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Psychology Today Hit Piece Labels Conspiracy Thinking A Psychotic Illness
Psychologist Gartner fulfils the very criteria he levels at “conspiracy theorists” to claim their concerns are a product of mental instability
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, September 2, 2009
In an article entitled Dark Minds: When does incredulity become paranoia, Psychology Today writer John Gartner attempts to make the case that the concerns of “conspiracy theorists” are not based in reality but are a product of mental instability, while himself fulfilling every criteria for what he claims classifies such people as psychotics – ignoring evidence that contradicts his preconceptions while embracing the ludicrous “conspiracy theory” that powerful men and governments do not conspire to advance their power.
Probably somewhat upset about how our coverage of the dangers associated with the swine flu vaccine has contributed to a global revolt against mass vaccination programs being readied, Psychology Today’s gravy train of big pharma advertisers will no doubt be pleased to see the publication wastes no time in savagely attacking radio host and film maker Alex Jones, dispensing with any notion of fairness and zealously going after him as early as the second paragraph.
The nature of this vicious hit piece (PDF link) is confirmed when Gartner laments that Jones refused to provide him with phone numbers for friends he grew up with, presumably frustrated that he couldn’t dig up some dirt from an old girlfriend to throw into the mix of what is nothing more than a personal attack on Jones’ character, and a complete departure from any debate about the issues Jones covers on his radio show, which is the phony pretext that Gartner used in order to secure the interview in the first place.
Gartner has trouble believing that eugenicists occupy powerful positions, even in the aftermath of the John P. Holdren story when Obama’s top science advisor was exposed as having advocated forced abortion, sterilization and mass drugging of the public. Despite the fact that we sent Gartner dozens of pieces of evidence for his article, he cites a single national security memorandum and dismisses it as “a bland policy report”.
Mr. Gartner was obviously too lazy to read the entire document and/or too stupid to comprehend it.
The document to which he refers is National Security Study Memorandum 200, a 1974 geopolitical strategy document prepared by Rockefeller’s intimate friend and fellow Bilderberg member Henry Kissinger, which targeted thirteen countries for massive population reduction by means of creating food scarcity, sterilization and war.
The document, declassified in 1989, identified 13 countries that were of special interest to U.S. geopolitical objectives and outlined why population growth, and particularly that of young people who were seen as a revolutionary threat to U.S. corporations, was a potential roadblock to achieving these objectives. The countries named were India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia and Colombia.
The study outlined how civil disturbances affecting the “smooth flow of needed materials” would be less likely to occur “under conditions of slow or zero population growth.”
“Development of a worldwide political and popular commitment to population stabilization is fundamental to any effective strategy. This requires the support and commitment of key LDC leaders. This will only take place if they clearly see the negative impact of unrestricted population growth and believe it is possible to deal with this question through governmental action,” states the document.
The document called for integrating “family planning” (otherwise known as abortion) with routine health services for the purposes of “curbing the numbers of LDC people,” (lesser-developed countries).
The report shockingly outlines how withholding food could be used as a means of punishment for lesser-developed countries who do not act to reduce their population, essentially using food as a weapon for a political agenda by creating mass starvation in under-developed countries.
“The allocation of scarce PL480 (food) resources should take account of what steps a country is taking in population control as well as food production,” states the document.
Later in the document, the idea of enforcing “mandatory programs” by using food as “an instrument of national power” is presented.
This is the quintessential example of powerful men conspiring to use eugenicist policies in order to advance their power. Gartner’s lazy claim that the document is just a “bland policy report” is manifestly absurd.
This isn’t a conspiracy theory, this isn’t a “connection” that we invented out of fresh air to make our brains release dopamine, as Gartner’s bizarre hit piece goes on to claim, it’s there in black and white, but Gartner has either failed to read the whole document or has performed his own act of psychological gymnastics and summarily dismissed the evidence because it does not fit with his preconceptions – the very charge he levels at “conspiracy theorists” in his hit piece.
Gartner says conspiracy theorists are “immune to evidence” and yet he displays that very trait in this instance.
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It isn’t long before Gartner regurgitates the tired old cliche about people needing to create conspiracy theories and some semblance of order to make themselves feel better in a chaotic world. He even claims that “finding meaning in sometimes insignificant events” creates dopamine, an overproduction of which can lead to schizophrenia. Of course, none of this has any relation whatsoever to powerful people planning the future of the planet that they rule (a ridiculous “conspiracy theory” in Gartner’s mind), but Gartner’s objective isn’t to disprove the claims of Alex Jones in a logical manner, it’s to denounce the messenger using convoluted and ham-fisted psychological rhetoric that isn’t even applicable.
But what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The greatest purveyors of myths and “conspiracy theories” about political events have and always will be authorities and governments. Scientists who recently investigated why so many people believed the falsehood that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 found that Americans wanted to believe that Iraq was connected to 9/11 because it helped them make sense of current reality. How is that any different from the claim that conspiracy theorists invent connections to help them better comprehend current events?
Beyond the accusations of who invents what to justify their worldview – conspiracists and debunkers alike – are the facts. History is littered with political conspiracies that actually happened and were not the manifestation of unstable minds.
Indeed, history tells us that the bigger the lie, the bigger the conspiracy, the more likely the masses are to believe it, and governments throughout the ages have harnessed this trick to pursue their agendas since time began. In such an environment, those who aggressively question the official authodoxy, or “conspiracy theorists” as Gartner labels them, should be welcomed as a key bulwark against the kind of tyranny and oppression that has blighted the world at numerous intervals in the past, aided in no small part by the quack psychologists in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany that classified skepticism of the state as a mental illness, an implication Gartner regurgitates in his hit piece.
It was not deception on behalf of “conspiracy theorists” that convinced Germans to follow Adolf Hitler, the lies that built the Nazi tyranny came directly from the state. It was not the beliefs of “conspiracy theorists” that hoodwinked Americans into thinking Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, that particular “big lie” came directly from the lips of the President of the United States.
“We’re all conspiracy theorists to some degree,” writes Gartner and never has a truer word been spoken. Gartner has to be the biggest conspiracy theorist of all because he seems to hold the ludicrous belief that powerful men do not get together and plan things, which in Gartner’s mind is a viewpoint indicative of a psychotic mind.
As is always the case, the debunker, in this case Gartner, completely fails to grasp that his stance is completely out of touch with modern day sentiment. He poses as some kind of authority figure casting down his disdain upon the bedraggled minority of “conspiracy theorists” below, yet he is in the minority. It is Gartner’s twilight zone world of angelic governments who commit no sin except within the twisted minds of dangerous psychotics, in light of admitted conspiracies that continue to be exposed on an almost daily basis – the phony terror alerts, the cronyism of the banker bailout, the torture scandal, that represents a genuine display of psychotic thinking.
Gartner is really scraping the barrel when he unearths a 7-year-old incident about a disturbed man attempting to enter Bohemian Grove carrying guns in an effort to portray conspiracy theorists, an in particular Alex Jones, as a physical danger to society.
In reality, the kind of warped thinking that Gartner embraces, that skepticism of government is a form of mental illness, is one of the most dangerous threats to a free society that ever existed.
As we have seen before in history, the designation of political opinions deemed to be antagonistic towards or even merely skeptical of the state as a psychological illness is a hallmark of tyranny.
In the former Soviet Union, psikhushkas — mental hospitals — were used by the state as prisons in order to isolate political prisoners, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally. The Soviet state began using mental hospitals to punish dissidents in 1939 under Stalin.
According to official Soviet psychiatry and the Moscow Serbsky Institute at the time, “ideas about a struggle for truth and justice are formed by personalities with a paranoid structure.” Treatment for this special political schizophrenia included various forms of restraint, electric shocks, electromagnetic torture, radiation torture, lumbar punctures, various drugs — such as narcotics, tranquilizers, and insulin — and beatings. Anne Applebaum, author of Gulag: A History, indicates that at least 365 sane people were treated for “politically defined madness,” although she surmises there were many more.
These kind of “treatments” for the “mental illness” of being a conspiracy theorist or merely being skeptical of government were brutally enforced by quack psychologists in both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, a fact that Gartner, trapped in his bubble of delusion and ignorance of any evidence that contradicts with his preconceptions, claimed to be completely unaware of when we confronted him with it.
Quack psychologists like Gartner who define distrust of authorities and alternative explanations for the “official story” put out by governments who have repeatedly proven themselves to be liars as a form of psychosis are themselves as mentally unstable as their much vaunted peers – people like the insane cocaine addict Sigmund Freud and the Nazi child abuser Alfred Kinsey – and represent a far greater danger to society than the “conspiracy theorists” that they so readily seek to denigrate.
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September 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
when they insult you, you win.
This is quite the compliment Alex, keep up the good work.
Stuntman Mike Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Wow…I can’t see the strings that operate this puppet…Hmmmm, is this some new design?
This guy is the perfect candidate for Dr $ when he retires!
What a load of crap!
http://www.myspace.com/bigwheelstuntshow
John D. Gartner Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Hi folks, John D. Gartner here for non-existent-Prison-Planet.com.
You know Alex Jones is crazy. There’s no such thing as the New World Order.
It’s all lies, lies.
If you are also delusional like Alex – maybe you care about the US Constitution, you hate Corruption, you believe in Law, Order and Integrity, you might need to see me….I can even prescribe some cool meds for you from my sponsors:
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“Dr. Gartner has been practicing psychotherapy and teaching psychiatrists at Johns Hopkins University Medical School for twenty years. His two areas of specialization include: Borderline Personality Disorder. Borderlines have problems with impulsivity, mood swings, unstable relationships, and self destructive behaviors including self injury. While most clinicians prefer not to see these difficult patients, Borderline Personality is treatable. Though the work is intensive, long term, and often rocky, it is also satisfying, helping to turn around dangerously chaotic lives.
Bipolar Disorder. Because of his widely known book, The Hypomanic Edge: The Link Between (a Little) Craziness and (a lot of) Success in America, Dr. Gartner is one of the most recognized names in the world in the study of hypomania, a mildly manic temperament often found among creative driven achievers
Hypomania is also often found in people who suffer from some form of depression, in which case they do qualify them for a psychiatric diagnosis of cyclothymia or bipolar disorder, type II. Gartner treats people at all levels of the bipolar spectrum from classic manic depressive disorder to the high functioning hypomanic CEO.”
LRRP 1968 Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
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hardtruth Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Does Dr. Gartner have a cure for the shit you have for brains.
File and Claw Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Gartner, you are a bonified fucking schmuck. You lousy turds just enjoy trying to play god. You have been duped. Shove your psychobable bullshit up your ass, books and all. You are wise in your own eyes and nothing more douchebag. You bastards are responsible for ruining more lives with your theoretical nonsense than anyone else on earth. You bastards should be strung up like dead catfish along an old country fence. Bring your shit (your rhetorical recanned marxist lies) asshole, I will chew you up and spit your nonsensical ass out. You sheltered punk bitch, mother fucker. Grow some testicles. You should be embarrassed for not realizing that your modern pseudo-education has put you in a position to fuck peoples lives up more than any other “profession ” on earth. I would piss on you if you were on fire. Choke on your dildo fag.
Ali Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Hey asshole,
You’re RETARDED. You actually think this BULLSHIT of yours is gonna PULL OFF? FAGGOT, you’re WORSE than the BANKERS.
I bet your daddy fucked his sister and had you. An IMBRED monkey like you has one missing gene, and your MARKED for just that.
You couldn’t tell a jackass if one BIT YOU.
At LEAST those fuckers pull a better stunt.
Only if your buddies in the government paying you big time, can you live now. I DON’T think anybody’s coming to you now.
Novac Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 pm
This is the same science that claims it is perfectly natural for men to love boys.
and man came from apes
USMC Grunt Vet Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:51 pm
@ John D. Gartner….. WOW Dr Gartner….. ur my neighbor….figures ur out of Baltimore…u fuckin Baltimoron……..hey Dr Gartner i guess all these experiments are just crazy right…..
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U STUPID FUCKING SIMPLE MOTHERFUCKER……WASH UR HAIR NEXT TIME U GET INTERVIEWED U GREASY HAIRED CRETIN SHILL
John D. Gartner The Jewish Pyscho Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:32 am
Gartner’s book about Eastern European Jews and their mental illness. How does he know so much about them?
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John D. Gartner The Jewish Pyscho Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 am
http://books.google.com/books?.....mp;f=false
Love Will Always Win Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:08 am
here’s the e-mail i sent:
Hey Mr. Gartner. A true scientist never stops attempting to dis-confirm their theories while maintaining a consistent belief in the possibility that the current results are accurate. As a psychologist in training, I am well aware that the very nature of our field is to make connections that others have not. In fact, that sums up all of science. So, I guess all psychologists are “conspiracy thinkers.” Your refusal to make connections when they are so blatant exposes you as a fraud or an incredibly feeble minded creature. You are the biggest conspiracy theorist of all. You believe Alex Jones conspires with millions of listeners to create false stories about the government. You sir, are the one with the dark mind. Try going out and appreciating the magic and wonder of the sunshine and all of natures inventions. There is enough joy to go around for everyone. Your behavior is a disgrace to the field. Make sure you pass this along to Obama’s “fishy” line.
zman Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 am
http://www.psychologytoday.com.....ychologist
Psycho-quack Gartner is a cheerleader and groupie for the Democrat criminals who are now in charge. Check out his article “The Amazing Emanuel Brothers”. You just can’t make stuff like this up.
Kahoneez Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
So let me this right when we hear GEORGE BUSH SR. say he’s hoping for a “NEW WORLD ORDER” , in his address to congress , he was just joking , because he SAID IT , so I guess he’s delusional too ?
So when devout Communist Gorbachev mentioned the exact words ” new World Oder ” as desire to to create it , he is delusional ?
The CFR advocates a NEW WORLD ORDER when the hater of democracy Richard Haass says ” SOVEREIGNTY needs to be ceded ” for economic growth or even to receive aid for catastrophes . etc etc.
WHAT THIS IS , is a full out assault on Truth Tellers , similar to the Missouri Enemies List , not only going after people who confront authoritarianism , with fabricated criminal activity , now the next logical step for them is to use Psychology to FABRICATE psychological disorders WHY , Because THEY FEAR OUT MOVEMENT !
THE FEAR OUR MOVEMENT ! And the have collaborators in EVERY field ready at their disposal , so we can expect anybody wearing Camouflage is a ” terrorist ” or drives a black car or the obvious one anybody that listens to Alex Jones .
Smity Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:18 am
Good article Dr. Gartner. Folks, people SAY A LOT OF THINGS…As a fellow student of the “Priestcraft” of psychology, I can say many of you have waaaayyy to much time on your hands. If your going to give this drivel serious consideration, check the CONTEXT in which these things are said and simple words that are left out of “quotes”, THEN maybe the fog will start to lift.
Case in point:
Q: What happened to the “false flag event” that was supposed to occur after President Obama was installed into office?
A: IT DIDN”T HAPPEN
Q: Why?
A: Because NO ONE said it was going to happen. It was a HYPOTHETICAL situation. Pay attention to words lif “IF”, “COULD”, etc. This doesn’t mean “WILL”.
If you choose to continue in this way of life; make an appointment with Dr. Gartner or a therapist of your choosing who will write a script for some of those FANSTASTIC meds adverstised by the sponsors of Psychology Today. (Hurry and you can get 61% off the cover price for a 1 year subscription…although, the 3 year seems to be the best deal)
Minstry of Plenty Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Alex Jonesers are getting the hat trick they know you are revolting against the flu shot so they are giving the true vaccine to the followers then they will chem trail you right wingers with the swine flu ya pigs that fly swine flu. They will name it the Teddy Kennedy vaccine to make you feel comfortable hell if he wasnt a pig. Interesting times
Bio Suit Bob Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Hey at ease on Baltimore Fort Mchenry kicked Rothschild Bankers ass. War of 1812
Star Spangled Banner. Battle of North Point. He does not represent Baltimore totally just the Freaky shrink side. That does not know anything. Battle of Fort McHenry. DC
was burned by the British.
Jis Lunfird Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I know I’m psycho. Mommy Thinks so too.
BornAgainst Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:49 am
It says it all here….told by the profesionals…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b30iwhEw9ho
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Teodoro Leon III Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
how can we send Gartner an email??????
John Gartner now writes a regular blog at Psychology Today. To visit the blog click here
http://johngartner.com/
http://johngartner.com/contact/contact.aspx
email: jg@johngartner.com
or as Dave(1:18) found out…
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EMAIL him at the link below:
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Teodoro Leon III Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Damn…they were hacking real time…but I got the letter sent to both addresses.
He can now analyze me for free and maybe honor me with an article dedicated to me!lol
Here’s what I sent him…should give him plenty to chew and stew…
Desperate and scared are you and your Masters(liars and deceivers) to resort to these tactics.But it’s the Nature of your Father.Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.The Cremation of Care is impotent and meaningless.
Watch and repent.For I AM and have been sent to declare liberty to the captives…including you,John.
I don’t believe that you are ignorant.
You are complicit,knowingly,willingly,feloniously.
We will follow the money trail and prove you the sellout and traitor that you are .
Made complicit with and by Mammon.Watch your Masters sell you out,for you are eligible too for their agenda.Proven by your ability to lie,manipulate and slander…not to be trusted.
Even you,John,Moloch wants to immolate.
romanmel Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Psy-wiz reporter Gartner is a good example of what happens when you put the inmates in charge of the insane asylum. Obviously the boy has had too much floridated water or has been over puffing the weed…just a tad short on the ‘ol motivational/intellectual scale, I’d say.
asshole Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
awww so cute
the skank alter boy and their manufactured vomit
“It is also important for the Religions,Governments, Miltary & State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any ‘conspiracy theory of history;’ for a search for ‘conspiracies’ means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds.”
–Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State
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September 2nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
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airborne Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Psychology , is a government program for thought process to control all the sheep , if you are not a good little sheep take these pills and see the doctor , you must think like the way we want you to , me are your master and you are our slave !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
william b travis Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 am
this gartner guy certainly looks like a kook to me
did you notice that 1000 mile stare?
Love Will Always Win Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 am
everyone. print this. go to borders. insert.
evo Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:33 am
Agree with first poster. The minute you are insulted it displays their own frustration and judgment. But I dont blame them in feeling this way, they only know what they learned from the universities who are sponsored by the drug companies..
http://www.collective-evolutio.....diversion/
BornAgainst Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:56 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b30iwhEw9ho
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm
We really all should go on ritilan (hope I spelled it right), then we could agree with this “Dr.” who is obviously educated well beyond his intelligence.
John Gartner Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Hey,its not my fault that the government pays so much better for people like me to flap our lips than the taxpayer ever could. Hold on and brace yourselves,the next line of bullshit is already on its way.
QUANTUMMONKEYBUTT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Gartner: “Actually, The Shit For My Brains Is Not Only A Useful Fertilizer, But It Provides All The 8 Essential Amino Acids Necessary For Good Health, Quack, Quack…So Eat It Up!!!”
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rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Yes YES! We are all sufering from a mental disease. It has nothing to do with the complete lack of jet wreckage on the Pentagon lawn, a virtual Croquet carpet of unmolested green devoid of scars, plowed earth, wreckage, bodies, luggage, or anything else that spells “Jet Crash”. YES! We’re all NUTS because we didn’t believe what was happening before our eyes with the WTC. The collapse made no sense in the scheme of what happened. A smoky oxygen-starved fire that firemen declared “almost out” caused the greatest building since The Pyramids colapse like a deck of cards in the breeze? Yeah, WE’RE CRAZY. Crazy like a FOX. This deal resembles nothing more than typical Soviet Union policy on dissenters. Declare them “crazy” and send them to a nuthouse Gulag for “treatment”. Preferably a Lobotomy. Has America really fallen this far? Yes it has! Today, Psychiatric treatment is the reserve of drug pushers. It’s all about selling chemicals to the “depressed masses”. As if chemical lobotomies are going to help your tortured souls.
rudibr Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
The quantity of drugs Id need right now to shut my eyes would make me OD.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
We wrote an article cataloging those myths a few years ago; it seems appropriate to post it in response to the hit piece:
http://www.gatecreepers.com/en.....y-theorie/
Beavis Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Exactly. We believe two or more people conspired to cover up a crime. Hence we are conspiracy believers.
We who say nay. Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I read the memorandum, and I remember that the above article alleged that Memo 200 advocated population reduction through food scarcity, war, and sterilization. The memo said that overpopulation could cause problems with food scarcity. The memo even suggested ways to make food more plentiful. As for war, the memo said that overpopulation would make war more likely to happen, but I could not see the memo as advocating war to reduce the population. The memo mentioned the East Pakistan-Bangladesh war as arising from problems with overpopulation. Then there was the soccer riot war between Honduras and El Salvador mentioned by the memo, which was caused Salvadoran migrants occupying vacant Honduran land in the jungles. The Honduran felt invaded so they too up arms against the Salvadoran refugees. This a recounting of history, not an advocacy for war. The high cabal may well want to use war was a way of reducing the pop., but the memo does advocate it as a method. War was mentioned as reducing population in the memo, but the conclusion was that it would not be enough to reduce overpopulation. The general tone of the memo was to reduce the pop. by birth control, family planning, and abortion, but I did not see any mention of forceful compulsion.
I do see some mention of war in regard to natural resources.
In developing countries, the burden of population factors, added to others, will weaken unstable governments, often only marginally effective in good times, and open the way for extremist regimes. Countries suffering under such burdens will be more susceptible to radicalization. Their vulnerability also might invite foreign intervention by stronger nations bent on acquiring political and economic advantage. The tensions within the Have-not nations are likely to intensify, and the conflicts between them and the Haves may escalate.
So I suppose it is a threat by implication that if a nation with overpopulation installs a radical government, then developed countries may invade it for its natural resources. So I suppose that is a partial point made by the4 above article. I wish there was more thought put into the artice, because if you are going to make a point by referring to the memo, then please have some sort of direct quote from the memo to back contentions in regard to war, food scarcity and sterilization. This direct quote should include a “chapter and verse” way of looking it up. I might have missed it but I did not get much help in way a page number or chapter and paragraph citing. I tried looking for it. Could prisonplanet please give me a specific page and paragraph top look at. Memo 200 is very long to read, and well the burden of proof is on prison planet to provide a well detailed cite. I learned in college that I could not refer to quote or source just by saying its in for example “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” by Edward Gibbon. What’s the f’ing page number? It’s just not profeesional.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
great article, Paul, except you show your true colors and lose credibility by terming Alfred Kinsey a Nazi. This when Hitker was briefed for several months in the early 30s in Porton Down, Wiltshire UK by Brit Intel, when he was bankrolled by Warbutg Bank US, facilitated by Bush Grandpa, when he was fuelled by Standard Oil US, and with tank engines by Ford Motors. Now we have another contradiction, your good guys starved and froze to death up to 11 million Germans in open camps after WW2, firebombed Dresden, a hospital and elderlys city, straffed the escapees next day, straffed food convoys to the slave labour camps, nuked civilian Hiroshima and Nagasaki…need we go on?
Yes Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Yes go on, by all means
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
war is hell
John Gartner Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Buddy,you need serious help.People like you,thats why people like me exist.Im telling you,your bs is thicker than mine,and thats saying nothing really.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Well then they better start putting the Lawyers in the Shrink Palace for writing the LAW concerning Conspiracies. It is a REAL LAW. Plus some of the OH so GREAT SHRINKs are in alittle potential trouble. Can you say Criminal Malpractice. ha,ha,ha the TRUTH is coming out about some of their actions. wink, wink, wink so they are just covering their asses.
Stay tuned folks There is a LAW on the BOOKS concerning CONSPIRACIES. he,he,he
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
GARTNER IS JUST ANOTHER NWO SEAT WARMING SHILL FOR THE STATE RUN MEDIA.
CONSPIRACY IS AN INTERESTING WORD. QUITE SIMPLY A CONSPIRACY IS JUST A PLAN. SOME PLANS ARE GOOD AND SOME BAD. IN FACT THE RUSSIANS DONT TAKE A SHIT WITHOUT MAKING A PLAN. IN WARFARE AND GAME THEORY (WHICH I HAVE STUDIED FOR MANY YEARS) THE PRIMARY SCIENCE IS TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBABILITIES AND POSSIBILITIES OF YOUR ADVISORY AND DETECT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE WHICH ATTACK THEY WILL EMPLOY. THIS IS HOW ONE DESIGNS A COUNTER STRATEGY AND THEN ATTEMPS TO CONCEAL YOUR MOVE FROM YOUR OPPONENT. YOU GARTNER HAVE ENGAGED IN A CONSPIRACY TO DECEIVE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. HANG IT UP. YOU ARE AN AMATUER AND NO MATCH FOR ANY ADE EXPERT.
THIS IS TRUTH
RMV
Dave Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Conspiracy is a necessary part of any corrupt system. You cannot have organized corruption without people conspiring, obviously things are planned out in advance that’s how politics works. So to say there are no conspiracies in the world is like saying there’s no corruption which is a joke. Just in past years we’ve seen people like Scooter Libby be arrested for conspiratorial actions.
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
when I see CAPS I scroll man
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
When youre getting your ass kicked trying to debate the facts on all these conspiracy theories the only thing left to do is to attack the character of the people presenting the information. I believe one has to be somewhat delusional in the first place to want to be a psychiatrist.
FreindlyNeighborhoodinsurgent Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Truth be told. I was on probation awhile back fr a D.U.I. and had to do probation and all that fun stuff including a visit to a Counselor for an eval.. Luckily my probation officer was “awake” to all the crap going on and he advised me”DO NOT BRING UP any of the conspiracy stuff psychologists are instructed to label you as a delusional schizo”. Guess we see, he was right..
And I played the dumb sheep at my eval,lol and PASSED..
Sick of Crime Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Yeah, he needs to be put ON A LIST. Lying scumbag shrink who thinks he’s so smart can go to the red list FEMA camp first.
Jim Shores Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Sick, We need our own enemies list so we will not fail to bring justice to all those who have enabled treason and theft of our holdings. What should the penalty be for those who obviousy conspire to cause massive pain, problems and sickness to millions of innocent people? I think the penalty should be applied based on the number of victims. The corrupt media should hang next to the treasonous demons in mass.
Beavis Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Don’t you mean NUTS?
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Really laugh your ass off Big Time as these LOW IQ doctors. A Bio Chemist will blow a Shrink out of the Water any day anytime. Sing with me the Elevated Liver Enzyme Song.
He might need a really good Lawyer. He might be doing some JAIL time. he, he,he,he
He is right Ben Laden did NOT Conspire to attack America.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
“The countries named were India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia and Colombia.”
Makes sense…them’s the “breeders”.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
When does delusional thinking turn into professional incompetence?
Squalene Suzi and Freaky Shrinks Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Thinking the exact same thing. Delusions of Grandure and a Total Know it All. Lookee
I am great it says so cause I went to College and got a Degree a PHD whoopeeee.
He better go back an get some Degrees.
Jim Shores Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Arrogance with ignorance begets disgrace. Doctors, scientists, media, because of what they have produced, along with politicians have all experienced a degraded image. I have little respect for the aforementioned.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Psychology is junk science, Doctors only practice, and provide proof that practice makes perfect is a big lie
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
In a nutshell, the CIA’s only real function is as the bribery Dept. of the USA. That is what they are trained to do. Think about it. We rule the Earth because we control the money. The CIA has no public oversight. Everything they do is “TOP SECRET”. They are funded by black money. Lets all stop being ignorant and see that any people gruoped together by something other than love and peace are a mob, plain and simple and do not have your best interest at heart.
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
you been spammin
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I wonder who went through his trash can and what they found?
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Dark Minds: When does incredulity become paranoia…Indeed…When does delusional thinking become professional incompetence?
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
The people that are labeled as “conspiracy theorists” are people who think outside the box, and have free thinking, this is something that people like this psychologist and our government are fighting to prevent(free thought), if you don’t submit to there enslavement they will make up all types of disinformation and feed it to you, the good thing about this is the free thinking Americans won’t buy into this psychologists and the governments delusional ways, the bad part is, a lot of so called Americans have already submitted to allowing the government to think for them(enslaved thought), so actually a “conspiracy theorist” has his own mind to come to his or her on conclusions, but an already enslaved American looks towards there government for there conclusions.
Beavis Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
This has been going on for years, especially in schools. Where better place to start brainwashing ? In a few generations – if we last that long – there will be no conspiracy theorists or dissenters of any kind, the job will be done.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
As a person who loves psychology and have studied the subject for many years now. My main complaint is that many so called psychologist don’t incorporate enough science in there theories as can be seen here. The problem is that you cannot make a true control setting to adhere to true scientific testing. Therefore, when many psychologists make a hypothesis, they usually make it without really understanding all the details and influences of the problem or issue they are addressing. This results in them more often then not basing their hypothesis, more on a judgement (judgement being a opinion created when not all the facts are understood or available) than on explicit facts. Since we are talking about thought process and not something that is easily measured (i.e. distance, temperature physics stuff) the unknown is usually more then the known. Hence more opinion than fact. This is not a short coming of the person, its the nature of psychology. So this would be true of any psychology theory.
However, due to this fact many pyschologist, rather than admit this and make sure their theories are tested thouroughly and extra precautions are made to account for other possible influences or causes, they often do the opposite and ignore any evidence that does not agree with their theory or just make wild claims that coincendences are proof. this why there are alot of “quacks” in this field. They don’t properly understand or practice the scientific method. As a science lover who has a interest in psychology it anoyying as hell.
What I am saying is don’t take this guy very seriously. At the same time please don’t use him as an example of psychology being all junk science, either. There are “quacks” in all human professions. Psychologist just have a wider berth to spread their BS around, so many more professionals in the field, often get away with rediculous claims.
dave Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
well said
wildcat Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Best comment so far
The closest experiment psychologists can do in the real world, is to do one of those experiments where they create an artificial incident in a setting, then get statements from witnesses. Even then, since is that every witness will see the situation from a different perspective, each of them will have a different set of statements based upon what they saw first. All of their statements will be correct from their viewpoint (using remote headmounted cameras), but will conflict when seen together.
Andrew Jackson Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Not so fast on the “few bad eggs” theory of the psychology “enterprise”. As with the so-called “disciplines” of economics, political “science”, “education”, “Medicine”, “Law”, and “banking”, each of which has precious little in its modern form to do with the correct practice of what it purports to be, the modern “Psychology” edifice is a similarly freakish construct of the bastards, warped and paid for over the last century with oodles of funny-money.
Dave McGowan: Lies My Psychology Professors Taught Me
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.co.....apter%2030
We who say nay. Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:53 am
I know that if you poorly source your claims, and make a person labor beyond reason, then they are going to be angry with you. It so happens that if you piss off a psychologist, he will call crazy, and make a thesis of it. It is the responsibility of the person making the claim to make the source for his argument easy to look up.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Psychologists are terrible judges of character. Freud did not believe the Germans were serious about annhilating the Jews. Freud barely escaped the holacaust. His daughter practically had to drag him out of Austria. The psychologists will be the last to understand the nature of what humanity is facing.
The Inquisitor Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Freud had to have his nose operated on three times due to damage from his coke habit.
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
jes like Roger Clinton
American Dummy Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:26 pm
There was no holocaust (holohoax) ever in Germany,they were slave labor camps and the ones with connections went to Palestine where they could kill/murder Arabic Semites.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Psychologists have been part of the brotherhood of darkness for decades. Psychiatrists too.
““Lying is an important part of social life, and children who are unable to do it are children who may have developmental problems.”
this quote…
Dr. Michael Lewis of the New Jersey Robert Wood Johnson Medical School on NBC’s “Today Show” (January 22, 1990)
(Michael Lewis, Ph.D. is University Distinguished Professor of Pediatrics and Psychiatry, and Director of the Institute for the Study of Child Development at Robert Wood Johnson Medical School – University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey. He also is Professor of Psychology, Education, Cognitive Science, and Biomedical Engineering at Rutgers University .)
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
There are NO Operations or Projects from the olden days. No Northwoods or USS Liberties.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
This guy looks like one of those ‘thinks he’s part of the system’ yuppies that Alex is always talking about.
The idea that powerful people DON’T conspire is nuts. Why wouldn’t they? No one would ever go broke betting on the ability of people to be willfully ignorant.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence and fulfills the duty to express the results of his thought in clear form.
Albert Einstein, quoted in New York Times, March 19, 1940
US (German-born) physicist (1879 – 1955)
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Alex shouldn’t waste his time talking to brainwashed agenda motivated morons like this idiot. I
listened to him defending himself on his radio show today, exposing how his comments were
twisted and distorted. In the future he should record the interview to prepare for the likely hit piece and replay the segment/s against reading the article. This would at least show how the MSM
is such a propaganda machine and help wake up the sheeple/DUH-UH-MUH-AIR-HEAD-SICK-INS.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
What can I say? An idiot leading a pack of morons.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
how can we send Gartner an email??????
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
When you know you have nothing to offer the world become a psych major.
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
hahahaha
shocked and awed Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
If that fact pisses you off you become a political science major
Andrew Jackson Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
And if *all* else fails, become an economist.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
HE IS AN EDUCATED IDIOT
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Aren’t people gonna get tired of being told what to think after a while? Like the expression ‘thou doth protest too much’ applies here, if I were unaware of these issues and were reading about them for the first time in this magazine I’d wonder why this guy is such a zealot about people having to believe the way he does and wonder if he was trying to cover something up.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
This guy is “imagining” he is a Psychologist.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 pm
never mind I found it.
Office
6525 N Charles Street
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Baltimore, Maryland 21204
Contact Information
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EMAIL him at the link below:
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September 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 pm
be respectful and polite.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I think they are a all a bunch of nazis, and for those who like to hang out around this website and say it’s all conspiracy, why don’t YOU take the time and research the facts……hmmm????
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Americas Know it alls are getting dumper and Dumber. The Experts are getting more and more stupid and babble crap just for the sake of Talking. They like to here themselves ralk read one half ass book and then Know it all. Just talk talk with out really knwoing anything
Plus most really important things have already been said. 100 or 200 years ago. Then the Elite step in and wreck everything. I always find it a JOKE when I here some NEW Brain wow
already read it years ago but the youngsters have not so it sounds NEW and Great to them.
I still remember Reagan and Energy Independence 28 years ago and every President since
ENERGY INDEPENDENCE yea sure. Every President said Energy Independence yea.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Conspiracy theories are from the curiosity to learn more about the truth and they can provide hypothesis.
Let’s say, if some researchers did not have the conspiracy of Neanderthals as not the ancestors of Homo Sapience, they could not even try to prove that their DNA were different from human beings. Those who changed the fact about Neanderthals would be instead sent to mental hospital.
Conspiracy theories are just hypothesis without proper evidences enough to become facts. I think the ones who only believe the truth they are told and learned in schools are just plain dumbs. “Oh, it’s not right because my teacher said…” “It’s not true because our president said so..” Yes, being intelligent can be seen as crazy from the ones who lucks ability to think more. I think Gartner can use the question, “does god exist?” to go over what he thinks. God’s existence is just a conspiracy theory as no one can prove or provide evidences. That’s why psychologists nor psychiatrists should not even judge things that are belong to different diciplines like philosophy or theology. He can claim all philosophers and theologists to be psychotic because they believe in conspiracy theories that are not stable enough and scholars inventing new theories..
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
By definition, conspiracies occur each and every day. All that it takes is two or more people to conspire to commit an illegal act for a conspiracy to exist. A theory is an educated belief as to how something works, or occurs. Right? Well, conspiracies occur each and every day in private lives, in corporate affairs, as well as governmental affairs. It is a wonder that there are not more conspiracy theories than there are. I doubt that there is a theory for every actual conspiracy that exists? By the way, aren’t police detectives just conspiracy theorists when they attempt to solve a crime?
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
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September 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Everyone knows that in the future the evolution believers will discover time travel and plant their experiments of Dr. Monroe all in the past to prove their theories.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
It is nice when people voluntarily make it known that they have taken sides with the enemy.
Makes it a lot easier to define their numbers
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
They will say and do anything to get our guns!! And if they do we will have a health care program from hell.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Well, we must be making progress. This is awesome. Open a history book you crackpot. Power and control through fear is not a new concept.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Office
6525 N Charles Street
Suite 143
Baltimore, Maryland 21204
Contact Information
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EMAIL him at the link below:
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Reply
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Michael Vick should not be able to play professional football for what he did to those dogs!!!
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
But he’s so good at apologizing to high school auditorioums full of kids who would like to kill his sick ass
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I suppose the good news is that Alex Jones got a free psych evaluation. The bad news is that he hadn’t given his consent.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm
http://johngartner.com/
John Gartner, Ph.D.
is a psychologist and author living in Baltimore. He can be contacted at: jg@johngartner.com
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Baltimore IS D.C. This guy is SUCH a Troll..
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
MORE YELLOW JOURNALISM.THIS DUCHBAG WORKS AND GETS PAID BY THE DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
rAT Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
My favorite new TV show! Now EVERY law enforcement agency is part of the NEW GESTAPO, and every penny-ante crime is now a CRIME AGAINST THE STATE. Look at them gloat over a pound of ragweed.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
THIS SO CALLED PSYCHOLOGIST IS ONLY A AUTHOR AND A ASSISTANT TEACHER OF PSYCHOLOGY.EVERY ONE NEEDS TO EMAIL BOMB HIM.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
ALSO SHOULD ANAL BOMB HIM
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I have not read the entire article but this is probably psychological operation to do damage to your reputation. This activity has a history, Eustace Mullins, Ezra Pound and others that this space will not allow. Since the truth is larger than fiction and Alex draws attention to an otherwise flouridated public, the effort to prevent the truth from getting out is just another method for the “forces of evil” to attempt to attack you. What is so outrageous is that the news from the corporate owned media is something that sounds like science fiction and does nothing but bite them in the ass. This stuff is more outrageous daily which must indicate that you are reaching increasing numbers of this flouridated public and they do not want you to be able to wake them up but somehow you must be succeeding. Keep the good work up and God bless you.
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Does he include in his assessment the hundreds of prosecutors around the U.S. who charge people with conspiracy every year? I mean, if you are going to claim that people who allege conspiracy theorist are nuts then you have to include in that assessment the most prolific conspiracy monger of all: The U.S. Government. There is even a law, the RICO statutes, designed to specifically attack conspirators.
Then there are the conspiracies that the government itself has actually admitted to. The Bay of Pigs invasion is probably the best known, but there are others. The Tuskeegee experiment on black syphilis patients for example, The Gulf of Tonkin scam, or Project Northwoods. And keep in mind, these are things that have been admitted to.
In fact, there are so many examples of governmental abuses, conspiracies by definition, that you would have to doubt the sanity of anyone that mindlessly trusted the government.
Social science is mostly bullshit anyway. Anyone anywhere can make up any specious bullshit argument they want if it sounds “sciencey” enough.
Perhaps we should counter with our own “psychological” diagnosis of people like Mr. Gartner. In fact, we can call it “The Gartner Syndrome.”
The Gartner Syndrome is a mental pathology where the poor sick soul actually believes, without evidence, that the government is trustworthy and honest.
This person harbors deep paranoid fantasies in which they see themselves as valiant defenders of a noble and caring government against wicked anti-government types who distrust the government for no good reason.
Thus we can see that the Gartner Syndrome is a combination of the “Hero Complex” with a “Vindication Complex” Thrown in for good measure.
For these people, the Government becomes a surrogate parent whom they seek love and approval from by positioning themselves as they valiant defender against the doubters who threaten their beloved “parent.”
There you go. See how easy that is? I just made that up in a few minutes sitting in my living room and I did it all without wasting time in college getting a useless psychology degree.
-Ken
Wez the Aussie Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I was going to post a comment, but after reading your’s, what else needs to be said? Thank You Ken. Wes
Inquisition Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
You really should become a psychologist.At least send your evaluation to him.It might help him.lol
Steve Williams Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Good one, Ken. Totally to the point. The hammer hitting the nail squarely on the head.
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Ten years ago I was a cop in Texas, we all thought Alex was crazy. He was listened to on 98.9 FM in Austin and talked about. We laughed when he got arrested. Well, I must apoligize, because we are not laughing anymore.
My hat is off to him. It takes a strong minded fella to put up with all the lies and theiving from our officials. To see our government become more and more suppresive against its own citizens. To know and believe that 9-11 was an inside job, murdering 1000’s of innocent people.
Alex you should have a labotomy done so science can figure out how you had NOT commited an act of violence on yourself or others or kept from going “nuts.”
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ALEX and THANKS FOR WAKING PEOPLE UP!
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
….but we can all plainly see that this technique has been used before. They always insist on things being “legal” or “established” first, then watch out!!!
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I was diagnosed! As an Asperger’s. I only found out that I’m a lifelong ‘aspie’ after I approached the shrinks complaining about my concerns about the deaths of people connected with the 9/11 Community. I may never have learnt about my ‘difference’ otheways. Just Remember the shrinks themselves are commonly recognised as the ones most in need of diagnosis.
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
I really appreciate both Ken and Bill K. for articulately and calmly expressing the truth. These are the comments we can show our “educated” brothers and sisters who still think the government has their best interest in mind. Ranting and raving is good but it turns some people off. Thanks again gentlemen!
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:56 pm
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller Sr.
American Patriot Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 am
the real joke is on them…
WE are the true new world order.
criminality and manipulation has failed. as right as they think they are.
we will have a one world nation, but only when WE decide what the rules are…
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
John Gartner took the BLUE PILL…….RECTALLY.
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I have a Bachelors degree in Psychology (not yet a Psychologist), and I’ve put a lot of thought into 9/11 conspiracies theories and others. I have to preface my personal opinion to stress the point that this an issue that could be argued, in psychological terms, from two sides. From one perspective, one arrives at the conclusion that people who believe conspiracy theories have issues with suspicion, paranoia, or perception of reality. From the other perspective, one concludes that those who reject “conspiracy theories” are suffering from cognitive dissonance (evidence is ignored because that would contradict one’s world view) or defense mechanisms, such as denial.
From simply talking to friends and family, I have seen both cases. For example, in conversations I would ask someone who does not believe in 9/11 conspiracies why the government does not simply release their confiscated video evidence of the 757 hitting the Pentagon. In effect, settling the issue for the sake of the public knowledge. Typically, people answer, “National security prevents its release.”, “The Pentagon doesn’t need to.”, or they are unsure. The problem is that there is a lack of evidence available to the public to support either side of this debate. To either believe the official story or an alternative theory without being provided necessary evidence is illogical. Mentally healthy people would want to know the truth, and in the case of 9/11 (event of global significance), they should demand it!
There is a significant difference between demanding the truth, and formulating theories. So when the 9/11 Commission claims that a 757 hit the Pentagon without providing evidence to the public, they too are formulating a theory from our perspective. When you hear of the 9/11 Truth Movement, you should understand that the crux of the movement is to seek the truth and that it is perfectly healthy behavior. Finally, there will inevitably be people that fall into the “nut” category, that believe that no planes hit the world trade center towers (however in the case of WTC7 this is true) or that aliens were involved. They are also creating theories of their own, but unlike the 9/11 Commission they do not have the credentials to do so. These people deserve to be proven wrong through debate and the use of the Scientific Method, and their failure should not reflect upon other socially beneficial movements.
Please do your part as a citizen of this country and take the time to research yourself. For example, watch a documentary and then try and debunk it. Have a debate with someone you know. Come to the decision on your own, and don’t let your peers or the media decide for you.
Dave Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Biggest smoking gun of 9/11 in my opinion: Israeli operatives witnessed setting up to film the attack and then celebrating as it happened, reported in NY Times and Fox News. They were there *prior* to attack and were employed by a front company for Mossad called Urban Moving Systems who’s owner fled to Israel just days after 9/11, abandoning the buisness. They also received a federal grant for half a million dollars, this moving company.
American Patriot Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 am
yessir.
just search ‘the five dancing israelis’
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Whether or not a conspiracy theorist or a ‘truther’ has a mental illness is a purely subjective (i.e. not objective) assessment. Therefore, it is impossible to say with any scientific certainty whether conspiracy theorists do, or do not, have mental problems.
I’m a Psychology Graduate myself (QMUC Edinburgh) and I have never heard of or read any papers ever that suggest conspiracy theorists are delusional. In fact, in my opinion a healthy scepticism about totally obvious media spin and lies is more likely to be a sign of intelligence.
My own pet theory is that you truthers are getting close to the mark, and so they are trying to smear you by saying you are insane – which is really quite silly as its obviously not true.
Keep up the good work chaps. you’ve got them worried.
Responder. Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Which is exactly why they often pen hit pieces such as this because they are worried.
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
One is trained from the beginning to separate the classes into groups…The lower class of man commits crimes against his fellow man and is usually guilty…The upper class commits the crime and is innocent till proven guilty…Government commits the crime and it is a Conspiracy!
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Psych. Today=Sussex Publishers. Massive media company, not an official intellectual body. there in the media business. CEO’s not a Dr. Funny there’ no info available about anything else. No board of directors, jsut all the different types of bullshit and propaganda they spew. I wonder if anyone on the Board of Directors for Sussex has a last name of Goebbels?
As if it would be so unfathomable that humanity could once again degenerate to that level again in a place where one would think it least possible, “The land of the free and home of the brave.” Doesn’t matter what they’re selling or who paying them to do it as long as there’s good profit in it
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Here is a conspiracy I found today. The AP put it out. The headline reads:
“Pfizer to pay record $2.3B penalty over promotions”
Some of the article says:
“Authorities said Pfizer’s salesmen and women created phony doctor requests for medical information in order to send unsolicited information to doctors about unapproved uses and dosages.” That is the worlds largest drug maker!
I just seem to think the swine flu thing is a conspiracy by drug makers to make money as well. Who benifits from 195 million shots? I’m sorry for proving the guys point. I have lost my mind. I don’t trust the bastards. See I’m getting paranoid schitzy. That dopamine sure feels good now. What was I saying? They got us by the balls. What if we refuse to take the shot and the people who got the shot live and the ones who didn’t die. I’m scared. I think I’m gonna get my swine flu shot now.
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Gee, Communist Russia was right to put dissidents in re-education camps for daring to question authority. I think they believe it is better to follow our dear leader’s dictates without asking questions.
patty brey, subscriber Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
child abuse is virtually legal in the USA, so is rape , kidnapping & murder of children esp. by the elites…that’s why they ARE NEVER prosecuted. Anybody still think we are not run by a Nazi child torturing elite?
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Cameron used a technique called the Page-Russell shock treatment, named after
the two British doctors who developed it. The victims would be given an initial
electric shock, followed by five to nine smaller ones, two or three times a day for up
to thirty days. Hospital workers at the time have reported that the screaming
echoed around the hospital. The ‘patients’ would try to escape from this horror.
Once this depatterning was completed and the victim thoroughly confused, a
helmet would be clamped on their heads and negative messages would be repeated
into the victim’s mind for maybe twenty hours a day. These messages would repeat
phrases like “My mother hates me, my husband hates me, I am a failure”, and so
on, using recordings of the victim’s own voice. Cameron would also wire their legs
and give them an electric shock after the completion of each message.
With the old personality now destroyed, the process would be used to build a
new one in Cameron’s image. And this, lest we forget, was funded by the CIA with
taxpayers’ money at the behest of Allen Dulles, the man who, with others,
controlled the Nuremberg War Trials that sentenced scores of lower-ranked Nazis to
death for doing far less than he and Cameron were doing. All of this continues in a
much more advanced way today. I have been told of mind control research of a
similar kind in some UK universities and if you know more, please tell me.
Most people have no idea how easy the law makes it for you to be imprisoned in
a mental institution. It really is so easy. A friend of mine who was going through a
traumatic spiritual awakening (he was seeing the world for what it really is) was
pressured by his family to agree to attend a private mental hospital. He chose to go
for their sake. But when he decided to leave the hospital after chatting with the
doctors, he was forcibly stopped. He was also forced to take drugs. What the staff of
that hospital were doing was perfectly legal. Once you agree to have treatment at
such a place, you lose all your rights to leave if the staff decide that you should not.
As the doctors at that level of the profession largely have no idea about the nature
of the psyche, despite being called ‘psychiatrists’, they can imprison you and force
you to take drugs to ‘treat’ quite natural phenomena. If we are not vigilant, the
excuse of ‘mental illness’ will be used to intern those who say they can
communicate with other frequencies ['schizophrenia'] and those who claim there is
a global conspiracy ['paranoia']. Someone like me who talks about both becomes a
‘paranoid schizophrenic’, which is exactly how they imprisoned dissenters in the
psychiatric hospitals of the Soviet Union.
Eventually, at the start of the Bush presidency, the CIA settled out of court with
nine of the victims of MKUltra for the largest sum of money possible without the
approval of the Attorney General. Another 69 are still battling for compensation.
This is not helped by the admission of Richard Helms, the CIA chief at the time of
Watergate, that he destroyed most of the MKUltra documents in 1973. What we are
looking at here is the sharp end of the policy to turn the human race from unique
and free-thinking expressions of creation into a herd of sheep and robots. It is a
combination of technology, engineered events, and control of both politics and
(crucially) the media. Behind it is the familiar roll call. The document Silent
Weapons For A Quiet War reveals the input of the Rockefeller Foundation in
funding research through Harvard University into the potential for computers to
control human thinking. The aim is to have physical money replaced entirely by
credit card electronic money, and then to replace credit cards and identity cards
with a microchip just under the skin. Intel Corporation was awarded a five-year
contract in 1994, to develop just such a device at its Rio Rancho, New Mexico,
facility. This chip would be linked to a global computer using the excuse that all
financial transactions had to be registered at the new world central bank. The
computer would know everything there is to know about us at all times and
would be able to send messages the other way, from the computer to us,
feeding us messages and programming our consciousnesses. Robots would
be exactly the word.
This prospect is nothing new. CIA psychologist Dr Jose Delgado said in 1966 th.
the day would come when brain control could be turned over to non-human
operators, by establishing two-way communication between the implanted brain
and a computer. In the 1970s, Sweden was stunned to hear that microchips were
being implanted into hospital patients without their knowledge, as part of a mind
control experiment. This was sanctioned by Olof Palme, the Bilderberger Prime
Minister of Sweden. The dangers are so potent and so obvious. As Senator Sam J.
Ervin, the head of a Senate subcommittee on behaviour modification, said in 1973:
“…behavioural technology…in the United States today touches upon the most basic
sources of individuality, and the very core of personal freedom. To my mind the most
serious threat…is the power this technology gives one man to impose his views and
values on another…If our society is to remain free, one man must not be empowered tc
change another man’s personality and dictate the values, thoughts, and feelings of
others.”18
Throughout the Silent Weapons document and the Elite philosophy in general,
we see the desire to do exactly that. We see the theme of the chosen elite controlling
the ’stupid herd’ in all areas of our lives. It starts with the children in the schools
and the young people in the universities. Get ‘em young and you have got them for
good. I never cease to wonder when I speak at universities how the majority of
students are already programmed to think like clones of the system by the age of
seventeen and eighteen. Their inability to think for themselves is quite stunning,
with very honourable exceptions. Silent Weapons For A Quiet War emphasises to its
own agents the importance of controlling what children and young people are told.
The teachers are trained to think in a certain way and to believe that the information
psychological fascism they are communicating is true. Even if they doubt it, the authorities insist that it is taught anyway. “If you don’t like it Mr or Mrs Teacher, get out and we will replace you with someone who will do as they are told.” As the rock group, Pink Floyd, say
in their well-known song, children are programmed by the education system to be
“Just another brick in the wall”. But how much debate goes on about these matters?
Teachers, parents, the teaching unions, and the politicians go on endlessly about the
funding of schools and the shortage of school books. Where is the concern about
what is actually taught in the schools and what is written in those books? And yet
there is no other subject on Earth that is more important than the programming of
the human mind. From that all else comes. The Silent Weapons document describes
the mind-controlling technique brilliantly. It says of the Quiet War:
“It shoots situations, instead of bullets; propelled by data processing, instead of grains
of gunpowder; from a computer, instead of a gun; operated by a computer programmer,
instead of a marksman; under the orders of a banking magnate, instead of a military
general. It makes no obvious noises, causes no obvious physical or mental injuries, and
does not obviously interfere with anyone’s daily social life.
“Yet it makes an unmistakable ‘noise’, causes unmistakable physical and mental
damage, and unmistakably interferes with daily social life, i.e., unmistakable to a trained
observer, one who knows what to look for. The public cannot comprehend the weapon,
and therefore cannot believe they are being attacked and subdued by a weapon.
“The public might instinctively feel that something is wrong, but because of the
technical nature of the silent weapon, they cannot express their feeling in a rational
way, or handle the problem with intelligence. Therefore, they do not know how to cry for
help, and do not know how to associate with others to defend themselves against it.
“When a silent weapon is applied gradually, the public adjusts/adapts to its presence
and learns to tolerate its encroachment on their lives until the pressure (psychological
via economic) becomes too great and they crack up. Therefore the silent weapon is a
type of biological warfare. It attacks the vitality, options, and mobility of the individuals
of a society by knowing, understanding, manipulating, and attacking their sources of
natural and social energy, and their physical, mental, and emotional strengths and
weaknesses.”
In others words, divide and rule, and introduce your global dictatorship via the
stepping-stones approach and few will realise what is really going on until it is too
late. In fact, many will even laugh at or condemn those who point out what is
happening. Well the readers of this book, and many others like it, do know what is
really going on. And if we are truly committed to a better world and to freedom of
thought and expression, the information is impossible to ignore. The work we all
have to do to break the hold the programmers have on so many human minds is
considerable, but it is perfectly achievable – and will be achieved – if we are
prepared to get involved. There is nothing more powerful than a human mind
determined to think and act for itself. Such a phenomenon is a manipulator’s
nightmare and, like everyone on this planet, you have that power.
You only have to use it.
David Icke – And The Truth Shall Set You Free, 21st Century Edition (hidden history of the power elite) (2004)
ooopppss that mkultra brain dead system repeater skank really dropped its mask
opppss and i forgot crazy i am *farts*
http://www.orwelltoday.com/movieconspiracy.shtml …. The opening scene of Conspiracy Theory presents a smorgasboard of theories that are prevalent among non-mainstream researchers – and about which the powers-that-be don’t want the masses to start thinking about – but which they themselves love sharing with their fellow conspirators. It’s like talking in code. For the discerning viewer there are large nuggets of truth amongst the obvious “wacko” stuff, but to the general masses these actual truths are discounted as being ridiculous because the characters who are uttering them have been discreditied, and the movie in which they are acting out is considered science fiction or comedy.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118883/ ….. Conspiracy Theory (1997)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH2GVwMIpNg …. A Clockwork Orange Resume or the interrogation scene
pathetic !!!!!!!!!!!!!
JG Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Very excellent –Thanks !! An important question is: How are we ever to get out from under the rule of the psychopaths and move on to a more favorable future — consciousness wise, and otherwise. Even if by some “miracle” all of the “dark siders” were to disappear simultaneously, who with a more “evolved” nature would replace them? Seemingly, the consciousness level on the planet is noticeably “low” across the board. And, even worse, those who will do “whatever it takes” to ascend to “wealth and power”, would more probably than not become the replacement “leaders”. I truly wonder where this species and planet are heading. I’d like to be optimistic, but i’m not.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
MEDICAL REPORT…….BREAKING NEWS……….MEDICAL REPORT……..BREAKING NEWS !!!
Congradulations to Atlanta Hosptial’s Dr. Huff for his successful “anal transplant” into patient Mr. Jim Lunsford. The 4 hour operation “ripped the ass” off Jim Lunsford and replaced it with a donor ass. The first donor ass was unuseable as it was removed from “Reconmarine”, who has no balls to begin with, and his ass was to “stinky” . Finally a donkey ass had to be used, and it looks like there was no sign of “rejection” of the ass, as Lunsford was married to one for 12 years.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Most often a theory is based on direct observation of people, events, etc… There is comfort in knowing that even the most highly educated, such as Mr.Gartner, are still in touch with the world of fantasy.
jerry Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 am
ya. itd be even crazier if the guy actually believed himself.
i do think that some people are that out of touch with reality, though.
the elites pick only the best sheep to do their bidding
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Ohhhhh my precious…. we thinks the doctor wants our ring. Noooooo he doesn’t … YES he does. Noooooo… Yesssss…. me thinks we should eat him all gone!!! Noooooo, nooooooooooo… that will only bring about martial law in middle earth you imbicil!!!! Who are you calling imbicil??? Well ME of course… Can we just nibble him a little??? A big toe??? Ohhhhhhh… I’m sooooooo hungry!!!
… Well, I got my dopamine fix for the day.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
the so called ‘mental health’ racket
is nothing more than a means of social control
until recently that was one of the few ways
to kill you and steal your stuff..
the cat is fast coming out of the bag
the two worst kinds of ‘doctors’ (sic..
shrinks and cardiologists.
ever met a well adjusted shrink?
they are among the very sickest puppies
on the planet.
Get A Rope!
John
madamImadam Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Just watch the movie “what about bob?”
you have the typical shrink…time for baby steps lol
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Very interesting! This article in Psych. Today is the first MAIN STREAM article I have ever seen that hints at the existence of this theory. Although the article tries to discredit Alex Jones, any person with any brains will look up key words on the internet and begin to become aware of TARGETED INDIVIDUALS and many other fascinating facts that anyone who hopes to ever have a modicum of freedom and peace had better study up on –FAST!
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
http://911essentials.com says let’s start with that “Psychology” is not a science.
Now we have a magazine devoted to this fake science that people read and think is true.
This sounds like beliefs that are founded in a fake science, known not to be a hard science and unable to stand up to experiments, could be considered a mental illness too.
So before you “doctors” think you are using a hard science to describe nature you’d better think twice before those that do use real science find you incompetent, out of touch with reality and possibly dangerous if you are unable to understand.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Psychology/psychiatry itself is one of the most insidious conspiracy theories of all, beginning with that penis obsessed mommy luster Freud…This science was designed ONCE AGAIN by the elite who funded the idea that we the huddled masses could have our remarkable minds mapped and charted as to understand and help us cope with our feelings, urges and impulses…
Excuse me Psychology profession while I scream a big fat FUCK YOU…How dare you be such egomaniacal pricks as to think you can herd the vast infinite limitless boundaries of the individual mind…to march into court and charge a big fat fee to declare someone this or that and march them off to prisons or institutions…
You have gotten away with this egomania for nearly two centuries now…And all your grant money comes from the sleaziest twisted filth on Earth…the well documented elite who engage in incest, blood lust, blood sacrifice and murder for gain…and yet you want to put millions on prozac to insure and ensure that no one grows up to question your own perverse audacity…
It is time…We can no longer wait another second…It is time to expose these fraud ghoul vampires for what they are…absolute nothings…We are all gifted in the art of motive…Why do people choose certain paths? Hmmm…uh…desperation…survival…reacting to offensive stimuli…gee whiz you are a genius to assign a large word to cause and effect…Get a fucking life and a real job…
I have met very few in the psychobabble world who weren’t embarrassingly sick in their deepest darkest secrets…Brought to the profession by those twisted thought patterns…from Freud to Kinsey…The foundation of a science that should be relegated to a drinking game at best…The foundation of those seeking to legitmize their own skeletons while demonizing and labeling everyone else’s…
This puke needs to be put on the couch of public opinion, his life minimalized…for I guarantee you if we were to all look closer at the man who penned this article you would find a scared little rat who would cry like a cowering animal if he was ever to be scrutinized…He would scream about his privacy and his right to be his opinions and that his study backs his findings…
His grants back his findings…and as my great Uncle Lenny used to say, do what you are big enough to do and this weasle just called us all a bunch of lunatics without so much as having the professional courtesy as to see us in person…The big thing to do would be to put an hour up or shut up…because your findings are nothing having not given each and everyone of us a one on one…
Not that You should be given that sort of power…because you are just a jerk like the rest of us…a phony with letterhead, a title and an answering service…Home Depot is hiring Dr. Knowitall…Maybe you can use your skills to help us match our color schemes to our emotional intent…That might actually be helpful.
Responder. Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Great points & poignant post.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
HERE HERE !!
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
My father graduated second highest in his pharmacy class at a very prestigious university. He told me that people who are attracted to psychology and psychiatry are themselves very
‘disturbed.’ If you check the records, you will find a large history of shrinks with very sicko ideas(Mengle? Freud?) who commit murder, pedophilia,etc. It is a known fact that about 70% of all medical school graduates are drug addicts-guess which field is the most addicted? HA! The idea that people with power and the money to back it often try to get thing to go their way is not conspiratorial-it is fact! The dog that hears the bell(Pavlov?) knows that food is forthcoming. When you see all your money going down the toilet and people responsible for it getting off scott free, what are you to think? This guy is dangerous. He would put anyone ‘away’ for a price. Probably cheats on his wife and has sex with his 3-year-old daughter!
Damn Those Retards! Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Straight from the mouth of a typical “know it all” type who speaks in platitudes. Your IQ is in the range of 87 to 90.
Come back when your smarter, street boy.
John Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm
i usually (wisely aviod this, but you seem a friend..
did you read what he told us..
they are not going to tell you stuff if you keep hitting them
he just told you what he saw (and might rather be fishing.
‘Street Boy’
there are some nice and smart folks here,
you kepp at it you might get there too..
best of luck!
John
John Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 6:59 pm
You can guess my IQ too if it blows yer dress up
(you idiot!
John
John Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I was born crack-addicted. My mother turned tricks to pay the rent. I never knew my dad. I didn’t do well in school. I learned to suck dick in bathroom stalls. This paid my way through plumbing school. I’m smart.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
anyone for ‘threefers..
we do this right, we will be rid of the whitecoats
(including but not limited to shrinks and pretenders
who poison you (vaccine anyone, perhaps a nice antipsycotic then?..
anyway..
the doctors, the bankers, and the ‘born killers’ (our fine military..
done with the lot of them.
John
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I saw a ghost yesterday.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Augustine (354-430), bishop of Hippo in Roman Africa, is usually credited with being among the first to articulate the Christian duty to persecute heretics, in their own best interest. The clarity of his argument for clerical coercion and its striking similarities to the modern psychiatric argument for clinical coercion merit quoting his relevant views in full. In a letter addressed
“To Vincentius, My Brother Dearly Beloved,” Augustine writes: “You are of the opinion that . . . no coercion is to be used with any man in order to [hasten] his deliverance from the fatal consequences of error; and yet you see that, in examples which cannot be disputed, this is done by God, who loves us with more real regard for our
profit than any other can.’I3 God, the coercer, is a loving parent. Man, the coerced, is a wayward child. Grant divine authority to God’s deputy, and his right to righteously persecute such errants is unchallengeable.
Augustine continues:
You now see therefore, I suppose, that the thing to be considered when any one is coerced, is not the mere fact of the coercion, but the nature of that to which he is coerced, whether it be good or bad. . . . I have therefore yielded to the evidence afforded by these instances which my colleagues have laid before me.
For originally my opinion was, that no one should be coerced into the unity of Christ, that we must act only by words, fight only by arguments, and prevail by force of reason . . . . But this opinion of mine was overcome . . . by the conclusive instances to which they could point?
In pre-Christian antiquity, coercing the person who offended against the City of Man was considered to be justified by his offense. He was punished not to improve him, but to improve society. In the Christian world, coercing the person who offended against the City of God was considered to be justified by concern for his soul. He was coerced in order to perfect him, not merely to protect society. Thus originated the authorization for the “therapeutic” use of force. Thomas Szasz – Cruel Compassion. Psychiatric Control of Society’s Unwanted (1994)
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Ezra Pound “There is no medieval description of hell which exceeds the inner filth of the mentalities of some of the ministers and prelates for whom every species of cruelty and villainy is condoned, even incited, if perpetrated under the banner of the universalist political objectives prescribed by the money power”.
Jim Lunsford Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Your posts are mindless drivel, asshole cocksucker pussy faggot, child raper.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Some time between the Reformation and the French Revolution, this meliorist rationalization became secularized. Error ceased to be deviation from religion (iconoclasm, heresy) and became deviation from reason (irrationality, insanity); doctors of divinity diagnosing error were replaced by doctors of medicine diagnosing madness; forcible religious conversion was transformed into involuntary psychiatric treatment; the Theological State was replaced by the Therapeutic State. (GEEE HOW NICE SO ALL THEY DID WAS CHANGE THERE UNIFORM AND CONTINUE THEIR ABUSE !!!! THESE COCKSUCKER ASS FUCKING “HOLY MAN AND MEN OF GOD” AND THE SKANK PAPERTORACY ALTER BOYS OF THE DIVINE ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET ME GO VOMIT HYPOCRITE SLIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
In this book, I examine the growing practice of coercing individuals, especially adults economically dependent on others, allegedly in their own best interest. Adult dependency, as we now know it, is a relatively recent social phenomenon. In the remote past, dependents were supported in extended families or perished. In the more recent past, adult dependents were called beggars, drifters, panhandlers, tramps, vagrants, hoboes, and so forth. Today, we call them homeless and mentally ill.
From the sixteenth to the nineteenth century, adult dependents were coerced primarily on economic grounds, because they were a financial burden on the productive members of society. Since then, they have increasingly been coerced on therapeutic grounds, because they are mentally ill and hence are a danger to themselves and others. Both remedies aggravate the problem. Even charity devoid of coercion demeans and antagonizes its recipient and pits him against his patron. Combine charity with coercion, and the result is a recipe for feeding the beneficiary’s resentment of his benefactor, guaranteeing the perpetuation of adult dependency and counterproductive efforts to combat it.5
In war, those who wield force can achieve great things, because war is the use of force. That is what makes the war metaphor-as in the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs, or the War on Mental Illness-both effective and repellent. In peace, however, only those who eschew force can do great things, because peace is security from violence. By separating church and state, the Founding Fathers uncoupled coercion from the cure of souls and laid the foundations for the greatest political success story in history. Unfortunately, the power the Founders took away from the clerics, their twentieth-century followers handed back to the clerks, the bureaucrats of the Welfare State and of the Therapeutic State. As a result, many of the liberties secured in 1787 are now but a dim memory. Either we must revive the Founders’ Great Experiment in liberty by separating coercion from the cure of bodies and minds, or we shall have to relinquish our much-vaunted claim to being a free people.
Regardless of the names or diagnoses attached to adult dependents, most post-Enlightenment efforts to remedy their condition have rested on the benefactor’s self-interest disguised as philanthropy.
More than a century ago, James Fitzjames Stephen, the great Victorian jurist, warned against this pious self-deception:
Philanthropic pursuits have many indisputable advantages, but it is doubtful whether they can be truly said to humanize or soften the minds of those who are most addicted to them. . . . The grand objection to them all is that people create them for themselves. . . . Benevolence is constantly cultivated by philanthropists at the expense of modesty, truthfulness, and consideration for the rights and feelings of others; for by the very fact that a man devotes himself to conscious efforts to make other people happier and better than they are, he asserts that he knows better than they what are the necessary constituent elements of happiness and goodness. In other words, he sets himself up as their guide and superior. Thomas Szasz – Cruel Compassion. Psychiatric Control of Society’s Unwanted (1994)
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
ANOTHER WACK JOB IN A POSITION OF POWER
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
It was the psychologists that said that homosexuality wasn’t a mental disorder, but conspiracy theorists have mental disorders, who in there right mind would believe such people, well obama supporters probably will.
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
How dare that monkey-in-a-suit Gartner paint a population of concerned citizens with such a wide brush. Then again, that’s what he bases his career on: making uneducated generalizations and preaching it like gospel at his prestigious university and for that despicable rag called “psychology today”. Dr. Gartner is nothing but a modern day Mengele and a home grown domestic terrorist as far as I’m concerned. I bet he would just love to force medicate me for making such statements. The sooner him and his kind become one of history’s embarassments that we all learn from the better.
Remember, restrictions have recently been lifted from suing drug companies. The types of poisons him and his fellow goons call medication have been proven to cause diabetes, brain damage, addiction, death and a host of other serious conditions. It’s time to take the gloves off and hit em’ where it hurts, their pocket books! If these drugs become a liabilty for them instead of a source of greed driven revenue, that will render them powerless to do any more harm for profit. The people who blindly follow these creeps, shame on you! Wake up! They’re not there to help you! They’re only interested in money and power and their medications and services place a heavy burned on the healthcare system. Money that could be used for real science and medicine.
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Mr Gartner is probably too young to remember Stalin or the holocaust either. I realize they teach very little history in schools today. But since doctors today are well $$engaged$$ by big pharma so how else do you expect him to act? the govt outlaws marijuana but allows doctors to create oxycotin addicts to ensure there are patients for people like Mr Gartner. yes it all makes real good $$sense$$.
Bohemian Grove is definitely a sign of mental illness but these types rarely diagnose themselves as they point fingers at everyone else.
live a long and happy life, stay away from doctors.
Give Mr Gartner a nice glassful of flouride and let him be on his way.
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Every conspiracy theorist I know is mentally stable.
September 2nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
another fine example of an educated idiot in the dubious world of physciatry.
please give up your day job turd burglar and work for the federal reserve you will fit in well .
September 2nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm
By suggesting this preposterous theory, psychologist Gartner is discouraging the critical thought processes of our young people – which is precisely the intent of Gartner and the magazine’s editors.
Critical thought and considered analysis are what made this country great, that is, the ability to discern and evaluate information, formulate opinions based on scientific evaluation of available information.
Again, the mainstream corporate media have redefined and rewritten definitions to suit the psych-ops-101 agenda. It a pile of horseshit.
John Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Now you really went and did
(you person in need of readjustment
Arlo had a bit to say on that (Alices Restaurant
It is not ‘conspiracy thinking that really bugs them
(hell they stay up late doing THAT!
It is Critical Thinking.. that drives them NUTS!
(let’s hope it is a short (and safe! trip.
John
September 2nd, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Interesting to see the same old BS games used in the mainstream as usual. UK MSN (private corp owned and government owned) did a fantastic job at showing psychologists on TV and pieces by them stating that people that believe the death of Princess Diana was murder that they were all conspiracy theorists that had personality/mental disorders, this was backe dup by numerous polls showing 65%-75% people of the UK said and thought she was murdered.
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Narcissism, vanity and power lust are all symptoms of psychotic illness.
John Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 pm
If only they would lock themselves up!
John
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Soon questioning the governing ruling class will be a sign of “psychotic illness”.
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:51 pm
His statement is ironic… A Physiologist bases his work upon observation, critical analysis, read from the patient’s unconscious motives which control much behavior; and most definitely from evaluation based upon other cases…
You know, like conspiracy of behavior…
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Being diagnosed as a pathological conspiracy theorist wouldn’t be so bad if some really decent bud were perscribed by the shrink.
WillieP
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Obama’s bud Tsar… As long as he’s not on the same program as the Science Tsar.
It will be their delusion if they think I will take that flu-vaccine needle… We’re living in times where horror once again turns biographical; as a huge dark step from the past, passes itself off for sheer coincidence…
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Anyone see the bullshit propaganda Alex Jones mixed in with this piece? There he goes again, bringing up the Nazis/Germans in a bad light instead of focusing on the REAL criminals JEWS, that Germany fought as we all should be doing .
1. Germany was the ONLY Modern nation to fight Jew Communism and Jew Central Bankers.
2. Is Alex Jones still spreading that Holocaust BULLSHIT? Yep.
Alex Jones is a Disinformation SHILL and Zionist Troll.
Alex Jones Wife and Kids are Jewish and Qualify for Israeli Citizenship under the Israeli "Law of Return" Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Great post.
Responder. Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Pure bullshit! Calling Jones’ wife a Jew is DISHONEST reporting. Because having a Jewish grandparent does not then make someone a practicing Jew! Why do you keep on accusing Jones’ wife of being a Jew when you have no objective evidence to support the claim. Furthermore your political heroes have Jewish ancestors but nary a word from you on this! Why the double standard? Furthermore I find it most laughable how you erroneously assert [ based on PURE speculation ] that they have an alleged right of return to Israel [ of all places ] when there are definitely hit squads in Israel just waiting to bump off Jones for his reporting.
jerry Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 am
alex has also talked about how its bullshiz to label people holocaust deniers when they claim less than 6 million died.
alex spreads only facts, nothing more. go tear down the real criminals, our rogue government and their partners the federal reserve!
maybe alex doesnt want to oppose zionism head on because they will attack him harder than they do now. and possibly put a bullet in his head just like they did JFK.
and yes we all know jews own and run the banking cartel. most of the elites just claim to be jews to hide behind the laws theyve put in place to protect themselves. theyr about as jewish as bush is christian. israel will get whats coming to it as well.
we are all the same. the only opposing interests we need to be concerned about is good vs. evil.
USMC Grunt Vet Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Alex needs to stop sucking so much Russian dick ….lets not forget their mass rape in Europe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....camps.html
John Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:26 pm
in light of the number of folks who
‘got the word’ (or at least part of it..
light at corner..
aren’t you being a tad bit harsh?
seems to me he is ‘fighting the good fight’..
no one may be reasonably expected
to cover the waterfront, yes?
The bad boys are doing plenty of testifyin..
tv now, maybe later elsewhere.
best to you
John
Responder. Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:35 pm
O good God man. The so called “Jews” ARE the Nazis! The Zionist bankers CREATED the Nazis & bankrolled their rise to power. Stop defending the Nazis as though they were some misunderstood German patriots when in fact they were a puppet of the very sources you claim to condemn. The German Nazis were not “fighting” the Central Bankers [ this was just convenient rhetoric a la Obama being "anti-war" ] because they were FUNDED by the Central Bankers [ just as Obama is funded by the warmongers ] in order to demonize Germans & to destroy Germany as a power.
Alex Jones Wife and Kids are Jewish and Qualify for Israeli Citizenship under the Israeli "Law of Return" Reply:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Nope, you’re wrong. Hitler’s government was creating its own money to circulate in the German economy(called “MEFO bonds”), thus bypassing the Jewish private bankers. This is the main reason why the Jews had to destroy Germany and the Third Reich, because Hitler was showing how to defeat the Jewish bankers at their own game.
Learn some real facts and stop repeating Jewish Communist propaganda from the 1930’s, which is where Alex Jones gets most of his anti-Nazi/anti-Hitler crap.
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Dr. Gartner, by stating that Conspiracy Thinking is a Mental Illness, you have stepped into the quicksand of having created your own conspiracy theory. So, anything you say at this point, will, like quicksand just make you sink faster.
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Only a psych clown could twist reality to the extent that he/she accuses someone telling the truth as a conspiracy theorist, while being too much of an emotional coward to accept harsh reality. Remember, the whole field of Psychology is a non-science, rooted in the occult, so lies are just standard faire (http://www.excommunicate.net/p.....nfluences). One of the biggest failings of our society today is its reliance on the “magik” of psychology rather than Christ, Wonderful Counselor and Great Physician. When I was starting out in college years ago, anyone who didn’t have a clue what to do as a career always chose Psychology because it was seen as an easy degree to obtain. Maybe that is why there are so many BAD SHRINKS out there who have nothing better to do than to launch attacks against others who are living well and making a difference.
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Good Lord! Look at the picture of this quack. He even looks as crazy as he sounds. He has an unmistakable paranoid delusional expression on his face especially in his eyes! What a hypocrite accusing his opponents of the VERY things that he himself is guilty of. Gartner is a paranoid paid shill whose hit piece will only wake MORE people up than if he had remained silent. That’s why folks like Gartner are going to loose because every time they get OVER zealous in their attempts at disparaging their opponents: more people wake up from their slumber realizing that the TRUE madmen are in control.
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Psychology Today, is a pop-psychology rag… more pop-psychiatry really. Much like Popular Mechanics is a yellow journalistic rag in its own right — both are pulp.
The only way you’re going to get any truth any peer-reviewed articles, the real skinny in the area of psychology is in the trade journals and periodicals, the real deal. They are very specific, very scientific, and unless you are tutored in the jargon and the craft, most people would just get lost in it. Back in the early days 30 years ago or so, PT magazine was pretty good, though even then it leaned toward psychiatry and pharmacology a bit too much for my liking — my favorite back then was the East-West Journal.
Psychology today was originally created to bring the truth as shown in the peer-reviewed journals and publications to the layman in common language, through well reasoned, well-written articles. This article/hit piece — proves that now days, quite the opposite is true.
Any good Jungian psychologist worth their Marie Louise, would equate the author of this fabrication — this wrongful twisting of psychology, into a bludgeon for slamming Alex and concerned patriots and truth seekers everywhere — with Jack’s mother, If the tale of Jack and the Beanstalk were written today under this present state of popular pseudo-psychology. This author has read too many quack pop-psychology/psychiatry books, or has wantonly chosen to ignore his training. He has given his own Jack Prozac, and locked the magic beans into a cupboard, making sure his inner little boy will never discover his manhood. He has chosen to fabricate, and to prevaricate — in a phrase, he has chosen to use his craft wrongly.
I loath most psychiatrists as I do drug pushers… of course they are the same thing.
Psychology today, is pulp fiction, and John Gartner is a projecting, pulp psychology hack!
IMWTO
–Oldyoti
September 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
I found Paul Watson’s article to be a coherent and relatively even-tempered rebuttal to the openly confrontational and condescending tone of Gartner’s so-called “hit piece”.
You know ladies and gentlemen, this debate, in my opinion, underscores the severity of the greatest cultural aspect in need of reform in America… language. The vernacular and euphemisms which permeate our American discourse are abominable in regard to the very concept of independent thought. Edward Bernays would surely be chuckling happily after eavesdropping on an attempted political/enlightening conversation between two present-day average American citizens. The plagiarism of thought that occurs verbatim, the deeply rooted Pavlovian triggers that steer the very tone of debate, it is the end result of very focused and persistent conditioning through media and legislated education. The fact that the mere mention of “conspiracy theory” summons a tirade of negative connotations only further demonstrates the fact that most peoples’ dictionaries have become vestigial literature reserved for high school students studying for their college entry exams.
The adage of “ignorance is bliss” is truly relevant to today’s self-survival instincts. As the statistics for consumer debt continue to climb unabated by the “financial crisis” it becomes increasingly imperative for middle class Americans to bury themselves in their work to build a sense of security and well-being for themselves and their families. The only way to work full-time for an indefinite period of time, is to be at peace with all which surrounds you. If everything is OK, then you can work and go about your trivial duties without much discomfort aside from the occasional gasp at the TV. However, if your government is planning potentially deadly operations in your midst which will directly affect you and your family, well, an understanding of such a reality is going to reflect on your work ethic and ability to concentrate on your labor. So the problem is not that “conspiracy theorists” are dangerous psychopaths, but that their ideas attack the very sense of security that the ignorant rely on to maintain their devotion to their habitual lifestyles.
Once we reduce our language back to literal definitions we can reappraise our surroundings more accurately. For example, communism, has recently been brought into the mainstream since the highly unethical bailout programs were unveiled by the Bush administration in 2008, but anyone who has ever worked for any company at all should understand that being an employee means being assimilated into a communist regime. Think about it. Your individual rights must consistently secede from your workplace environment for the benefit of the collective, the company. It then becomes clear that communism and corporatism are one in the same. Now consider the fact that “lobbying”, better known as bribery, is a legally sanctioned practice between the heads of these economic communes and those individuals whose job it is (in principle) to represent the individuals of a particular region. Now it becomes clear who is the government. It is not the representatives, such as the president, but the economic motivators, who also happen to be advocates of neo-feudal communism. Now consider the word fascism. I recommend http://www.dictionary.com. This is reality folks, whether you choose to comprehend it or ignore it.
September 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Why would anyone be surprised that a popular magazine, “scientific” or not, is spewing government-sanctioned ideals? Half the studies in there are overexaggerated or irrelavent to their cause anyway. It’s the same with most main media studies.
The media hates people who think for themselves. All of it. Period.
What a world.
September 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 pm
MOST SUPER RICH QUACKS AND LIEING POLITICANS INCLUDING ATTORNEYS ARE BORN INTO SUPER RICH FAMILIES THE HAVE NEVER DID ONE DAYS LABOUR IN NO FACTORY BUILD NO CAR DRIVE NO TRUCK NOT EVEN THE HI PAYING END OF ANY OF THESE JOBS THEY HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL AND BE WHAT THEIR GOVERMENT BRAIN WASHED MOMS AND DADS ARE THEY BRAIN WASH THEIR CHILDREN WITH THEIR FANTANSY MONTERY MONEY , GOVERMENT LIES AND DICTATE TO THEIR CHILDREN THEY HAVE TO BE LIKE THEM AND HAVE THEIR GOVERMENT FANTANSY WORLD SO ANY BODY AGAINST OBAMA QUACKS WELFARE WELFARE PARTY AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER WILL AVOID ALL OF THE ABOVE EXCEPT TO VOTE THEM OUT OR PROVE THEY ARE THE ONES INSANE OR DISPOSE OF THEM PROPER OR INPROPER DRIVE AROUND LIKE THE PEOPLE OF NEW NEW ORLEANS DRIVE AROUND TRAFFIC CAMERAS AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAUGE
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:00 am
ONE OTHER PROBLEM I HAVE I HAVE WITH BRAIN WASHED QUACKS THEY SAY THEY LIKE TO GET TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARE YOUNG THAT MEANS THEY TRY TO BRAIN WASH YOUR CHILDREN FROM DAY ONE IN SCHOOL WITH TEACHERS TEX BOOKS NEWS MEDIA SO YOU THE PEOPLE TEACH YOUR CHILDREN THE BEST WAY YOU SEE FIT IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE GOVERMENT BRAIN WASHING YOUR CHLDREN HOME SCHOOL THEM OR DEPROGRAM THEM AFTER THEY COME HOME EACH DAY IF YOU THINK THE SCHOOLS AND GOV ARE TEACHING OR BRAINWASHING IN TO BRLIVEING THE NEW WORLD ORDER OR THE LIES OF THE GOVERMENT
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 am
WOW….Its amazing to me to see foks on here with names like USMC Grunt and LRRP 1968, and Airborne who actually GET IT. I was brainwashed for a long time thinking my government had my best interest in mind. I was on a LRS team in the Army from 1985-89 and up until I had this little AWAKENING a little over two years ago, I would have never thought my government was capable for what I believe its preparing to do.
I guess the good news then, is there are some warriors out there…some true patriots who will hopefully not go down without a fight.
I’m actually looking forward to seeing this evil, corrupt system come crashing to the ground
I wish you all Peace
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:48 am
Sounds like a medical justification to lock people up. People who question the government are a danger to others and themselves. The sheep need to be protected.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 am
Consider that a conspiracy is a plot by several persons, and the rant below is mine alone, as it is now being typed by me. That makes the Psychology professor correct. Those behind the Govt conspiracy theory are real psychotics, nutters, wingnuts, tin-hats or any other term with which they may be annointed by the good professor. Larry King rightly called conspiracy theorists wingnuts. So why is the Govts version a conspiracy theory? Simply because it was hatched bymany and is unbelievable to any sane person. It talks about an Arab in a cave in Afghan shutting down the half trillion dollar US air defenses with his laptop. then having his incompetents causing a free fall in 3 mega steel re-inforced buildings, including unstruck WTC7. This after they made perfect full speed descents, their first time in 130 ton Boeings, without the necassary continuous radar talkdown. Who also disappeared 2 more Boeings, one thru a ten foot ground-level hole at the Penta. without touching the lawn nor walls, and another into a bomb crater in PA. Then by creating nano- thermite; and steel microspheres that require 3000 deg C, in the dust. Also raising tritium levels 54x higher than the normal background level, (this only from nuke blasts). So we have to give the professor his due credit for his massive, correct and informative work, even though he omitted to check his dictionary for the meaning of the word conspiracy.
Alex Fraser Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:48 am
Indeed! But believeing in a boogeyman in a cave is a rational thing to do!!!!
Truly hilarious.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:23 am
This psuedo science practicing, snake oil selling clown has really picked the loosing team. Enjoy it while you can. When will these people learn that when the system falls to bits and the entire world wakes up to their game THEY’LL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THEIR ACTIONS!!! Anyone with half a brain can see this guy is deliberately muddying waters with this nonsense hit piece. Even he knows Alex Jones and his peers are correct (facts are facts…period). It’s just WAY TOO LATE in the game to attack the likes of Alex Jones. I haven’t heard that ‘conspiracy theorists look for patterns’ gibberish in years!! It’s helpful to the cause though. They really do just show their hand.
It’s like waving a big NWO flag for all to see while screaming….. ‘I’m a shill for the man and I hate liberty and freedom and justice and peace and all that good stuff. I’m a pure evil sociopathological scumbag.’ Another TRAITOR for the arrest list.
So how’s he going to explain his actions to ‘we the people’ when we have a big Nuremburg style trial for all these shills???? Flee the country then maybe? To where? Ha! Ha! They can run but they can’t hide. He really should have thought it through before doing this hit piece. Fool.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:40 am
The only problem with Watson’s article is that he doesn’t a specific enough cite for Memo 200. If Alex Jones only gave a generic website address to the psychologist, expecting him to do a ton of legwork then we was not exactly fair to him, was he? I know that if make reference to something Charles Dickens said, and then said it is one of his novels- look it up, then I am not being considerate of the other person’s time. Every research paper and essay I have read that makes reference to another publication will give the page number, title, and author of that work. In the case of a website the reference will give an exact url of the material so that one can quickly access the material. Mr. Jones gave Dr. Gartner address of the index page to a huge publication on the web. This is what Dr. Gartner told me. I spoke with him on the phone. Alex jones has been wrong before on certain matters. Remember how he claimed that the Germans had their eyes Mexico during the 19th century. He used the name of an Austrian Prince installed during the 1860’s as proof. The Austrian prince was a Bourbon prince doing the bidding of France. The French had Bourbons reigning over France for centuries. He has never coem clean on it, but I glad he’s not misinforming people any longer on that aspect of history. As to having a psychologist interview him, why did Alex speak with him for hours if he thought this was a setup? This is what Dr. Gartner claims. If you send someone on a wild goose chase with poorly cited material that wasted his time, do you think you are going to get a good review? I have looked over Memo 200, and I cannot find the material. Before accusing me of bad faith, look for the exact quote from Watson’s article about, “The allocation of scarce PL480 (food) resources should take account of what steps a country is taking in population control as well as food production,” states the document. Maybe I missed trying to scan through all that indexing, but I did not make the claim: Mr Watson did. If you make the claim then why make your reader go through all trouble just to find that quote. If I were Dr. Gartner, it would be my professinal opinion that Alex is acting like an asshole. Damn right! I’d be mad that he was lazy about documenting fully and easily what he said. The on ethign I was able glean from the memo was that the PTB were concerned that the ldc countries would be driven to install radical governments due to angry citizens, who could not attained expected living standards as there were too many of them, and too little resources. The radical government would seize the assets of transnational corporations to satisfy these angry mobs. Here is the direct quote with web cite:
In developing countries, the burden of population factors, added to others, will weaken unstable governments, often only marginally effective in good times, and open the way for extremist regimes. Countries suffering under such burdens will be more susceptible to radicalization. Their vulnerability also might invite foreign intervention by stronger nations bent on acquiring political and economic advantage. The tensions within the Have-not nations are likely to intensify, and the conflicts between them and the Haves may escalate.
http://www.population-security.org/28-APP2A.html#V
Please find the article heading “Global Factors” and then go down to the second paragraph. That is what Alex should have done out of consideration for Dr. Gartner. Sheesh.
We who say nay. Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 am
Pardon my rough grammar. It was the passion of the moment.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:47 am
Yeah those conspiracy theorists who believe a boogeyman in a a cave was behind the attacks on 9/11 are truly fucking crazy…..
Ad hominem John Gartner, sticks and stones…….
FACTS TALK BULLSHIT WALKS.
Next…..
We who say nay. Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:41 am
What about just sourcing material so that it can be more easily accessed?
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:22 am
This story comes from the “Spent-Too-Much-Time-In-School” department. Endoctrination – has nothing to do with education. Also, the PrisonPlanet spell checker needs to be overhauled.
Comes from the same whacked-out group of white coats that now tell you eating healthy is also a disease. Apparently the Communist Manifesto is a living document, subject to our latest interpretation. Oops, wait, that makes me a pyscho.
Oh well.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 am
PSYCHOLOGY TODAY editors really thought it need ed to be address. What a riot!
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:40 am
We are all ill and need psychopharma medication, electroshocks and total isolation to
protect us from ourselves…hmmm – hey we got these FEMA camps! Great, one decade
all inclusive with free transfer from your home for $ 666.- only! Book now!
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:19 am
our concerns are a product of a useless criminal government and all the crimes they are committing and getting away with
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:24 am
do you know what my father used to call our useless criminal government -.dam crazy bastards
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:23 am
conspiracosis anyone….
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:36 am
I’m certainly not a fan of Alex Jones, but I do respect his work, and as far as I can see, he is not aiming to be a cult leader. He tells people to research, question, and think… and that is upsetting people like John Gartner! If I was in any way dependent on the MSM, the idea of ordinary people doing their own research would disturb me, too.
By the way, it is not mental health to be perfectly adjusted to a sick society. It is healthy to a be original, creative, and want to improve the world.
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:21 am
What about the obscene lust for power and control our leaders have – is that not a ‘mental disorder’?
celticbiophiliac Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:48 am
Not to worry – that was taken care of in PT Aug 09 – Hothead of State – apparently the Rahms are in need of a diagnosis…
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 am
Dear Mr. Gartner,
I enjoyed your shameless hit piece on Mr. Alex Jones. Thank you for protecting the psychopathic tyrants who are taking over America. And thank you for defaming the character of a decent man. The apparachiks of the Soviet Union would have been proud to do such work, apparently without flinching.
Also, thank you for posting your email on the web so that fans and admirers can contact you to express their gratitude and appreciation for such a finely written article.
Dr. Gartner’s office is on the grounds of Baltimore’s historic Sheppard Pratt Hospital at 6525 N. Charles Street, Suite 143, Baltimore MD 21204. For an appointment please call 410-337-8207. Telephone consultations can also be arranged. You can email the author at jg@johngartner.com
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:35 am
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September 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 am
this guy reminds me of goebel in the nazi regime, of course make any alternative views a crime and jail all the freethinkers and drug them, and install fear into the general population, reducing dissent. what a scam! sorry retard it wont work here, this is not nazi germany..
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:32 am
There are at least 7 different “schools of psychology” that do not agree on crucial facts . Freud,Jung, Adler, Laing etc. are at the most important subjects at variance with each other. Psychiatrists have not denied to work as consultants for torture-military, they have killed thousands upon thousands with chemicals (they call it medicine) , (over 100.000 peoble a year die in US hospitals!!! many times more than in war and even more than killed by cars!!!)they have told advertisers the secrets of subliminally ordering peoble to buy this and think that. They are involved in the development of the “Sound of Silence-system” (hypnosis via TV) being implemented with the HD-technology.There is no reason at ALL to respect the so-called authorities; WE the peoble CHOOSE who we consider authorities, based on experience and knowledge, not on uniformed clothes or minds. Rejection without researching is = to stupidity. A. Einstein.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:34 am
So what are they saying – that Bush is psychotic for imagining that Iraq was conspiring to build nukes – the old mushroom cloud machine – or that Bush is a genocidal maniac for ordering the murder of more than a million Iraqi and attempted to justify it with his Iraq WMD conspiracy?
Is Jerkoff Chertoff’s nephew also the ‘editor and chief’ at Psychotics Today – inquiring minds want to know?
Squalene Suzi and Freaky Shrinks Reply:
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:44 am
Probably learning the Next Weehawken Five 9/11 dance steps. It is a Family Affair.
Great song “it’s a family Afffffffffair” Warburg Weehawken Five cover up.
But nobody knows anything shhhhhhhhh
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:39 am
It is probably not a surprise to anyone that Left wing political philosophy is listed in the DSM-4 as a behavior disorder. They seem to enjoy making victims of the rest of us. Sound familiar?
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:50 am
Go choke on a dick Gartner.
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
I SAY LETS MAKE GARDNER HEAD OF THE DEPT. OF ILLUSIONS… THE NEXT CABINET POST..SURE AS THE FINGERS UP MY ASS..A BUNCH OF ARABS STOLE 4 PLANES WITH BOX CUTTERS AND FLEW THEM INTO…THE SPOON FED MORONS WHO BELIEVE THE 911 FAIRY TAIL ARE THE ONES WHO BELONG WITH THEIR DR. GARDNER IN A PADDED ROOM…THE REAL CONSPIRATOR TRAITORS OF THIS ONCE REPUBLIC BELONG HUNG FROM THE STREET LIGHT POLES…GOT A PROBBLEM WITH THIS?
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
Gartner is probably a Double Agent there are alot of them covering up stuff.
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 am
Just wanted to say: what a brilliant article. Well done!
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Mr Gartner snake there is a movie called “Psychiatry” Industry of Death on Google. 99% of you people are quaks.You.. are what’s wring withe this society.You cannot prove empirically anything you diagnose. You give people medications that do not heal anything or winds up killing them. You people are on the road to perdition. I will laugh at you as you burn in hell.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Gartner’s a shameless zionist shitstain.
If someone put a gun in his hand and told him it was going to be either him or a “truther,” you know who he’d shoot.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
I though it was an ethical requirement that Doctors keep their diagnosis confidential unless they have the persons consent?
I do hope that AJ applies to have this quack struck off the register!
Smithy Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:21 am
Mike,
Alex is NOT Dr. Gartner’s patient. Besides, this is hardly a diagnosis.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Gartner apparently treats individuals who come from a higher socio-economic background. One ought to question his motivation in writing this article to begin with. Rather than focusing on the fact that some schizophrenics believe in outlandish government conspiracies, it becomes clear that he is attacking someone’s (Alex Jone’s) credibility based on a rudimentary assessment of how he responds to personal questions. In effect, Gartner does not address the underlying issue of whether or not some conspiracies may in fact be true.
I am surprised that Gartner believes that those of us who investigate so-called conspiracy theories are motivated by a desire to feel helpless. I would have assumed that some individuals were hoping they could achieve quite the opposite. Psychology Today is mostly read by lay people and so this article is most likely directed at the casual reader of supermarket tabloids. I don’t see any reason to take this man seriously.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:18 am
PSYCHOLOGY TODAY HAS BECOME NOTHING BUT A PORN ADVERTISEMENT PORN MAGAZINE GOVERMENT PSYCHOLOGY AND GOVERMENT LAWYERS ARE BEHIND GARTNER IN MY OPINION I HAVE NO PROOF GOVERMENT LAWYERS AND GOVERMENT PSYCHOLOGY IS A CONSPIARCY IN ITS ON RIGHT
September 4th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Believe it or not…there are ACTUALLY people who need psychological help. Why is not acceptable for consideration that some people are delusional, that some people actually turn delusion into a money making enterprise? SOME people NEED to be recognized, to grab attention; SOME people NEED to feel power (whether imagined or not)…live your lives…be happy, be productive. Something you should ask yourselves if your married and have kids: Do you want your kids to grow up to be happy and productive? Do you want them to be at peace with themselves or to grow up constanting fighting something that’s NOT THERE?
Folks, paranoia will absolutly destroy you given the time.
Just some questions for your consideration.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
This is a big mistake – calling some people crazy because you disagree with them? Giving them a clinical diagnosis to boot? Wow, that is really nuts. Yes, there are loonies in every group, but this is totally wrong.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
GARTNER HAS A LOT TO LEARN, I WAS NORMAL AT ONE TIME, IN MY SLUMBER, AT PEACE, THE FOWERS SO BEAUTIFUL, THE SKY, THE BIRDS, BEES, TRANQUILITY ENGULFED MY SOUL, THEN ONE DAY, “IWOKE UP”!!!! IT WAS THE WORST FEELING I EVER EXPERIENCED. LIKE THE GOOD LORD SAID,”THOSE WHO HAVE EYES LET THEM SEE, AND EARS HEAR” I HAVE SEEN THINGS COMING FROM THIS GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD “SCARE THE LIVING PANTS OFF ANY ONE” AND WHAT I AM HEARING COMING FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS IS QUITE ALARMING AS WELL, IT IS A WISE THING TO BE PREPARED, IT IS ANOTHER THING MR.GARTNER IF YOU’RE PARANOID. WHEN ALEX PRESENTS HIS NEWS, 99.9 PERCENT IS COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH, SO WHOSE DELUSIONAL? THE MAN PRESENTING THE NEWS? OR THE PERSON SPEWING HIS RHETORIC? CAUGHT ON TAPE YOUNG MAN! SO WOULD YOU ALSO CONSIDER REPUBLICAN RON PAUL PSYCHOTIC? I’M SORRY MR. GARTNER, BUT THE CARDS HERE ON THIS WEBSITE ARE SEVERELY STACKED AGAINST YOU, PLEASE DO YOURE HOMEWORK SIR, IT’S TIME TO WAKEUP NOW
September 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Poor Smithy. He will still be asleep at the wheel when the tanks roll up to his house and demand that his wonderful family take vaccinations that will render them all blithering idiots. And he will tell his wife and his children that it’s for their own good because he will not take the time to do his homework, he will not grow the spine he needs to stand up to the oppressors before they come for his own.
Instead, he will tell his children when the light is fading from their eyes that he wanted them to be happy and productive instead of worrying about conspiracies and being ‘paranoid.’
Now, Smithy, just admit that you are one of them and slink out of here like the worm you are.
Smithy Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 4:55 am
“When the tanks roll up to his house and demand that his wonderful family take vaccinations…” Are you serious? A TANK? MAYBE a Humvee, but a TANK? “When the light is fading from their eyes…” “Now Smithy, just admit that your are one of them”…
Never a dull moment! Oh yeah, the word you are looking for is BLATHERING. Oppressors? Apparently, if I don’t agree with your obtuse paranoia, I’m “one of them”. That’s rich. What’s amazing to me is that not ONE of you have ever given any substantial thought to the prospect that, IF Alex is as “right” as he says he is (it pains me to even ask the question)..WHY hasn’t the “oppressor” taken any action to shut him down? No, I believe YOU are the proverbial “sheep” in this pasture. You have absoltuly NO ability for critical thought and obviously can’t function in this thing called “life” without someone conspiring to “get you” one way or another; it’s sad, really. I challenge you to really READ the “documents” that are on hand and then read them in the CONTEXT they were meant. Go ahead and watch the news clips always touted as “revealing the master plan” and compare it with reality..the past especially (after all CBS, NBC and ABC have ALWAYS been right, huh?)…Folks, like any news organ, they get PAID to make you tune in! Make the event sound outlandish enough and it’s guaranteed you will watch, this principle applies to most everything dealing with the senses. Now, I realize some of you armchair intellects will simply wave this off as the words of “one of THEM”, but, there are some out there (maybe not many) who are just reacting out of emotion…it’s to THEM I urge to just think it through.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
I am pleased to know that what afflicted me over 20 years ago is still the same mental condition I have now. My God, there is still hope! Shall I see a doctor or just realize that if I take a shot…any shot…it will cure my illness? Please, someone, give me good advice. I will believe anything! I promise I will stop hiding if someone smarter than me tells me what to do!
OR NOT!
September 4th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
It appears Gartner is lobbying for Mind Czar in Obama’s cabinet. He should be a fine addition to John Holdren, the eugenicist who is now the Science Czar, and the more recently appointed Michael Taylor, top executive from Monsanto as Food Czar! More on this at http://www.naturalnews.com/026.....e_FDA.html or for more go to Health Maven:Escape the Medical Mafia Matrix at http://healthmaven.blogspot.com/ Ciao
September 5th, 2009 at 1:15 am
I know for a fact stooges such as Gartner order Anal Lube in industrial quantities… do I see a pattern emerging here?
Smithy Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 4:57 am
Cake, if you know this “for a fact”, do you use the same catalog?
September 5th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Being human precludes one from objective reasoning
September 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
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September 6th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
1 or 3 them guys seek help from their own profession. Maybe thet should stop reading psyco-today.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
the man in the photo looks crazy
September 7th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
According to this article, Alex is nutty but his followers are nutty AND dangerous.
Also that about half the population believes in conspiracies, thus making half of us psychotic.
The man is either desperate, or an idiot.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Furthermore, I wonder if he’s even met anyone who is truly schizophrenic or otherwise psychotic. These poor people are genuinely ill and cannot function properly in society. To claim that conspiracy theorists are the same as these disabled people is ludicrous.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
There seems to be a recent upsurge in media propaganda promoting the “official 9/11 lie”. It can only mean one thing: they think we are WINNING !!!
As for Mr John D. Gartner; only after I see his structural engineering qualifications and experience will I take anything he says seriously!
My advice to Mr Gartner is to stick to what he says he knows about i.e. crazy people and leave Structural Engineers with 35 years experience, such as myself, to know that all three 9/11 building collapses were explosive demolitions.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
September 7th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I was reading some things on Nazi Germany this morning. It was like reading about current events in our own country.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I’m not sure it’s possible to make any lucid judgment on the article by Gartner ,unless I first read it ,and I see that no one has cared to post a link to the original article itself carried by psychology today.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
I now understand why Jesus will judge men by their words Matt 12: 36-37. Words are so powerful that they can destroy a nation. They are the most powerful weapon on earth.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Well,
How susceptible are you to conspiracy beliefs? Rate your agreement
with the statements below, from 1=strongly disagree to 5=strongly agree.
1) For the most part, government serves the interests of a few organized groups,
such as business, and isn’t very concerned about the needs of people like myself.
2) I have trouble doing what I want to do in the world today.
3) lt is difficult for people like myself to have much influence in public affairs.
4) We seem to live in a pretty irrational and disordered world.
5) I don’t trust that my closest friends would not lie to me.
For this I score 9, which according to hos own test makes me not very likely to believe in ‘made up conspiracies’ which I would agree with. However my score is 5,1,1,1,1 so that surely says it all.
This guy is not a very good writer either, or perhaps this was a heavily edited rushed piece, it is awfully written.
September 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
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September 9th, 2009 at 5:45 am
He looks mentally ill to me.
September 9th, 2009 at 5:48 am
First they came for the ‘holocaust’ ‘deniers’ ($TM), but I said nothing, because I wasn’t a ‘holocaust’ ‘denier’ ($TM)
Then they came for those who questioned 911, and I said nothing, because I didn’t believe in stupid conspiracy theories
Then they came and put me in a work camp. And then I understood.
September 9th, 2009 at 10:33 am
this gartner douchebag is grade A imbecile,he is an idiot.Sure people that have psychoses are known to be parranoia,but that doesn’t mean that every form of suspicion is a psychotic symptom,shit how dumb can you be? Next time cops find rolling papers and grinder on me,and say that i smoke weed,i’ll just say they’re parranoia schizophrenics,i wonder what their response will be?this douchebag is just a narrowminded retard that is too lazy and compulsive to change his view on his goverment,and will stop at nothing to keep his delusional view alive,dismissing even the strongest evidence.i’m not asking him the believe the nwo theory ( even i’m skeptic about it) but questioning goverment as a whole is psychotic,i don’t have words to describe the stupidity,and by the way psychology isn’t even a real science,any asshole can be a psychologist.There was a time when a black slave trying to escape was labeled as a mental ilness.
oh and gartner,i hope you read this,you douchebag,you are too dumb for words
September 10th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Good article! However, family planning can also mean using birth control, not only abortion. I think many women and men are glad when it it available.
September 11th, 2009 at 9:53 am
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September 12th, 2009 at 5:23 am
One look at that picture, and you knows that you’re dealing with a *fool* (tool).
‘Nuff said?
Was there a shortage of dunce caps at the PT office that day?
September 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
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