This argument you’re putting on the Wikipedia to defend the Talmud wouldn’t have worked to clear Hitler or the Nazis. David Irving could have rewritten your passage and put in the word Nazi for Jew – and you can see that it would not have cleared the Nazis?

The point is the tents calling for the extermination of Goys and Christians are there!!!! There are so many of them calling for goys and gentiles to be deceived, treated as half beasts!

They are not there in any other religion like Christianity, Hinduism and Buddism.

The seocnd point is, it’s the defenders of Israel who are calling Palestinians dogs, hornets and animals on these threads over and over obviously in accordance with the Talmud view that all goys are beast and half monkey. I haven’t come across a single non Jew myself calling Jews dogs or hornets on these threads.

That says a lot!

Many of the Zionists and Jews on these threads are also openly calling for their extermination of the Palestinains, and the extermination of goys is a tenet in the Talmud, so to make out that these tenets have no bearing on today is ridiculous. In fact, 95 per cent of all the postings defending Israel have a Talmud tpuch. And there’ve been plenty of racist, master race, Anti Christian, Anti Palestinian remarks, too.

Christ has been called the Anti Christ, Christians “weak and lazy” (a typical quality of a goy it seems!).

Sarah was even calling for a concentration camp in Gaza to finish off all Palestinians.

The similarity of the Talmud and the Nazi doctrine is so frightening because of what the Nazis did and what Israel is doing in Gaza now.

Rahm Emmanual’s father even said openly in a press satement that Arabs are just fit to clean floors in a remark so we know this atttitude that goys are just half beasts created by God to serve the Jewish master race goes right up the chain.

The lid has come off and we can see clearly now that the Talmud really is what manyJews belive from what they say and do. I haven’t come across a single Jew on these threads who has quoted Moses. They all selectively quote Psalm 91 from David, which is very much in harmony with the Talmud tenets that Jews are the master race.

Also, we know from the Talmud tenets themselves that to hide your hatred of Goys is necessary.

So when the ADL puts these kinds of explanations up, we can take it with the usual pinch of salt because they are coming from an organisation that is Jewish and accepts the Talmud and its tenets.

What’s the point of consulting a Jewish authority as you suggest if the Jewish authority has a sacred book where it says openly over and over that you must hide your hatred from the goys and gentiles???? And that to deceive them is permissable and necessary??? What’s the point????

Renounce those tenets. Then we can consult a Jewish authority – not before!!!!

The very fact these tenets are still in the Talmud says everything – they are in no other central religious text. They are also not merely expansion or additions of a theological point.

They are the diametrical opposite of the beliefs of Moses. So why have the Jews not renounced the Talmud and taken on Moses altogether? Why have two books that say the exact opposite, at all, if you only believe one and not other? If the Talmud tenets are so marginal, why are they still there when they are directly opposed to Moses.

If these Talmud were the tenets of a cult, that cult would have been banned in the US, wouldn’t it? as Satanic because it openly calls for the extermination of all non members of the cult. The Nazis are compared to a Satanic cult and it had these Talmud tenets (and where from, we have to ask?) Rumours of the Zionist backing for Hitler cannot be discounted in view of the incredible parallel.

Also, this issue of religious beliefs and values is vital becaue so many top US ogvernment politicans are dual Israeli-American nationals who are practicing Jews. It turns out that we don’t really know what they think and will never find out because they espouse a religion with tenets saying to deceive the goys and gentiles is permissable and necessary.

Why keep that tenet at all if you don’t believe it? Especially as it contradicts Moses.

Here is the ADL passage as it might have been written by a Nazi apologist followed by the original and the Talmud passages that we are suppose to believe are marginal – but not marginal enough to remove from the book!!!!

If the ADL has said, the Talmud passages are not in the book at all, I would have been reassured. Nothing less will resassure anyone now.

“By selectively citing various passages from the Nazi doctrines, polemicists have sought to demonstrate that Nazis espouses hatred for sub races (and specifically for Jews), and promotes obscenity, sexual perversion, and other immoral behavior. To make these passages serve their purposes, these polemicists frequently mistranslate them or cite them out of context (wholesale fabrication of passages is not unknown)…

In distorting the normative meanings of Nazi texts, anti-Nazi writers frequently remove passages from their textual and historical contexts. Even when they present their citations accurately, they judge the passages based on contemporary moral standards, ignoring the fact that the majority of these passages were composed close to two thousand years ago by people living in cultures radically different from our own. They are thus able to ignore Nazi’s long history of social progress and paint it instead as a primitive and parochial religion.

Those who attack the Nazis frequently cite ancient occult sources without noting subsequent developments in Jewish thought, and without making a good-faith effort to consult with contemporary Nazi authorities who can explain the role of these sources in normative Nazi thought and practice.”

Here is the original ADL passage.

By selectively citing various passages from the Talmud and Midrash, polemicists have sought to demonstrate that Judaism espouses hatred for non-Jews (and specifically for Christians), and promotes obscenity, sexual perversion, and other immoral behavior. To make these passages serve their purposes, these polemicists frequently mistranslate them or cite them out of context (wholesale fabrication of passages is not unknown)…

In distorting the normative meanings of rabbinic texts, anti-Talmud writers frequently remove passages from their textual and historical contexts. Even when they present their citations accurately, they judge the passages based on contemporary moral standards, ignoring the fact that the majority of these passages were composed close to two thousand years ago by people living in cultures radically different from our own. They are thus able to ignore Judaism’s long history of social progress and paint it instead as a primitive and parochial religion.

Those who attack the Talmud frequently cite ancient rabbinic sources without noting subsequent developments in Jewish thought, and without making a good-faith effort to consult with contemporary Jewish authorities who can explain the role of these sources in normative Jewish thought and practice.

“A Jew must not associate himself with gentiles.” – Hilkoth Maakhaloth, Ch. IX.

“The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.” – Saba Mecia, 114, 6.

“Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.” – Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L.

“It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.” -Schuichan Qruch, Choszen Hajpiszpat jog

“Thou shalt not do injury to thy neighbor (Bible), but it is not said, ‘Thou shalt not do injury to a Goy.’ ” – Mishna Sanhedryn 57.

“All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.” – Schalchan arach. Choszen Hasisxpat 348.

“The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings.” – Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaiw 14, 20, 32, 33, 39. TaIDud Jebamoth 61.

“To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly.” – Libbre David 37.

“Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human.” – Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

“If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog.” – Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

“It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.” – Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

(Jesus Christ was) illegitimate and conceived during menstruation. Mother a Prostitute. – Kallah 1b. (18b)

Christian birth rate must be diminished materially. – Zohar (II 64b):

Jews must always try to deceive Christians. – Zohar (1 160a)

Jews are not to prevent the death of a Christian. – Choschen Ham (425 5):

Do not save Christians in danger of death, instructed to let die. – Hilkkoth Akum (x,1):

Even the best of the Goim [Christians] should be killed. – Abhodah Zarah (25b)T

If Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. – Sepher Or Israel 177b

Extermination of Christians necessary. – Zohar (11 43a):

Make no agreements and show no mercy to Christians. – Hilkhoth Akum (x,1):

Christians are idolaters. – Hilkhoth Maakhaloth

Christians have intercourse with animals. – Abhodah Zarah (22a):

Female Jews contaminated when meeting Christians. – Iore Dea (198, 48):

Innocent of murder if intent was to kill a Christian. – Makkoth (7b)

Christians likened to cows and asses. – Zohar II (64b):

Psalmist compares Christians to beasts. – Kethuboth (110b):

Sexual intercourse with Christian same as intercourse with beast. – Sanhedrin (74b)

The seed [children] of Christians valued same as the seed of a beast. – Kethuboth (3b):

Those Jews who do good to Christians never rise when dead. – Zohar (1, 25b)

Jews are to hide their hatred for Christians. – Iore Dea (148, 12H):

Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it. – Babha Bathra (54b):

Keep any overpayment Christians make in error. – Choschen Ham (193, 7):

It is permitted for a Jew to deceive Christians. – Babha Kama (113b):

Jew may deceive Christians. – Iore Dea (157, 2) H:

Jew may lie and perjure himself to condemn a Christian. – Babha Kama (113a):

The name of God is not profaned when a Jew lies to Christians. – Babha Kama (113b):

Jew may perjure himself when lying about Christians. – Kallah (1b, p. 18):

Jews may swear falsely by the use of subterfuge wording. – Schabbouth Hag (6d):

Jews must always try to deceive Christians. – Zohar (1, 160a):

Christians who are not Jews’ enemies must also die. – Iore Dea (158, 1):

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1. “An Aryan must not associate himself with Jews.” – Hilkoth Maakhaloth, Ch. IX.
2. “The Aryans are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.” – Saba Mecia, 114, 6.
3. “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.” – Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L.
4. “It is permitted to kill An Aryanish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.” -Schuichan Qruch, Choszen Hajpiszpat jog
5. “Thou shalt not do injury to thy neighbor (Bible), but it is not said, ‘Thou shalt not do injury to a Goy.’ ” – Mishna Sanhedryn 57.
6. “All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Aryans in general.” – Schalchan arach. Choszen Hasisxpat 348.
7. “The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings.” – Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaiw 14, 20, 32, 33, 39. TaIDud Jebamoth 61.
8. “To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Aryans, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly.” – Libbre David 37.
9. “Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human.” – Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
10. “If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog.” – Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
11. “It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Jews belong to the denying ones of the Torah.” – Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
12. (Jesus Christ was) illegitimate and conceived during menstruation. Mother a Prostitute. – Kallah 1b. (18b)
13. Jewish birth rate must be diminished materially. – Zohar (II 64b):
14. Aryans must always try to deceive Jews. – Zohar (1 160a)
15. Aryans are not to prevent the death of a Jew. – Choschen Ham (425 5):
16. Do not save Jews in danger of death, instructed to let die. – Hilkkoth Akum (x,1):
17. Even the best of the [Jews] should be killed. – Abhodah Zarah (25b)T
18. If Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. – Sepher Or Israel 177b
19. Extermination of Jews necessary. – Zohar (11 43a):
20. Make no agreements and show no mercy to Jews. – Hilkhoth Akum (x,1):
21. Jews are idolaters. – Hilkhoth Maakhaloth
22. Jews have intercourse with animals. – Abhodah Zarah (22a):
23. Female Aryans contaminated when meeting Jews. – Iore Dea (198, 48):
24. Innocent of murder if intent was to kill a Jew. – Makkoth (7b)
25. Jews likened to cows and asses. – Zohar II (64b):
26. Psalmist compares Jews to beasts. – Kethuboth (110b):
27. Sexual intercourse with Christian same as intercourse with beast. – Sanhedrin (74b)
28. The seed [children] of Jews valued same as the seed of a beast. – Kethuboth (3b):
29. Those Aryans who do good to Jews never rise when dead. – Zohar (1, 25b)
30. Aryans are to hide their hatred for Jews. – Iore Dea (148, 12H):
31. Jewish property belongs to the first Aryan claiming it. – Babha Bathra (54b):
32. Keep any overpayment Jews make in error. – Choschen Ham (193, 7):
33. It is permitted for An Aryan to deceive Jews. – Babha Kama (113b):
34. Aryan may deceive Jews. – Iore Dea (157, 2) H:
35. Aryan may lie and perjure himself to condemn a Jew. – Babha Kama (113a):
36. The name of God is not profaned when An Aryan lies to Jews. – Babha Kama (113b):
37. Aryan may perjure himself when lying about Jews. – Kallah (1b, p. 18):
38. Aryans may swear falsely by the use of subterfuge wording. – Schabbouth Hag (6d):
39. Aryans must always try to deceive Jews. – Zohar (1, 160a):
40. Jews who are not Aryans’ enemies must also die. – Iore Dea (158, 1):

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When will America wake the Fuk up?

Taking a short break from lashing out at the international media for reporting the growing civilian death toll in the Gaza Strip, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert spoke in detail about the events leading up to the US abstention from the United Nations Security Council’s vote on the Gaza Strip ceasefire.

“Early Friday morning the secretary of state was considering bringing the cease-fire resolution to a UNSC vote and we didn’t want her to vote for it.” Olmert said. “I said ‘get President Bush on the phone.’ They tried and told me he was in the middle of a lecture in Philadelphia. I said ‘I’m not interested, I need to speak to him now.’ He got down from the podium, went out and took the phone call.”

A beaming Olmert then described telling President Bush “the US cannot possibly vote in favor of this resolution,” and spoke with pride of how embarrassed US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was at having to abstain from voting for a resolution she helped to organize and gather support for.

The US abstention shocked diplomats, and made it easier for Israel to dismiss the ceasefire out of hand. At the time of the vote Rice declared that the United States supported the draft but could not vote for it because of their “special relationship” with Israel. Just days later Rice too was lashing out at the resolution as “unacceptable.”

***Olmert said. “I said ‘get President Bush on the phone.’ They tried and told me he was in the middle of a lecture in Philadelphia. I said ‘I’m not interested, I need to speak to him now.’ He got down from the podium, went out and took the phone call.”***

Google the Cynthia McKinney, Free Gaza, CNN video for several videos showing the aftermath of Israeli patrol boat ramming and almost sinking the 60′ “Destiny” on medical aid mission to Gaza. The Israelis rammed the pleasure boat three times in international water with doctors, CNN correspondent, and McKinney plus crew on board.

The videos speak for themselves, but even reminded McKinney of the USS Liberty attack with the same cowardly operation on a defenseless vessel. The video shows how lucky they are to be alive, and the Israelis claimed it was an accident after following them for half an hour and then ramming 3 times. This should have received much more air time from the media whores.

just off the hot wire,2 Israeli ultra-nationalist parties have banned Arab political parties in its up coming elections, claiming ‘they support terrorists’ and ‘denie the existance of Israel’.
Does Israel know the meanings of ‘Fascism’ or ‘Rascism’ or ‘Geonocide’. Sounds like Israel is headed for a regime reminiscant of nazi germany.