To those who believe in using peaceful methods to try to remove fascism from the US government, I say go right ahead and try — I certainly do not oppose you or despise you for wanting to remain peaceful. But I also firmly believe that your methods will fail to accomplish any significant or lasting positive change.

We tried peaceful demonstrations to bring about change during the Viet Nam War, and our efforts weren’t at all successful. The protests were a failure in terms of the level of change that we were striving for — and no, it wasn’t the protesters who brought an end to the Viet Nam War.

In my home city during the VN War, I watched the numbers of participants in anti-VN War rallies and marches rise from 500 people in 1967 to 50,000 in 1970. The biggest anti-War rally in my city at the start of the current Iraq War drew 4,000 participants, and the past two major anti-War rallies in my city likewise drew only 4,000 participants each. A non-increase of participation, from 4,000 to 4,000 after five years, is NOT an inspiring ’show of strength’. If nonviolent, peaceful protest in the USA is going to accomplish anything at all, it’s going to require A LOT more participation than that.

Actually I DO see a realistic possible alternative to using a violent Revolution to overthrow the US government and then rebuild it. That would be for the USA to go through a total economic collapse that would effeectively destroy the ability of the US government, the military, and business to function any longer. Worthless currency, zero trust in government at any level, and extreme public fury against government and business.

What I am suggesting is a scenario in which total economic collapse does the ‘dirty work’ of Revolution for us, so we don’t have to. But if and when that happens, the people still need to be smart enough and gutsy enough to ’sieze the day’ and take control of the government into their own hands.

One scenario that could very well happen is that eventually the police or military will escalate their own use of violence (perhaps with a Kent State type event) against peaceful demonstrators, which may then inspire many of the previously peaceful protesters to morph into violent Revolutionaries.

I learned a lesson about the US government 38 years ago when the Kent State and Jackson State shootings happened. I had hoped that younger dissidents might benefit from this geezer’s experience and advice regarding this issue, but perhaps not. Perhaps each generation really does need to make its own mistakes, and the younger generations that have followed us aging anti-VN War protesters will need to experience their own ‘Kent State’ to provide them with a ‘reality check’ about just how evil the US government and its defenders REALLY are.

If I was this guy’s family I would be fighting to clear his name. (With no court case they can shut the book on it, guilty as charged.)

His brother seems very happy to trash him in the press. Although last night on the news I heard his brother say “Bruce fell in with the wrong group of people.” That made me curious. Sounds like he was being manipulated to me.

the I trolls are so obvious, no???

nibiru is coming and our politicians/masons/jews are well aware of it.

Suppose that Alex Jones actually WAS a Federal agent, a Capitalist pig, and a Texas Jew, all rolled into one? Alex Jones still provides one of the best alternative news websites on the Internet, he stumps tirelessly for Truth, and he provides this forum, where anybody, even Federal disinfo agents, can say any damn thing they want.

I’m not a big fan of Ron Paul; anyone who is a Christian and wears a suit raises my hackles. And I do like Webster Tarpley. But Alex Jones has a right to argue with Tarpley about Ron Paul, just as any other Truther has a right to debate such issues. Unlike the US government, within the Truth movement we have REAL debates!

Bravo Alex Jones!

Possible scenario: the Feds kept Ivens and his colleagues in a constant state of ‘pins and needles’ stress for the past seven years, while milking each of them for possible incriminating information about themselves and their colleagues. Meanwhile the real perpetrator, Jewish Mossad/CIA operative Lt Col/Dr Phillip Zack, is ignored by the MSM and largely forgotton by the public.

Finally, in the leadup to Administration change in DC, the Feds choose their victim and put him through a psychological wringer, including two INVOLUNTARY psyche hospitalizations, ala the Soviet gulags, and send him to a (Fed-appointed?) psychiatrist who overlooks and ignores the professional, legal, and ethical taboos about revealing information about her client, by screaming about his alleged insanity from the rooftops and to the international press.

Bear in mind that a US Military employees working at a high-security installation, Ivens and his colleagues would have had US military health care insurance, and were probably restricted to using US military or military-approved health care providers. Such a restriction would be particularly enforced during a Federal murder investigation such as this one.

Tylenol with Codeine overdose often causes vomiting within an hour or two of ingestion, which protectively removes most of the drug from the person’s body.

Codeine overdose can make a person go into a stupor and sleep for 24 hours or longer, but they usually wake up without serious complications. The sedative effect of Codeine and other narcotics can be rapidly reversed by administering IV Narcan, which is available at any hospital ER.

Tylenol overdose is not normally immediately fatal, and usually the person recovers from their suicide attempt within a day or two. However, Tylenol overdose is highly toxic to the liver, and people who have overdosed with Tylenol often die an excruciatingly painful death from liver failure that takes several weeks to several months until they finally die.

It seems unlikely that a world-class biochemist such as Ivens would choose to attempt suicide with Tylenol with Codeine, which is notoriously one of the most unreliable and most tortuously painful methods.

Any inclination that Iven’s colleagues might have to speak out about any of this may be stifled by any of several constraints:
a Federal ‘gag order’ placed on all of the suspects and informants, fear of reprisal by the Feds and being ’suicided’ like Ivens, and the fear that anyone you shared information with might be a hostile Federal agent or informant.