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Ron Paul supporters’ magical disappearing act
LA Times
Saturday, Sept 6, 2008
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president, has been said to resemble Gandalf, the magician from the movie version of “The Lord of the Rings.”
Republican officials seemed to make Paul’s supporters magically disappear during Wednesday night’s roll call vote, in which the GOP convention officially nominated John McCain as the party’s presidential candidate.
During the hour-and-a-half voting procedure, convention Secretary Jean Inman recorded each state’s votes. Even though several states cast a portion of their votes for Ron Paul (among them Alaska, Oregon, Washington and West Virginia), none of those votes were repeated aloud by the secretary, and therefore they were not confirmed by the chair.
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According to the Oklahoman newspaper, two delegates from Oklahoma also cast their ballots for Paul, but the microphone was cut off before their votes could be recorded.
The result of the roll call vote — before it was made unanimous by acclamation — recorded five votes for Paul, while a news reporter counted at least 15.
“There were several discrepancies,” said Drew Ivers, Paul’s delegate coordinator. “The RNC was roughshod, a little careless. They weren’t as respectful as they could have been. I don’t think that’s very professional, and it’s not a good reflection.
“They had five ladies keeping the score, plus the chairman, so they had six people and still couldn’t get the numbers right.”
The convention did not reject all dissenters to McCain’s nomination. Two votes that the Utah delegation cast for Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, were promptly repeated and recorded in the final tally.
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September 6th, 2008 at 4:15 am
…. “The RNC was roughshod, a little careless. “….They weren’t as respectful as they could have been….”
What is this? Some kind of fucking joke? A lot of us are WAY past the joke stage.
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September 6th, 2008 at 6:05 am
The “Old Bolshevik” elite was targeted in three key “show trials” between 1936 and 1938, in which leaders such as Lev Kamenev, Nikolai Bukharin, and Grigori Zinoviev were accused of complicity in Kirov’s murder and conspiring with Trotskyite and “rightist” elements to undermine communism in the USSR. The evidence presented against the accused was almost nonexistent, convictions relying on confessions extracted through torture and threats against family members. But convictions there were, and most of the Bolshevik “old guard” was sentenced to death or long terms of imprisonment. “Dumfounded, the world watched three plays in a row, three wide-ranging and expensive dramatic productions in which the powerful leaders of the fearless Communist Party, who had turned the entire world upside down and terrified it, now marched forth like doleful, obedient goats and bleated out everything they had been ordered to, vomited all over themselves, cringingly abased themselves and their convictions, and confessed to crimes they could not in any wise have committed.” So writes Alexander Solzhenitsyn, adding: “This was uprecedented in remembered history.” (The Gulag Archipelago, vol. 1, p. 408.)
When the “Old Bolsheviks” had been consigned to oblivion, their successors and replacements quickly followed them into the void: “The new generation of Stalinist careerists, who had adapted themselves completely to the new system, still found themselves arrested. … They were succeeded by younger but similar characters, who again often fell quickly.” (Conquest, The Great Terror: A Reassessment, p. 224.) The purging of the army, meanwhile, saw about 35,000 military officers shot or imprisoned. The destruction of the officer corps, and in particular the execution of the brilliant chief-of-staff Marshal Tukhachevsky, is considered one of the major reasons for the spectacular Nazi successes in the early months of the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.)
But the impetus to “cleanse” the social body rapidly spilled beyond these elite boundaries, and the greatest impact of the Purge was felt in the wider society — where millions of ordinary Soviet citizens assisted in “unmasking” their compatriots. Frank Smitha describes this mass hysteria well, writing that
A society that is intense in its struggle for change has a flip side to its idealism: intolerance. People saw enemies everywhere, enemies who wanted to destroy the revolution and diminish the results of their hard work and accomplishments, enemies who wanted to restore capitalism for selfish reasons against the collective interests of the nation. If those at the top of the Communist Party and an old revolutionary like Trotsky could join the enemy, what about lesser people? In factories and offices, mass meetings were held in which people were urged to be vigilant against sabotage. It was up to common folks to make the distinction between incompetence and intentional wrecking [i.e., sabotage], and any mishap might be blamed on wrecking. Denunciations became common. Neighbors denounced neighbors. Denunciations were a good way of striking against people one did not like, including one’s parents, a way of eliminating people blocking one’s promotion, and … a means of proving one’s patriotism. Many realized that some innocent people were being victimized, and the saying went around that “when you chop wood the chips fly.” As with Lenin, it was believed that some who were innocent would have to be victimized if all of the guilty were to be apprehended.
http://www.gendercide.org/case_stalin.html
Coexistence on this tightly knit earth should be viewed as an existence not only without wars, but also without the government telling us how to live, what to say, what to think, what to know, and what not to know. -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
September 6th, 2008 at 6:18 am
Sadly the majority of people don’t give a damn, they don’t even follow what is going on.They just care about their belly, and sadly again elites will do as they pleasd.
If only they could open their heart and care less about money, booze, woman, football and materials…
September 6th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Actually, Alaska’s 5 votes for Ron Paul were read aloud by it’s party delegation and I think also by the Secretary on the stage. Oregon, Washington, and West Virginia also cast votes votes for Paul but the Sec. did not repeat those. I counted 6 other states who did not cast a unanimous vote for McCain but did not announce who their remaining votes were for.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:35 am
VOTE BOB BARR HE IS 3RD PARTY AND ON THE BALLOT. WRITE IN RON PAUL WILL NOT COUNT.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:37 am
I’m curious- WHEN WILL YOU OTHERS UNDERSTAND THE GAME IS RIGGED?
If you find this article astonishing, then I’d love to play Monopoly with you (I get to be the banker, and make the rules up as we play)….
The only value this story has is for someone just now learning that the system is broken. For those of us who already know this- it’s the same as saying, “the sky is blue”…
I propose again- a Convention for us- for those of use who already know the sky is blue. A Convention to elect leaders, to author policies, to create a political wing of the inevitable armed wing soon to spring forth.
I propose we start a Council on Freedom Relations to promote our liberty ideals!!!!!!!
September 6th, 2008 at 10:42 am
[write-ins do count bro..... just as much as Ron Paul's primary votes, or the Diebold machines' registration of Mr. Barr's]
I have voted LP every Presidential election, and Republican in the primaries (like many). This time, I hope Mr. Barr knows and understands, I’m WRITING IN (whether or not it is every counted) Dr. Freedom’s name. R O N P A U L
(I believe this is a louder statement this election. For those who actually get to see the real votes, and not what the maligned-media reports, will see just how many have fled the 2 parties for a common and vocal messenger of liberty- a threat!)
September 6th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Lets just say the RNC was more then disrespectfull they are “Hostile” to thier own party platform of smaller government, following the Constitution, and cutting pork barrel spending on projects the American Taxpayer would never approve. How do you convince the Repugnants that the party has been hijacked by a bunch of war mongering, Communist style egomaniacs that think just because they raised a billion dollars from Special Interest groups like AIPAC and other Corporate controlled groups who buy into the presidency so that the corruption will never end…
Just like Jesse Ventura said he beat the Republicans and Democrats with a limited budget ($300K) and a volunteer staff. They fear what would happen if Americans organized against both parties to get the Impeachment train out of the station…
September 6th, 2008 at 11:56 am
blah blah blah
September 6th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
That shit just makes me sick. What a disgusting, despicable display of corruption. They are not worthy to represent the people they claim to.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
so pretty much it will go down in the history books that no one ever voted for Ron Paul. Lol, Americans are doomed to repeat past mistakes if they keep following what other people tell them to do just so they can “fit” in.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
A vote for obama will not be counted
A vote for mc cain will not be counted
A vote for ron paul will not be counted. But it will send a message to others that votes are not counted.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
This is sickening, people will never learn. They are going to kill us all with their stupidity.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR POLITICAL PARTIES: AND A THESIS FOR SUCCESS IN CORRECTING THEM
Were the Federalists the first party to organize after the Declaration of Independence? Did Alexander Hamilton have any ties to the international private central banking dynasties of Europe? Were they reason he acquired the office of Secretary of the Treasury? Would it be an accurate representation of their platform to say that it consisted of three main planks: 1) strong federal government 2) weak state governments and 3) a private central bank: Would that be an accurate statement about the Federalists?
Why aren’t more of us talking about the significance of the name of the party which arose in opposition to the Federalists, the Democratic Republican Party?
Why aren’t we talking about this simple thesis: “Today’s Democrats and Republicans are the divided and conquered remains of the Democratic Republican Party, believe it or not, which arose in opposition to the Federalists. The Federalists advocated strong central government, limited state governments, and curiously, a private central bank. They were the party of, by, and for the international private central banking cartels. These owe allegiance to no nation on Earth. Neither did Hamilton. Neither do the Federalists. When we want to know who is destroying the United States, we would begin well by learning about the Federalists.
[Thesis continued]
“Thomas Jefferson (who warned “if the Americans ever allow private banks to control the issuance of currency . . . they will deprive [them] of all property until they wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered”) and, later, James Madison (who rewrote Paine’s RIGHTS OF MAN into the Bill of Rights) formed a party of opposition to the Federalists, the now forgotten Democratic Republican Party. The platform of the Democratic Republicans was the point-by-point opposite of the Federalists. Whereas the Federalists advocated a strong federal government, the Democratic Republicans advocated a limited one. Whereas the Federalists advocated limited state governments, the Democratic Republicans advocated strong ones. And whereas the Federalists advocated, outrageously, a private central bank, the Democratic Republicans advocated NO PRIVATE CENTRAL BANK.
[Thesis continued]
“Although the Federalists lost, and the Federalist Party was disbanded, their agenda continues to advance through today’s Democrats and Republicans. The federal government continues to grow stronger. State governments continue to suffer their sovereignty to be violated by the federal government, i.e., they continue to grow weaker and become more and more limited in their powers of opposition, especially through increasing dependence on federal money. And we are currently living under this nation’s THIRD private central bank. Interestingly, the first two banks both fell, the first from internal board-member loans to each other, which they multiplied by means of the fractional reserve system, the second from persistent attack by President Andrew Jackson (whose tombstone bears his proudest accomplishment: “I KILLED THE BANK.”)
[Thesis continued]
“It is obvious what happened. The Federalists went underground and, through infiltration, divided and conquered the Democratic Republican Party into today’s Democrats and Republicans. Understand when discussing failures of Democrats and Republicans to protect our republic from our democracy (to protect us in the minority from the will of them in the majority) regard Democrats and Republicans doing so as Federalists!
[Thesis continued]
“In order to oppose them, re-unite the Democrats and the Republicans into the Democratic Republican Party, educating the uninformed about its origins, and call those who oppose you by their original name, Federalists!”
Thus far, for some lamentable reason, this thesis has fallen on deaf ears.
I invite anyone reading this to look into the questions I have asked, see whether or not the answer to all of them is YES, as my research indicates that it is, and then educate each other.
Thank you.
Jerit Adamson Fourman, Ashland, Oregon.
handdrawnstars.net
Sep 6, 2008 | 4:55 PM PST
September 6th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
JUST WRITE RON PAUL IN
a write in candidate can win if enough people write them in. simple as that.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
To MARIA,
Think about the world as of a school with different
levels of development. You cannot expect preschoolers
to understand calculus.
And yes, they will kill us with their stupidity, or
rather with their low level of development (we used to
be that way in the past).
We, on the other hand, should do what is right to
save (actually just to prolong COMFORTABLE existence)those preschoolers, and ourselves.
Many of us will be killed, but it is the only
way to the next level…
September 6th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
No, Chris, it is not that simple. There will be no electors in the electoral college for Paul. Ron said that when that question was raised.
September 6th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErFOsoKzpD0
about 2:48 watch the WTC collapse in slow motion zoomed-
still think its arab hijackers led by osama boogeyman that made them fall?
cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
September 8th, 2008 at 1:56 am
I am writing Ron Paul’s name in. If everyone stops voting their fear—choosing the so-called “lesser” of two evils—and instead votes their hope, think of what we could accomplish!