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Senator: “We’re Talking About Rape And Murder Here. We’re Not Just Talking About Giving People A Humiliating Experience”
Washington’s Blog
Sunday, May 24, 2009
In 2004 , discussing images of torture of Iraqi prisoners:
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld . . . warned that videos and photos yet to come could further inflame worldwide outrage…
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, “The American public needs to understand we’re talking about rape and murder here. We’re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience.”
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36 Responses to “Senator: “We’re Talking About Rape And Murder Here. We’re Not Just Talking About Giving People A Humiliating Experience””
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May 24th, 2009 at 5:16 am
If government only see more money when they do more bad and only see less money when
they do less bad they will surely believe that we are sending them a message. It would not be acceptable for the people and their representatives to write such things down to “go on the record” as it were that evil was the intention.
What should they believe a/ what people say or b/ what people do?.
Hal Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Another indecipherable message!
May 24th, 2009 at 5:45 am
49:2 Assemble yourselves, and hear, you sons of Jacob.
Listen to Israel, your father.
49:3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength;
excelling in dignity, and excelling in power.
49:4 Boiling over as water, you shall not excel;
because you went up to your father’s bed,
then defiled it. He went up to my couch.
49:5 “Simeon and Levi are brothers.
Their swords are weapons of violence.
49:6 My soul, don’t come into their council.
My glory, don’t be united to their assembly;
for in their anger they killed men.
In their self-will they hamstrung cattle.
49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce;
and their wrath, for it was cruel.
I will divide them in Jacob,
and scatter them in Israel.
49:8 “Judah, your brothers will praise you.
Your hand will be on the neck of your enemies.
Your father’s sons will bow down before you.
49:9 Judah is a lion’s cub.
From the prey, my son, you have gone up.
He stooped down, he crouched as a lion,
as a lioness.
Who will rouse him up?
Mary Contrary Reply:
May 24th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Yes, I agree with you completely. Here is another important message for you from god the next time you consider eating a crustacean:
11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.
I had no clue that by simply eating shrimp I was damning myself to a life in hell. Sigh.
Rocket Scientist Reply:
May 24th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Little Georgie knows whats up
Get up to speed…!!!!
http://library.georgegordon.com/audio
Jim Lunsford Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 6:50 am
And so worth it! Fried, steamed, yum yum!
Hal Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 7:51 am
comment below was for Bible scriptures not you, sorry. Hal
Hal Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 7:50 am
do think you could express yourself in your own words?
dookie-barrell Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Does god really live in that tiny little book, that was crafted by the global elite?
May 24th, 2009 at 6:19 am
And yet they both defend the “right” to torture…
May 24th, 2009 at 6:46 am
You always know that on a rightwing redneck site you automatically get the crazy jew loving fuckwits and the whole nine yards of simple minded evangellical ‘waiting for the fucking rapture’ crap. Wake the fuck up!!!!
Dyne Reply:
May 24th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Who came up with the concept of the Rapture anyway? It’s not in the Bible.
Jim Lunsford Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Pat Robertson told me so.
Hal Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 8:02 am
My father was a freelance, Bible banging fanatic who brought me up on the “Babel.” His favorite words were: blasphemy (someone presenting a differing perspective), heathen (someone expressing a different perspective) and pagan (same definition). His “spirituality” was tortured into him by his aunt and uncle over 15 years, and it really worked! Now I equate the Bible to King James, a guy who used it to keep Parliament from questioning his voracious spending habits. My dad said I was going to hell 55 years ago, all I ever got from religious folks was this: God is their favorite mass murderer. I still love my father, but watching him use the Bible to torture himself has kept me utterly depressed since we met. I understand Spanish much better than Old King James english. Want to read something fascinating: King James idea of sport. You’ll love it!
May 24th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Okay, so let me get this straight (no pun intended): The military does not want gays to overtly state they are gay if enlisted, yet they protect guy on guy action as a form of torture or recreation. WTF? I’m sorry, but how can any guy do this unless he is gay himself and likes it?
Seriously, we need to keep our boys out of prison AND out of the military. Nothing but gay men.
Jim Lunsford Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 6:53 am
I have successfully talked all of my family members (nieces, nephews, etc.) out of joining the military. It doesn’t take too many stories of mine, backed up by stories from others, to convince them. But then again, my family appears to have an IQ as a dominant trait.
dookie-barrell Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
sodomizing someone is an act of dominance and humiliation in these cases and has nothing to do with homosexuality. Just as raping some one of the opposite sex has nothing to do with heterosexuality.
May 24th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Remember kiddies, sooner or later, this stuff gets used on people like us. Rico laws were originally meant to just be used against the Mafia. While our current president is a saint among men, the guy who will sit in the White House in 4, 8, or 12 years may not be.
Nip it in the bud or eventually this country will pay the price.
May 24th, 2009 at 10:30 am
No one knows our own rights or reads any laws they are being charged with. It’s all directed by a corrupt media because “every one knows” including jurors.
Why be angry and live in FEAR? All we have to do is claim our sovereignty, under common law none of the 60 million statutes and acts applies to us. There is only 1 law “have I injured another man” and if you have you have to answer to it. The Banksters have taken over America and since 1938 only Admirlty law is practiced in court as evidenced by the gold-fringed flag flying therein. Under this Law of Contracts you have given over your sovereignty by submitting (submission) applications (begging) for a marriage license, birth certificate, drivers license,car registration, etc. When you get a notice from your bank or a traffic ticket or any court document or license look at them. Your name is all in capital letters (signifying a corporation). That isn’t you. Seek information on the free man or sovereignty movement and become the governing power as we were intended to be. Watch http://www.tpuc.org/node/558 and http://video.google.com/videop.....0DECEPTION
dno7956 Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Recommend reading “The Red Amendment” for more information on this. Also visit Notmygovernment.com. to help understand your enslavement. Ever wonder why your government does not abide by the Constitution?
May 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Rumsfeld said:
“I would not resign simply because people try to make a political issue out of it.”
The defense secretary said those involved in the abuse would be brought to justice regardless of rank.
At least 25 prisoner deaths already reported, the Army is investigating 42 potential cases of misconduct against civilians that occurred outside prisons in Iraq, Afghanistan and nearby countries.
He and President Bush were “blindsided”, the pictures had been leaked, and had not yet reached the Pentagon when they appeared on television.
PITOFDOOM says:
The purpose of seeking JUSTICE regarding Abu Ghraib long since past when the pictures were leaked.
But solely due to the personal & political hatred toward President Bush,
and WITHOUT regard to America’s best interests!!
With the premeditated intentional TREASONOUS purposes of aiding and abet
the enemies of the United States.
I absolutely guarantee that EVERY SINGLE American General would court martial and by firing squad execute any and all for such conduct.
If such a guarantee can not or will not be accepted by “We the people”, or ANY of her allies then the Republic of the United States of America is long since dead!!
May 24th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I wonder how many senators and congressman and women secretly got turned on at the thought of getting a personal tour of these prison camps, and perhaps the tight young buttholes of the prisoners.
bonsai Reply:
May 24th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
A republican delight I’m sure.
May 24th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Behind every macho man, behind every testosterone inflated big boy lies either a big wimp or an abusive sodomiser, never a real man.
The males who planned, ordered, allowed, created the atmosphere for this situation to develop need to be punished in a way which teaches them the wrongness of sexual abuse. I think that castration would be a very good way of teaching these cruel men some of the most important things they need to know.
I guess we will have to see the total breakdown of patriarchal societies across the world before these kinds of punishments could become a reality for rape and other horrible crimes. This breakdown appears to be occurring now across the world.
A male abuser who loses his balls for his crimes is unlikely to cause any further problems for others. He also sets an example and deters others from committing acts which might achieve a similar result.
Of course the women involved should also be severely punished in a way which is appropriate for them.
May 24th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
The government can not release the photos of the rapes & child abuse because they are still passing them around and getting off on them; they like that kind of stuff; they like it so much that they actually commissioned that they be made.
Hal Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Closer to the truth than most would ever imagine! Hal
May 24th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Could it really be the time of the end? Dehumanizing does seem to be the trend of those in power. They do seem to be playing God in many of their dealings as if they are masters of the world and owners of peoples. And women? Mothers and Fathers perhaps? Our Military we are taught to respect? involved in such unnaturalness for lack of a better word. It might enflame the public? Please we already know how low ya’ll are but this is so over the top. There is no way of making up for such crimes. Expose the criminals for who and what they are and justice may prevail. The ones hiding the crime and protecting the ‘pot bellied pediphials’ as Alex so eliquently put it, are just as guilty.
Hal Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 8:07 am
The crime is disempowerment. The sexual aspect just makes it commercial (for recruiting purposes).
May 24th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
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May 24th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
A society is at its most visciousness when its dying= US, Israel.
May 24th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
And we’re talking evidence that shows that the order to torture came from ABOVE. Lil Abner and Daisy Mae did not do this on their own.
May 24th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
In 1962 twelve Vatican Theologians wrote a book called “The Plot Against the Church” under the pen name of Maurice Pinay. This book explains the corruption in the Catholic Church, governments, the illuminati, wars, revolutions, its all there. Available from “Omni Christian Books” (on the net) $20. Your won’t believe the expose that is in this book, the Italian government and the Vatican tried to stop it’s publication. Thoroughly Catholic, but it will astonish you and explain all that is happening and what is going to happen.
Marie-Julie Jahennny, the Stigmatist of Blain, in 1886 was shown by God, WWI, WWII, and WWIII. She details all three wars and especially WWIII. Not the end of the world, but 2/3 to 3/4 of the world will die. Starts out not as a WWIII but revolutions all over the world overnight. Russia, together with the Muslims, Chinese, and others attacks the West and for the most part the West did not see it coming. While everyone was watching the middle east and other places, Russia was preparing secretly. Absolutely incredible her revelations. God lets the West’s enemies punish the loss of faith and when all seems lost, when the Church and the World seem to be near the “One World Judeo-Masonic Satanic World Order” God steps in at the last moment. Check out and search [The Revelations of Marie-Julie Jahenny, and The Three Days Darkness] It all lasts about 4-5 years, that man will be thrown back 200 years, 35 to 50 years of peace, there will be only one Christian religion, Holy Roman Catholic Church (after God chastises and renews it) – and after a time man returns to his sins agains and then comes anti-christ.
May 25th, 2009 at 11:45 am
PLEASE STOP torture and rape in Guantanamo
close Guantanamo
it is unbelievable
poor guys
nazis tortured people too
May 25th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Guantanamo is a tastier name of “nazi camp”
Guantanamo = the new nazi camp Germany
May 25th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
@ Andy Jackson:
You can talk about common law all you want, but the other law is the only one respected in this country. The best arguments in the world, even true ones, will not keep the large men with guns on their hips from dragging you away if you piss off the government enough.
There is what should be and there is what is. Learn the difference.
May 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Once again, each of us has to define credibility and levels of proof. Who ya gonna believe?? An amorphous faceless gummint that has consistently lied to you all of your life, or Seymor and some english journalists? On one side we have established propagandist/liars. We are to the point where the gummint tells the truth just to string you along for the coming Big Lie. They appear to win, but when they lose they profit from the loss and form a commitee to launch an investigation about having a bowel movement and then falling back into it. Of course these allegations are true! They have been leveled have’nt they? That’s now enough evidence of proof. “Our” military have shamed the united states for several decades to come and years from now we will get spin about’what went wrong’ from deep-cover nsa plants like Thomas Friedman of the New York Times… will someone PLEASE flush?