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Skeptics debate 9/11 events
Rachel Meador
Daily Texan
Thursday, Sept 11, 2008
Sept. 11 conspiracy theories are widespread — some seemingly outrageous, others eerie and perhaps persuasive.
The U.S. government knew it would happen.
The U.S. government planned for it to happen.
The trade centers were rigged with demolition explosives. American Airlines flight 77 never actually hit the Pentagon. The planes that struck the Twin Towers and the
Pentagon were remote-controlled. The U.S. issued visas to the hijackers, despite warnings that they were terrorists.
Rallied around the 9/11 Truth Movement, celebrities, ex-CIA members, scientists and victims’ families continue to ask questions and seek justice.
“It’s incredible the totality of evidence we have on our side,” said Harlan Dietrich, co-owner of Brave New Books, a store on the Drag dedicated to suppressed information and open discussion. “We don’t have all the answers, but we’re trying to ask the questions.”
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UT associate history professor Mark Lawrence said an argument can be made that attacks have been staged in American history, but he considers it irresponsible to say that Sept. 11 falls in that category.
“You can look at cases like the Gulf of Tonkin, and you can argue that they were set off by small incidents that were to some degree provoked by the United States, but that’s not the same as a terrorist attack,” Lawrence said. “There’s a point there, but they use it too loosely. The difference is so significant that the generalization doesn’t hold.”
Although anything is possible, Lawrence said, declaring Sept. 11 an inside job gives too much credit to the government and policymakers for pulling all the strings. He considers the attacks and the aftermath a record of jaw-dropping incompetence and lack of foresight and forethought, not of deviousness or cleverness.
Evidence that Dietrich and others point to ranges from pools of molten metal outside the Trade Center that theorists say could not have formed from a plane crash to how impossibly fast the buildings fell. The ever-growing list of evidence can be overwhelming, confusing and misleading, and advocates of the Truth Movement want to help people distinguish between fact and speculation.
“Believe me, I don’t want this to be true, but I can’t keep drinking the Kool-Aid. I can’t keep going along with the Hollywood story,” Dietrich said. “If we’re going to give up the way we live as Americans, we need to understand.”
Internationally recognized documentary filmmaker and radio host Alex Jones is a prominent member of the group and a firm believer that Sept. 11 was an inside job. He said the facts of history combined with the solid evidence that the attacks were staged are irrefutable.
“We are not making this up. This is really happening,” Jones said. “These people are not playing games, and I do not take it lightly going up against them. I am doing it because I am a person who stands up for liberty and justice, and I am honored to do it.”
Although Jones draws criticism for his outspokenness, many of his interviews have become a topic for mainstream media. Jones said he continuously receives letters accusing him of exaggerating, but plays things down because people just find the whole truth too hard to believe.
“Do not believe Alex Jones, but do not believe George Bush or Barack Obama,” Jones said. “I beg my fellow country-women and men to do the research. It’s more scary to let this continue unless we face it.”
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September 11th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Was 9/11 the fulfillment of Revelation 10?
September 11th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Was 9/11 the fulfillment of Revelation 10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX4y15SOhMg
September 11th, 2008 at 8:11 am
“Was 9/11 the fulfillment of Revelation 10?”
No.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Alex Jones speaks truth to power/he is a great patriot.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:40 am
911 Truth is winning. Soon it will be common knowledge that the official Conspiracy Theory is a blatant lie. Once the facts are presented to the mainstream we’re going to experience a domino effect where the credibility of institutions that are now trusted will be shattered. It will happen very quickly.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:30 am
I hate when the general media tries to look into 9/11, they always start with the word conspiracy theorist, and then they start with a mix of the outrageous and the rational theories, which pretty much sabotages the whole point of the story. The whole point is that there is enough credible evidence already to re-look and examine 9/11 independently, no matter how you think it exactly happened. Files need to be rexamined and declassified beyond the power of the 9/11 commission to put this story to a close, and an independent authority has to have the full power to do so with out tampering from the White House because it could be indicated that the White House had responsibility in it. The U.N. also needs to investigate the war on terror separately with out a security council agreement, since the War on Terror has implications for everyone.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Since Bush’s grandpa, Prescott, was busted being a Nazi sympathizer during WWII, then the CIA employed Nazis after the war, then George Sr. was director of the CIA, followed by VP and then Big P., then his son is Big P. it’s easy for me to believe that the Nazi party is infiltrating the American Govt. They are spreading Propaghanda like wildfire in order for everyone to join them (and are doing a wonderful job at it) Also it isn’t hard to follow the money trail right back to the CIA via the Afghan-Soviet war and through the Pakistani Intelligence(ISI). I believe Bush employed Bin Ladens group(the al-quaeda or previously the Mujahaddin) to carry out these horrific acts 7 years ago today. And obviously let them get away so we could war with the muslims worldwide! Look out Iran, Syria, and every government “we” don’t want in power.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:41 am
where are the planes and the people that were onboard ?
in DUMBS? (deep underground military base)
google it.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Been looking at Alex Jones site for a few months now it is amazing keep up the good work I believed from day one before it was ever mentioned this was an (inside job) If the planes were remote and the hole in pentagon was to small & no bodies in shanksville PA Then my god where are all those people from those 4 flights? Someone who knows should speak up or are in fear of ending up the same way. Did they assasinate them somewhere else????? Unreal I can’t believe how many people I send these links and videos who say they are not interested in them and say to me why do you care if you can’t do anything about it.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:31 am
elmer: Did you ever go to school? Do you always believe what the establishment tells you to believe? Religion is the establishment who doesn’t give a shit about you or your family…god I hope you aren’t raising kids…you don’t have the brains to. Here’s a revelation for you ol’ Elmer: The bible is a book full of bull shit. And you are stupid for believing any part of it.
BTST: I hope you are right.
Bossman: They are dead…do you think our gov. would keep them alive after they killed 2,800 on 9/11? Really?
Larry: They’re all dead. No bodie at the pentagon, no bodies in at the crash site…our gov. killed ‘em…just as they will do to the rest of us someday. You too Larry, and your kids…are you still paying your taxes? Then don’t complain.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:33 am
It hit this morning I think we need to look back at Bill & Hillary Clinton not George Bush .I think if you see that look on his face in that school he was pissed off that he had to sit there and seem like a ass to save the U.S. government and Bill Clinton Administrations .I think that if Al Gore would have become President this would have gone down a different path .
September 11th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Every single 911 theory is debunkable. When they site intel experst talking about “an inside job” they are not refering to remote controlled planes, bombs in the towers and a missile hitting the pentagon. The 100,000$ wired to mohamad atta was given to an arab working at logan airport. He never showed up to work after 9/11. That is considered “an inside job”. When they site commision members saying it is filled with holes and lies, that doesn’t mean they think it was an inside job like Alex Jones beleives. Do the research yourself. If you really look and read the books written by people who were there, you can see what happened and you can understand, not justify, but undersatnd why people lied and continue to. Alex Jones is a joke!.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I saw a documentary of how New Yorkers stopped turning Grand Central Station into a profitable piece of real estate. The reason why the New Yorkers did that because it was a landmark and an important part of New York’s heritage. The twin towers had achieved the same status – if anyone had suggested that the World Trade Center is going to brought down and be replaced with a new building all the New Yorkers would have prevented that from happening. So the plan was to do so in secret so that New Yorkers do not start protesting all over again. The demolition team had set its bombs was sent many office goers knew what was going to happen so they were absent – others did not. The demolition team would have warned those still in the building to leave. But George Bush saw an opportunity and took it. He knew the planes could bring down the building it had to be destroyed through controlled demolition. No knows which demolition company hired for the job.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
I find it strange that people question the ability of rogue elements of the US government to stage something like 9/11 but not the ability of 19 Muslims with box cutters, led by a guy in a cave, to do the same thing.
I also find it strange that people, particularly Americans, find it hard to believe that American politicians or other government officials could do something so despicable when recent history tells us that those in power–Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot–have done far worse things to their own people. Since when does American shit not stink?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
9/11- No Planes, and No Standard Demolitions
1] No Planes?
Most likely, on 09/11/01 there were no planes,only faked “live” footage on time delay of from about 3 to 17 seconds.
See:
http://www.livevideo.com/video…..-half.aspx
and: http://www.livevideo.com/video…..-half.aspx
2] Impossible Impact Speeds?
No planes were flying at 550mph at 600ft above sea level. 550mph is a cruising speed for airliners at 35,000ft, where the air is much thinner. Because of air density, the same speed is impossible for them at 600 ft. above sea level. Maximum sustainable speed at 600 ft for a large Boeing, according to Boeing? -around 220mph.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2upl977dsY
3] Pencils Through Wire Screens?
Also, aluminum skinned planes with plastic nose cones traveling at a max speed of around 220mph cannot fly almost completely through 500,000 ton buildings made of steel girders and reinforced concrete, [disappearing inside in one piece no less!], all without slowing down visibly at impact, with no parts [e.g. engines, wings, tail] falling off at impact, with no engine sound prior to impact,[i.e flight 175] and with no actual discernable impact sound at impact
See:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lOcEOsmAtA&feature=related
4]No Explosives Used For Demolition?
Most likely, no explosives were used to demolish the twin towers [ possible exception of WTC7] .
Unfortunately for the “demolition brought them down” crowd, the majority of the wealth of both collapse and post collapse photographic and seismic evidence simply does not support the use of standard demolition procedures.
See: http://www.drjudywood.com/
5]Steel Girders Turned To Dust?
Also, conventional demolitions do not and cannot literally turn steel girders to dust in mid air, within seconds. See:http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image42.jpg
6]Holes in Towers Made By, Missiles or Explosives?
Most likely, explosives _ were_ used to make wing shapes in towers after either [a] a missile made the main “entry” hole, _or_,[b] the initial hole was also made with explosive charges.
This can be seen clearly here,[link below] as the wing shapes do not appear until a full 6 seconds after the main “entry” hole in the buildings’ side, appears, and the plane, wings and all, has supposedly already completely disappeared inside in one piece!
See: http://www.livevideo.com/video…..part2.aspx
September 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I like the academician’s unwillingness to extend the certainty of previous false flag actions – such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident — to even the possibility of 9/11 being a similar operation in principle.
The leap is too much for the academic to endure, the huge mass of hard evidence aside. The academic knows that if 9/11 Truth is right, then a huge portion of his beliefs would be rendered absurd or false.
I think most smart, educated folk would choose in a heartbeat simple denial, which is almost effortless, over facing the belief adjustments that would be the logical product of seeing 9/11 as an inside job.
Facing that abyss requires a courage and determination that many sensitive and intelligent folks, like our comfortably tenured academician, simply can not or will not muster.
So we see that innate cowardice and aversion to dissonance are the major forces preventing a general outbreak of 9/11 Truth among the educated.
Above all, truth requires courage. And among the American intelligentsia, courage is not a salient (or even highly valued) trait.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Folks who debunk 9/11 as being an inside job have zero knowledge of structural engineering or firefighting. I am both a structural engineer, and a firefighter. I laughed and cried at the History channel documentary “Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories”. Their “experts” included an intern working for Popular Mechanics along with the editor of Popular Mechanics! Just shows how dumb most Americans are to what they see on television nowadays. We had more coverage of Anna Nicole’s death than we did about the investigation into 9/11. Osama Bin Laden was basically found guilty on network television on the day it happened. How come the FBI still has not charged him with 9/11? Since 9/11, congress has voted in acts that are illegal based on our Constitution, and Bill of Rights. I would much rather keep my rights, and fight any terrorists, than give up my rights to our government which has become increasingly out of control. We never hear about the federal debt on mainstream media. Folks, we owe 10 trillion dollars, and it is climbing every day!
Those who don’t think 9/11 was an inside job need to answer these questions:
1. Why did all three building collapse at free fall speed as if there was no supporting structure left below?
2. Why was all the concrete pulverized from the twin towers? The upper sections should have hit the ground fairly intact.
3. Why are there videos of people standing in the plane impact areas prior to the collapse, when the temperatures were reported to be high enough to cause the steel to fail?
4. Why were all first responders, not instructed to wear breathing protection full time? The fire department knew that the towers were insulated with asbestos. Why did the government declare the site safe when they knew the dust was laden with asbestos?
5. Why was all the steel hauled away with no investigation, and shipped to China to be melted down prior to any investigation?
6. Why were no video cameras or regular cameras allowed on the site during the clean-up operation?
7. WHY WAS NO FIRE COLLAPSE INVESTIGATION DONE FOR YEARS AFTER THE COLLAPSE. I’M A FIREFIGHTER, AND WE ALWAYS INVESTIGATE IMMEDIATELY AFTER A FIRE! THAT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE IN ALL STATES AND CITIES NATIONWIDE.
8. Why was ALL airplane wreckage from the towers, the Pentagon, and the PA crash collected…never to be seen again? We always reconstruct plane wreckage in ALL major airliner crashes!
9. Why did the military stand down on that day, when air traffic controllers alerted them of the planes way off course.
10. Why was the military doing exercises on 9/11 of planes crashing into building?
11. Why was the collapse of building #7 (at free fall speed) completely ignored by mainstream media a few days after 9/11? NIST tried to explain it in a recent report which is a joke. There was NO raging inferno in building #7, and it collapsed in a classic implosion where major support columns HAD TO BE EXPLOSIVELY TAKEN OUT. Any structural engineer who knows what he is talking about, and is not concerned about government backlash will tell you that building #7 was explosively imploded on purpose.
12. Why is there radio traffic from the fire floors stating that they have a few small pockets of fire that they can kill with two fire lines just prior to the collapse?
13. Why are there numerous video account of firefighters hearing explosions long before the collapses.
14. Why has our news media been allowed to become a MONOPOLY? We used to have antitrust laws here, but they were secretly voted out by congress behind our backs. Only a handfull of ultrawealthy folks own almost 100% of what we can now get on cable, network, or satelite.
15. Why do we have a president, and vice president who faked information regarding Iraq to get us into a war there, and they are not up on charges of treason?
16. Why did we vote in the democrats in congress to end the wars, and they did nothing?
17. Why have we let congress vote to end our rights as citizens of this country?
Dave H., P.E. FF2, FireOfficer1&2
For those who don’t believe our government is screwing us…you need to Google..”Freedom to Fascism”,and watch this excellent video by a professional film producer, and see how our congress gave our money supply to a private bank known as “The Federal Reserve Bank” (they were bribed by the bankers), and then illegally voted in taxes on our labor way back in 1913.
Alex Jones knows what he is talking about….don’t be stupid…why do you think the middle class in America is going down the tubes?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
A few more items:
1. Molten iron or steel is 100% IMPOSSIBLE in a building fire unless explosive charges were used. I’ve fought infernos, and never even recall seeing any steel red hot color. Thermite or thermate would have to be used to cut steel in order to provide molten steel or iron.
2. Previously molten iron balls were found in the dust from the twin towers, and molten pools of steel were noted by NYFD.
3. Bravo, the only liars I have heard are from the government. Who are you referring to as being liars about 9/11? The firefighter accounts all seem to be honest, and folks like AE911truth.org know what they are talking about. They are experts in their field like I am. It really saddens me that there are so many Americans who are to ignorant (lack the knowledge) to understand 9/11.
4. Any American who is ignorant enough to not understand that 9/11 was an inside job….needs to be extremely angry about the Patriot Act (at least), and the false wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan. We have killed way over ten times more civilians in those conflicts, than soldiers we lost in Vietnam (another false flag war).