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Socialists Like Naomi Klein Still Blaming “Free Market Ideology” For Economic Crisis
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Friday, February 6, 2009
Here is an excellent response to socialist luminary Naomi Klein’s latest article in which she again blames “free market ideology” as being responsible for the economic crisis, when in fact any cursorary study reveals that the anti-free market policies of the Federal Reserve, along with corporate fascism, not free-market capitalism, are the culprit.
RE: Naomi Klein: Public Revolt Builds Against Rip-off Rescue Plans for the Economy
“The pattern is clear: governments that respond to a crisis created by free-market ideology with an acceleration of that same discredited agenda will not survive to tell the tale. As Italy’s students have taken to shouting in the streets: “We won’t pay for your crisis!”
Klein’s “Pattern” = NONSENSE –> “Free-Markets” DO NOT EXIST under FASCISM
In fact the only solution Naomi Klein and her ilk offer is “nationalizing” money power under a corrupted Washington circus already run by Organized Corporate Crime (FASCISM) anyway. In other words more concentration of power in fewer hands. Exactly the sordid hands that now bankroll all play-actors at the Washington-MSM madhouse that rigged the financial crash to begin with.
Bad old “capitalism” coined by Karl Marx by definition requires real free markets (there are none) and real democracy (there is none). “Free-Market””Capitalism” as Klein’s boogeyman DOES NOT EXIST. It did not exist when Marx invented the word in the 1870s where monopoly robber barons ruled the earth.
It is FASCISM that clearly does exist to run virtually everything on the globe. Either Klein promotes decoy garbage by design or she offers serial incompetence. Either way the decoy artists of the world have zero answers for not getting the questions. Notice: the Naomi Kleins of the world never touch on the private Ponzi farce “Federal Reserve” Corp that was never federal with less than nothing for reserves. This criminal Fascist charade and others like it are the epicenter of every manmade crisis for hundreds of years.
When those “too small too save” have no place at the table, the “too big to fail” set are FASCISTS for FASCISM no matter what the label is, how packaged, “nationalized” or “de-regulated”. Beware those that point the finger at false boogymen to offer transparently phony solutions.
Without focusing on core issues humanity will be herded down an old tortured path to commit the same endless cycle of blood money horror for the same string-pullers. It is the 9/11 path of more extortion for extortionists that have cooked the scene from (as FDR said) “the days of Andrew Jackson”. We all know where that path leads.
By any name, it is the path of criminal insanity.
“banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency the banks will deprive the people of all property… The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.”
President Thomas Jefferson (In a letter to Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin, 1802)
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate monopoly charlatan “Colonel” Edward M. House, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and ruling class political fixer. House also handled President Wilson. 11/21/ l933 from “F.D.R.: His Personal Letters”)
“Competition is a sin…The ability to deal with people is as purchasable a commodity as sugar or coffee and I will pay more for that ability than for any other under the sun.”
John D. Rockefeller (Fascist cartel robber baron and promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act with the Rothschild bloc. Grandfather to David Rockefeller instigator of the World Bank and IMF. 1839-1937)
“Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not…The sack of the United States by the Fed is the greatest crime in history…The truth is the Fed has usurped the government. It controls everything here and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Chairman, House Banking & Currency Committee, charging a private “Federal Reserve” Corporation with conspiracy, fraud & treason. Congress, June 1934)
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February 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I was just watching the house of representatives, the so called representatives questioning the committee which was supposed to watch over the use of our tax money that was funnelled into the banking system to keep our economy alive. First off, the money we are spending to “float” our INTERNATIONAL BANKING INDUSTRY, we don’t even have, in fact we less than have this cash. We are already so indebted by this war, that we have begun to spend money our grandchildren’s kid’s won’t have even started to repay yet. This means that this borrowed money, owed by the taxpayer, is going to sit over the head of my neice, my precious little girl, all of her life. Every day until she retires, which is very far away, she will have to pay more taxes that her grandparents gave to these bankers, who are unnaccountable to her or us, to stabilize our economy. Alas, the money is being used to buy other banks and invest in personal corprate futures speculation, for the profit of these corrupt billionaires who are not worried about rent, or dinner this month anyway. Her children will still be under this blanket of debt our “representatives” are knitting. I’m not ok with that, but im hardcore anyway so you would be expected not to care, in my eyes. What I can’t believe you don’t care about, is that in congress, this comittee tells our “representatives” they don’t have any say over how the money is spent, and have the guts to SAY that “oh, the bankers must have figured out a better way to make money off this tax-fraud then to make loans and stimulate the economy. SO our congress is being told that they have no say over how the bankers spend your grandchildrens life savings, and both congress and this committe are completly at peace with this. All in the same decade that we are going under economically, where our government has become a totalitarian dictatorship, and where all the civilized nations are giving up thier freedoms for the umbrella of world government and the world market. These banks are the world market, these bankers actions represent the darwinian ideal of only the strong survive, except the whole world believes that the money IS the strength. We the people all over the world, us who control the power of production through our own wills, us who sit in our chairs and accept that the world is closing in on us, us who watch our leaders pass thier power on to thier children over and over and dare to call our nation a democracy. We the people who have been sold out by a system of greed and corruption, how dare we sit back and watch our childrens lives get sold down the drain, at a point in history when all the peices are in place for us to feed and clothe and shelter EVERYBODY, and spend the rest of eternity exploring the stars together as one race in this living gift of universes wrapped inside each other, with this cosmic orchastra playing in our ears, and our minds waking up to the words of prophets who screamed for man to live in peace throuout the ages, how dare we sit idly by and watch it get dashed against the concrete. How dare we be silent when faced with this apocalypse looming in front of our faces. In the words of the oft misportrayed Ghandi, “when faced with the choice between cowardice and violence, the only choice is violence”. You see, if we are cowards, our children are already dead. This is what I cant understand, I can see the wool over your eyes, and i’ll let it sit for your comfort to a point, but all of this is unfolding before your very eyes, your being rammed with a congressional dildo, and the committee which is supposed to make sure you stayed lubed up, isn’t even giving you any lube, but you don’t ask why it hurts. Alafia my brothers and sisters, dance the dance of shiva.
Social Viability Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
There’s NOTHING free in a market that is owned by a central bank.
damdatguy, you have every right to condemn our “representatives” for their treason in letting what was once the most prosperous nation on Earth get thoroughly looted.
However, the fact is that we are all complicit in destroying the future for our grandchildren and their children.
Any time we scamper out to vote in an election, we are supporting the regime that is destroying our standard of living and enslaving our children. The politicians (with very rare exception) are bought and paid for by those that fund the political system.
Any time we take out a mortgage or bank loan, we acquiesce to the central bankers’ usury. Whenever we use Federal Reserve notes, we allow their inflationary plunder.
We can keep whining about how our “representatives” have let us down or we can recognize that we can do something about it without their help.
If we stop using the filthy money that they supply to us, their banking system will dissolve. When we switch to an alternative currency the bankers will no longer be able to steal from us through inflation and usury. We will not be dependent upon them for credit and we will no longer be dictated to by the politicians that the bankers employ.
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February 6th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Lenin, in Imperialism – The Highest Stage of Capitalism, makes the point that capitalism had become monopolistic at the beginning of the 20th Century. Recommended reading for Naomi.
Responder. Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 7:23 am
Capitalism is just the private arm of the controlling centrally planned path.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Free market is just code for fascism. You’re right, a free market cannot work in a fascistic state, so, we are experiencing a fascist economy
February 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Klein is a very very intelligent woman…and an ally against the powers that be. But oh, she is a Jew, so I guess she must be the enemy right?
SmartHippie Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Good point Michael. Talk about throwing babies out with bathwater.
I have read both of Klein’s books, and the Shock Doctrine was extremely powerful and informative. It shows NWO tactics in play all over the world.
It provides many “case study” nations that all of us could learn from. For the first time we are in the cross hairs of the NWO, and Naomi is on the good side.
She plays it very coy on 911 truth, the only reason anyone could have to dislike her. But she has access to an audience that most truthers only get to see on TV.
She uses her access and good name to fight many tentacles of the NWO.
I will simply take the good stuff from Naomi and say thank you.
A few people around here would do well to crack a serious book once and awhile.
Jews, Christians, Muslims…..makes no difference to me. They are all the same in their belief of some magical sky god they have never seen. Willing to let this imaginary construct tell them how to live, and who to kill. True believers of any stripe are the biggest danger to our planet. Without them, the NWO would not exist or function.
Ha Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Wow….you really ARE clueless aren’t you.
SmartHippie Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Usually when I encounter a post I consider to be pure crap, I criticize the points, beliefs or arguments from the comment.
I may throw in an insult directly to the commenter just for fun, but to do so without actually addressing the issues in the comment……well that would just make me look clueless, and that would suck.
Ha.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
This website can now be officially called a right wing website. Alex Jones and his team of trained chimp bloggers are now exposing themselves for what they truly are. The reponse to Naomi Klein is farcical and shows that the writer has absolutely no understanding of Klein’s position. The author builds up a case by misrepresenting her thoughts. The author also shows a complete lack of knowledge about Capitalism and how it is really corporatism which is a weak form of Fascism. Naomi Klein places the blame of corporations and banks. Naomi Klein, in her books, shows clearly how the banks, corporations and the US government all work hand in hand for US imperialism. The author of this article spins, misrepresents and makes arguments that are contradictory. Naomi Klein is against capitalism (free market) and rightly so. Marxism on paper was good but when practiced it leads to evil communism. Capitalism on paper looks good, but when practiced it leads to evil corporatism. This is why alex jones and his trained right wing monkeys are hacks and shills. They always attack left wing ideology. They always attack those that attack capitalism and the free market. They also attack people who are against religion. They always use right wing talking points such as their talking points with immigration, global warming, protectionism etc. Alex Jones is a corporate hack owned and controlled by clear channel and GCN. Anyone who knows anything about clear channel knows that they are right wing extremists. Google who owns GCN. All the problems we face are caused by: corporations, banks, religious institutions and the corporate controlled government. What does alex jones want you to like? Free market and religion which means you come back full circle to who caused the problems in the first place. Alex Jones leads to religious protectionist corporatism which is the most dangerous mix you can have.
Alex Jewnes Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Wrong, this isn’t a “right wing” website. It’s a PATRIOTARD WEBSITE.
Big difference.
The patriotard movement is led by Jews and crypto-Jews. It’s a false front controlled oppostion movement. It’s purpose is to divert white people who might otherwise be attracted to White Nationalism and trap them in the false patriotard movement, spinning their wheels forever.
Seneca Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Official BS
“The reponse to Naomi Klein is farcical and shows that the writer has absolutely no understanding of Klein’s position… The author also shows a complete lack of knowledge about Capitalism ”
CAPITALISM (noun)
an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a FREE COMPETITIVE market and motivation by profit
(Encarta® World English Dictionary ©)
It is you who are “farcical” and clearly have “absolutely no understanding of Klein’s position” or of “capitalism”. But that’s what projection is, after all: Denial over ignorance and ego.
Here is Klein in her own words (Alternet):
Frel: “You don’t argue that economic elites try to cause disasters they reap the benefits from… they [economic elites] are only cynical enough to take advantage of catastrophe.”
Klein: “I think that’s right…I don’t say that anyone is causing these disasters for their benefit, but in the book I do say that if there’s anything the market delivers on is a stream of increasingly intense disasters…”
So in effect, Klein argues “intense disasters” are a random result of “capitalism” and free “markets” (which do NOT exist) that somehow produce more “disaster capitalism”. And hence, according to Klein – Organized Corporate Crime (FASCISM) is a non-issue. Presto chango. By basic logic and definition of terms alone Klein’s thesis is utter drivel that lacks basic junior high-school level common sense let alone any understanding of economic history. Klein, etc, also lets the criminal ruling class completely off the hook. (Gee, I wonder why)
And in case someone might think the ruling class isn’t real, try Einstein’s quote on for size. (Good luck for those who want to claim he was a “right wing extremist”).
“The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.”
Doctor Albert Einstein (in a letter to Sigmund Freud 7/30/1932. 1879-1955)
Seneca is a damn Idiot Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
1) Your definition of Capitalism is the definition of the myth. In reality it is quite different. It is not free and upward social mobility is as fixed today as it was 500 years ago, literally fixed. Capitalism on paper and how it turned out is just like marxism on paper turned out to be communism. The seeds of its own destruction lie in Capitalism because it causes companies to group up together and in the end you have a few mega corps ruling it all and choking any new competition.
2) You took one quote from naomi Klein. Anyone who has read her books and who have half a brain know that she gives great detail about corporate caused catastrophes and how they swoop in. Also talks about how American companies such as Ford would torture employees in Venezuelan factories. The list is long. So either you have not read her and just read the talking points against her or you are a lying right wing hack.
Seneca Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 4:14 am
Peanut Gallery Trolls & MoonBats Have Come Out…
“1) Your definition of Capitalism is the definition of the myth. In reality it is quite different…”
Nooo…. my definition is the dictionary kind that I cited – in detail. “Reality” is something you obviously have little to no connection to.
No doubt you keep your own moonbat dictionary next to the Kool-Aid bathtub where you play captain of your fart bubble navy. “Capitalism” was coined by Karl Marx in the 1870s where it DID NOT EXIST anymore than it exists today. Marx’s time was dominated by ruling class charlatan robber barons that ran governments like toy poodles. As rigged and extorted as the FASCIST system we live under today is, brilliant people can and do succeed (against the odds) in a way that was virtually impossible “500 years ago” when Europe was barely out of the Middle Ages and into the Reformation. While that does not excuse the Fascist system rigged over the globe – you clearly know less than nothing on this issue.
The founders of America certainly believed in “upward mobility” as was proven out by Benjamin Franklin who rose from nothing to become not just wealthy but a key leader of the American Revolution that Franklin affirmed was fought against the King George III as a tool of the “international bankers”.
“2) You took one quote from naomi Klein. Anyone who has read her books…”
The quote is NOT taken out of context and explains the bottom-line rationale behind Naomi Klein’s thinking on “disaster capitalism” as she admits word-for-word. I have “read her books” including her reputation-maker “Shock Doctrine: the Rise of Disaster Capitalism”. Poor work at best and propaganda at worst.
The “great detail about corporate caused catastrophes and how they swoop in” you insist Klein exposes is at best, skin-deep and in NO WAY qualifies as “great detail” in depth or scope as to the causes of any manmade crisis including our current financial crash which Klein (again) has attributed to NON-EXISTANT “capitalism” that CANNOT and DOES NOT EXIST under de facto FASCISM which is the prevailing system.
By the same token, detailed accounts on the true culprit in FASCIST policy have been explored in by the likes of economist-historians Antony Sutton (Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, etc) Murray Rothbard (the Case Against the Fed, etc) and F. William Engdahl (A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order) among others.
Again, you speak well beyond your competence here. In the end I’m not that interested in feeding witless trolls. So you’d best fold your tiny mindset and run along back under the bridge where you belong.
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Seneca you are a damn fool. You try and pass yourself off as an intellectual but you are nothing else than a hack. You have not read Klein and it shows. She does give a precise and detailed account. If you limited intellect can only listen to Jones and clips on YouTuibe then your problem. I have done the readings and the research. I have written about it. I have debated the issues with people of great intellect. You sir are at best someone who is starting out in geo-politics. Your terminology is so skewed. Yoiu are not equipped to talk about these important matters because you do not even understand the basic framework.Everything comes down to fascism with you. Nice alex jones buzz word. Capitalism eventually turns into Corporatism. no way around that. Corporatism is a form, weak form, of fascism. You just want to ascribe other reasons why Capitalism is failing. You are just like communists in Russia still holding dear to their marxist theory saying it was not done properly. You are a dolt. You have no skills or knowledge so please shut you ignorant mouth and let the big boys do their thing. Bye bye little man
JT Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 11:31 am
The definition of capitalism should read something like this:
CAPITALISM (noun)
an economic system based on the private control of necessities and their distribution, characterized by a free competitive market that only the wealthy and powerful participate in and motivated by profit derived from the exploitation of unfree, disempowered, labor.
Right On Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Here. Here! Well put.
Right On Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
I meant to say that I agree wholeheartedly with ‘It is official’. I am regular listener but AJ et al constantly misrepresent and mis-characterize the facts. It was especially enlightening to hear Alex get completely OWNED by that Lawyer he had on the other day regarding the woman who spilled tomato juice. The Lawyer rightfully stated his case utterly convincingly and also added for good measure that the LA Times got a few particulars wrong which OFTEN happens in reporting meaning that AJ et al cannot simply continue to cite THOUSANDS OF ARTICLES (a total misrepresentation and an IMPOSSIBILITY due to media consolidation) on any particular issue and present them as the hand delivered truth. These articles have to check out firstly and AJ should know that but he choses to ignore it.
Responder. Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
This site fights the Right Wing [ esp the neo conservatives ] every single day! So you are obviously talking nonsense here. Furthermore: the entire notion of Right vs Left has long since been exposed as a false paradigm as it is really elite vs the common folk.
Pot Luver Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Alex Jones says to invest in gold & silver and not in to the wall street pyramid scheme.
Personal possession of assets far out way the risk of placing trust in corrupt banking
institutions that are not accountable for their losses due to lack of government oversight
and their complicity in empowering robber banker barons to loot Americans of their
savings through inflation and outright manipulation of money markets. A.J. says that
the only way they can take away your hard earned savings placed into solid assets
such as gold & silver in your hands is to take it away from you at gun point.
Gold & silver is not religious nor is it right wing or left wing whatchamacallits; it’s just
gold & silver.
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Alex jone says…alex jones says….alex jones says….Alex Jones is a damn fraud and liar and you guys treat him like he is a genius. The man cannot even debate rationally with anyone. He goes on rants and fake outrage. He rarely has anyone on his show that disagrees and when he does, he insults them, cuts them off and throws baby tantrums. The man is the Bill O’Reilly of right wing conspiracy theory radio. The man does not have an intellectual cell in his body.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Free Market laissez faire ideology leads to war crimes in over 60 countries in the last 60 years. Fascism pure and simple and this website revels in ignorance by promoting this evil ideology.
Officially a Douche Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Yes sir – you are a douche. Officially a douche.
Responder. Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
The free market system does not exist anywhere in the world & never has as you are deliberately conflation the the High Finance Capitalist system with the Free Market system which the State & the Capitalists have PREVENTED from ever being established because if the Free Market system was ever established they would loose their monopoly of the economic sector & their political power.
Idiots everywhere Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Are you guys are idiots???? The free market cannot exist because it eventually always turns to monopoly. You guys sound just like the communists who say that communism failed because it was not properly implemented. Communism failed because it is a flawed system that leads to oligarchies. Same thing with capitalism. It is a failed system that will be replaced. It is hard to discuss rationally with people on this site because you are all so religiously indoctrinated. It is normal to believe in stupid theories proposed by alex jones and the free market ideologues when you believe in a 2000 year old space god that went on a suicide mission to the middle east, died and was resurrected. How can you argue with people who hold dear to the notion of creationism and that the earth is 5000 years old.
Responder. Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Capitalism is not the Free Market. The free market is the open & free exchange of good & services. Not this corporate & state controlled fascist system in place. The free market can work because the corporations could never usurp the rights of the people as the people have the inherent momentum to prevent that from occurring due to their rightful representation within this fairer system due to their numbers & the equitable purchasing power & influence which is inherent in an open & free system of exchange. No one could ever monopolize within such a system as the would be monopolist could NEVER be sustained in the face of the executable power of the common folk.
JT Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Responder,
“The free market is the open & free exchange of good & services.”
If this is true, how do you explain crises of overproduction where the exchange of goods is restricted because it is no longer profitable?
The freedom to destroy freedom is not freedom, it is domination. Penetrate the doublespeak.
JT Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Responder,
What kind of BS is “equitable purchasing power & influence”? Last time I checked, very few people are billionaires. So who’s got the influence and how is it equitable?
Wise up.
Seneca Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Official Bunk
“Free Market laissez faire ideology” whatever its flaws has ZERO to do with Fascist foreign policy executed by monopoly corporate crime. (Generally executed by tools such as the CIA via at least 20 democracies overthrown since WW2).
Accusations of “right wing” extremism here and most issues on this site are complete nonsense.
Sorry but it is you who “revels in ignorance” and spreads it as tortured gospel.
Seneca is an Idiot Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Seneca you are an idiot!!! The free market cannot exist because it eventually always turns to monopoly. You guys sound just like the communists who say that communism failed because it was not properly implemented. Communism failed because it is a flawed system that leads to oligarchies. Same thing with capitalism. It is a failed system that will be replaced. It is hard to discuss rationally with people on this site because you are all so religiously indoctrinated. It is normal to believe in stupid theories proposed by alex jones and the free market ideologues when you believe in a 2000 year old space god that went on a suicide mission to the middle east, died and was resurrected. How can you argue with people who hold dear to the notion of creationism and that the earth is 5000 years old.
Seneca Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 4:30 am
IDIOT in the MIRROR Projects…
“Communism failed because it is a flawed system that leads to oligarchies.”
Wrong again. The fantasy of “Communism” as defined by Karl Marx NEVER EXISTED.
“Same thing with capitalism.”
“Capitalism” by definition, does NOT exist although monopoly criminal Fascism certainly does.
“It is a failed system that will be replaced.”
Phony “capitalism” replaced by what, oh mindless one? This should be a real knee-slapper.
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
You are a complete and total idiot seneca. If you were to take a test on political ideologies you would fail miserable. You cannot even define basic terms and you think you understand the system. TRuly pathetic!!!!! that is what you get with no education and heavy inbreeding.
JT Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Who enforces contracts in this “free” society? The state; the courts, and when that fails, the police. Who does the state serve? The wealthy and powerful.
Whether it is latent or active, it is still fascism.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
The audacity of these Cultural Marxist never ceases to amaze me. If naomi and the many others of her ilk dislike free market Capitalism than they should go and live with thier Communsit friends in North Korea or Russia, but they will not because they lack any form of integrity or decency. The (Left wing) loonies are really running the asylum.
It is Official Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
You are an ignorant dolt! You are just like the right wingers! The left wants to eliminate torture, the right tells the left to go live with their terrorists friends. You are laughable sir! Naomi Klein advocates for a mixed market system where government regulates the excesses and prosecutes the crimes of corporations. Just like the justice system prosecutes civilians when they break the law. To equate her with North Korea and Russia shows how little you know and how deluded and insane you really are. The right wing has been destroying America for the past 40 years and the left is now to blame? What freaking reality do you live in???????
Right On Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Ah, dude…lets not get carried away the so-called “left” is just as guilty if not more so. The “right” just do it out in the open for everyone while the “left” sneaks around in the dark. You need a third part and destroy every last vestige of the doctrines and connections from the democrats and republicans.
JT Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Better yet, why don’t YOU go live where it rains white phosphorus that your tax dollars paid for?
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
You are an idiot. You make no sense. You sound just like a idiot republican telling you to love it or leave it. Go f yourself
February 6th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
How does taking more than half of a person’s income (IRS+inflation tax) make this a free market system? People are not free to keep the products of their own labor but rather have it forcefully diverted by the government to the pockets of the ultra-wealthy. Having more rules, regulations and restrictions on every facet of our lives than any person could ever even read does not make this a free market. Having government force us to use the fiat currency of a private bank for one half of every trade we make does not make this a free market.
It is Official Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Free market never has and never will exist because capitalism in its very nature is totalitarian. If you would reduce the size of government to the smallest size possible you would have big business fill in the void in the power vacuum. Big business is totalitarian. We do not control it. Our government is democratic and in theory we control it. The reason we don’t is because the corps control it for themselves. They use it for themselves. Therefore it does not work for us. Then we start to hate government. Alex Jones, Ron Paul, the right wing and the corps tell you to hate government because they are the problem. People start to hate government not fully knowing that they hate the government because of corporate control. Government becomes smaller smaller and big business gets bigger and bigger. The wealth start to polarize into rich and poor and the middle class disappears. Are you guys all insane!!!! Do not hate the government, it is the only democratic institution we have!!! How many people have died for this country and our government!!! Our ancestors did not die for the totalitarian corps!!! They died for freedom and the government that defends it!!! Anyone that wants to reduce government and hand over their future freedoms to the corps deserve no freedom!!!!! We need to get religion and corporations out of the government!!! That does not mean destroy them both. It only means that they should not run the show! The rational democratic will of the people must be obeyed. I know many of you hate the government but truly open your eyes and see that the reason you hate it is because of its actual form which is controlled by the corps. Fight the corps! Fight the banks! Fight for democracy!
KevinAbt Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
A democratic government does not necessarily produce freedom. 51% of the voters can decide that 10% of the population will be serfs working without pay for the ‘benefit of society’. That wouldn’t be free, but it would be democratic. Through democratic decision of the government a country could choose to confiscate 95% of every person’s income. It would be a democratic decision, but it would not be freedom.
What you’re saying is that you want a government that steals on your behalf, rather than on the behalf of someone else. You’re not saying you want freedom.
The US was founded as a limited constitutional republic. Where the rights of every individual were protected from infringement by either the government or other individuals. This goal was often not successfully achieved, but it was the intention. Following the constitution would have generally protected peoples’ freedoms. This gradually morphed in to a democracy that took away people’s freedoms by majority vote. Then that morphed into a corrupt small group of people that took control of government under the cover of majority election and are not taking away peoples’ freedoms (including their physical wealth) for their own benefit. The answer is to decentralize and remove the power to take away freedoms from the unaccountable government.
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Of course the US is a democratic constitutional republic. The rule of law should always be applied. The democratic part is more for elections rather than establishing laws or removing rights from certain people.
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
If government is small, the corps will fill the power vacuum and rule instead. We need a strong central government free of religious and corporate control BUT we also need and independent market. A sort of “Social Capitalism”. I just know that every ism out there right now has failed completely except mixed markets. Maybe we need to engineer mixed market models and make things more free and less totalitarian. I just know that we need a strong democratic constitutional government for by and of the people. People do not died defending corps, people die to defend freedom and to defend their country.
KevinAbt Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
I think the republic was founded on the idea of individual sovereignty and voluntary interactions. Every person was master of their own self and property, and they were free to do as they liked so long as they didn’t infringe on anyone else’s sovereignty. All forms of trade were voluntary rather than forced, and very little was outlawed or restricted (once again, so long as the action didn’t harm or infringe on the rights of others). Government was established to enforce those limited ideas. That is what libertarians mean by limited government.
The most common misunderstanding people seem to have about libertarianism is that they drop the part about not infringing on others’ rights. They mistakenly characterize libertarianism as anarchy where anyone is free to do anything no matter what, when really the concept is that anyone can do what they want so long as it doesn’t hurt others. This is a VERY big difference.
In a libertarian form of government (like the one which was attempted under the constitution), corporations who start trampling on peoples’ rights would be breaking the law and brought to justice under the government who’s role is to stop infringement of rights. What we have now is a government that assists those corporations in the trampling of peoples’ rights, particularly theft of property and denying people use of their property.
The libertarian solution is to stop infringing on peoples’ rights. Whether it is the government or businesses or individuals who do it. Infringing peoples’ rights would be outlawed. Currently government is by far the greatest destroyer of our rights. Halting all its infringing activities would definitely make it much smaller.
Idiots everywhere Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 12:02 am
1) LOL You just mischaracterized Anarchy by saying it means you can do anything you want no matter what. This is so wrong. Shame on you. Anarchy is a system of voluntary individuals working in mutual cooperation. Many different groups all interacting in good faith. No laws but your freedom ends where someone else`s begins.
2) You need a strong central government for the basics: justice, education, health, army, security, diplomacy, etc. Then you need a strong market that is controlled and limited by that government. Bosses used to make 20 times the average worker. Now it is 350 times. Business needs to be restrained otherwise they control all spheres.
3) Are you aware that libertarianism has a different definition in the US than in the rest of the world? Are you also aware that what is called left in America is actually centrist everywhere else. Be careful when using definitions.
KevinAbt Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 4:04 am
1.Then what you call anarchism would just be what I call libertarianism except that in (your definition of) anarchism none of the laws are written down and there is no government to enforces them.
2. You don’t need a central government for education. To illustrate this pick up a book, read it, and you are now more educated. all without any government involvement. You don’t need it for health care either. As far as wealth inequality goes, the government is more responsible for unfair wealth distribution than anything else. Most people want as much money as they can get. If they can get huge incomes by voluntarily trading with other people than there is no harm and its a good thing. If they get that income by stealing it via government action than there is a problem, because that is robbery. Right now we have some of both. You make the mistake of thinking that the government can or will solve your problems for you. If you’re not getting paid enough you shouldn’t go to the government to have them force other people to pay you more, that is theft too. Find some way of getting a higher income without stealing. Unfortunately right now the government is blocking people from freely pursueing a high income by fair means. They take a huge chunk of everything you earn and put all kinds of restrictions on how you can trade with other people and how you can use your own property. Government will always be hijacked by powerful interests (like it is right now) and then will be used to unfairly steal from us and destroy their competition. The only safe thing to do is keep the violent force of government out of our business as much as possible to increase our freedom and reduce the theft and interference.
3. I defined libertarianism as I know it here in the US, how is it defined in the rest of the world?
The Other 99 Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Idiots, I agree with your central thesis. The democratic processes we have in government are one of the only levers we citizens have to influence the direction our nation will go. Conversely, coprporations are fundamentally un-democratic institutions who use the government as a tool to help them externalize their costs and internalize the profits. When the spokesmen from the right say they want small government what they really are saying is that they want small government insofar as it’s ability to restrict corporations from doing as they please. The problem is not simply big government, but BAD GOVERNMENT. And who exactly are “the left” in this country? Kucinich and Bernie Sanders maybe two or three others? The difference between Republicans and Democrats on the issues that really count is not worth talking about. Those party names do not mean what they used to.
You should expect a strong element of right wing thought on sites like these as what has come to be known as the “truth movement” originated from the right. If your purpose is to persuade, you should be able to make your point civilly without resorting to name-calling and animal analogies or else the whole thing quickly degenerates into a mindless flame war.
KevinAbt Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 4:13 am
The current system we have is basically: “tax someone else, give it to me”. And all groups are scrambling to be the one on top doing the taking while trying to keep themselves from being ripped off. Large corporations have been more successful at this because they have the resources to buy off the politicians. But individuals do this too. Every chance they get individuals will try to take as much as they can while giving back as little as possible. Take the recent SCHIP expansion for example. It isn’t being funded by everyone equally (democratically). The politically stronger group (non-smokers) is sticking the politically weaker smokers with the all the costs. This isn’t fair and it isn’t free. It is an unapportioned tax, the constitution used to specifically forbid this because it always transfers wealth from one group to another.
Not everyone who wants smaller government is from the “right”. The ones who want just themselves freed up and enriched aren’t really proponents of freedom, they are just more of the people who want everyone else to be taxed except them. A genuinely free market advocate would want all taxes and restrictions removed from everyone, not just themselves.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
RIGHT ON, great article…
but use spell check.
A misspelling like “cursorary”, in your opening paragraph undermines your cred, and Ms. Klein’s left leaning supporters will likely drop off before getting to the meat of the argument.
and they DO need to read good stuff like this.
It is Official Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Damn you are a fool. The writer of this article shows a clear lack of knowledge or understanding. Have you read, analyzed, reseached and written about any of her books? I have and in depth. This article seems like high school drivel compared to what she has to say. This article looks like a lame post you could find on YouTube. Fans of this site barely show any intelligence and they grasp at anything written by anyone as long as it comforts them in their preconceived notions.
Charles Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Must agree with you, It is Official, most of the people who post here seem somewhat right wing, and some down right retarded…
Just like a broken clock, they are allowed to be right twice a day though…
If these people would get off their asses, stop bitching, and pick up their pitchforks and torches, and actually go march on Washington… it MIGHT make a difference.
2+2 Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Your officially a douche.
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Typical dumb ass response. Empty of content and intelligence. Just a typical right winger insulting because he has nothing to say because he knows nothing.
KevinAbt Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
I read some of her books and her ten steps to fascism. She is correct about many things, but she can’t define or recognize what freedom or a free market are. And yet she blames the free market for the current banking problem and calls for cutting back on our freedoms rather than addressing the root of the problem (fractional reserve banking of a fiat currency that is being rapidly inflated and which gives a small group of powerful people incredible control over the economy and government).
February 6th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
lol, yours truly didn’t vote for him, and not because he was a black man… I didn’t vote for him, because he sold us all on the idea of getting out of the war machine… and then turned around and said he was going to expand out into Afghanistan. So, he proved himself a liar, right there in my eyes. So, the vote here went for Paul… Ron Paul.
That gives me the right to say whatever the hell I wish.
The economy will never get rolling again, the bailouts only help the banks, and the uber rich… rewarding them with money stolen from us, our children, our children’s children, and their children…
We are being stolen from, in the name of *salvation*…when it’s really looking more like Obamanation.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
semantics. klein is a very intelligent anti-impeialist brave human who against the odds has stood up the us press corp and the rest of the world stating that our current system is broke and disaster capitalism and friedman economics is ruining the world. PP needs to read the shock doctrine – a book they quoted just this week to prove a point that Obama is using this tactic of “shock”…
February 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Alex Jones and his cronies attacks Noam Chomsky and Naomi Klein. These two individuals have written extensively about US and Israeli crimes. These two individuals have written about the corrupt media and the fascist corps. Yet these two individuals are trashed by alex jones and his fans. why? Because they are against the free market and the corps. Because they are not religious right wing ideologues.
Admin Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Yes I believe you are correct. “It is Official” is officially a douche.
PS I love the new way to leave replies. It is so much easier.
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Typical dumb ass response. Empty of content and intelligence. Just a typical right winger insulting because he has nothing to say because he knows nothing. You trained chimps are like clones.
Peter B Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
It’s official is certainly a douche. She has no understanding of the Ideology and philosophy which blindly guides contempory Left wing politics. Time to wake up to the Cultural Marxist, you poor misguided fool.
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
You are a pure and unrestrained idiot. You have not read her books because I doubt you could finish reading a book without pictures. All you idiots seem to know is that jews are vil, abolish the fed and bring in the free market. You guys are idiots that have no clue what is happening in the world. You listen to dumbass inbred Jones and you think you are all geo-political geniuses. To get a good understanding you would need to read hundreds of books. Not watching alex jones movies and YouTube clips or “articles” written by alex jones’ trained team of chimp bloggers. You probably never read books. If you are calling Klein a Marxist then you are guilty just like every other fool on this site. You throw words around and everyone with ant intelligence can see you do not understand the meaning of those words.
because they hate Reply:
February 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
they post that stuff because they have never read this book…
Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America
by Brigitte Gabriel
From Publishers Weekly
With strident confidence, American Congress for Truth founder Gabriel rebukes the American public for being “weak, asleep or careless” in the face of Muslim terrorism. A Christian survivor of the vicious civil war between Lebanese Christians and Muslims in the 1970s, Gabriel leans on her own terrifying experiences to condemn Muslims, without apparent regard for their ethnicity, ideology or historical role. Consistently using the words “Muslim” and “Arab” as if they were interchangeable, she concludes that the U.S. is “facing total destruction” at the hands of people who are uncultured and cruel, and prescribes such solutions as “profile, profile and profile,” and banning “hate education” in Islamic institutions. Though her writing is eloquent and her passion tremendous, Gabriel’s strict dichotomy between “evil versus goodness” is too extreme to be informative. Readers will be forced to decide whether or not to accept her heart-felt bias. (Oct.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
Review
“Brigitte Gabriel eloquently reminds America what is truly at stake in this struggle against terrorism: our families, our way of life, and our hopes. Ms. Gabriel’s personal account of her own experience is riveting, compelling and spellbinding. This is a must read for the entire American public . . . This book contains monumental revelations that will shock and disturb you. But it is also a story of an indomitable spirit–Brigitte’s– that will move you.”
–Steve Emerson, author of American Jihad: The Terrorists Living Amongst Us, Executive Director, the Investigative Project on Terrorism
“A compelling and captivating personal story with a powerful lesson about threats to freedom in our time.”–R. James Woolsey, Director of Central Intelligence, 1993-95
“Brigitte Gabriel’s story is at once intensely personal and possessing global significance . . . the story of her family and her childhood encapsulates the threat that faces the entire free world today. Brigitte Gabriel’s words should be read, and studied carefully, by all the law enforcement and government officials of the West — as well as by everyone who values freedom.” — Robert Spencer, author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)
KevinAbt Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Most of the corporations who work very closely with the government are not operating in a free market. They are operating in a forcefully controlled market wherein the government use the violent force of law to steal from people and restrict their actions in order to benefit the corporations.
Chompsky and Klein point out many of the key features of the system we live under but omit others (either because they don’t understand or because they have an agenda). It seems that they are willing to challenge the system, but only up to a point. They are unwilling to fully explore the full nature of the system and it often feels like they are pulling their punches and diverting blame away from the true culprits. This may not be intentional, it is a complex, frightening and dangerous system and many people can’t fully grasp it, for whatever reason.
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:16 am
From your post I know you have not read many Chomsky books or Naomi Klein. I have read around 30 books by Chomsky. I have also read Klein. I can tell you that you are far from presenting them in a good way. You do not seem to know what is happening. Government is not forcing anything on the free market, the market has always forced the government not to interfere and when they did interfere it should always be for the corps. The control government from a to z. Most laws are drawn up by lobbyists. The erason we are in a mess is because of deregulation of everything and especially the media. The banks and the corps want to control everything. They make government act for them. Then you hate government because of it. This reduces government and the corps control even more. Can you not see this simple fact?
KevinAbt Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 4:24 am
“Government is not forcing anything on the free market”…
You don’t think that having half of your income taken from you is done by force? Do you think that requiring everyone to use federal reserve notes for all their transactions isn’t done by force? You think that the more than 1 million laws, regulations and restrictions on every activity imaginable is not being done by force? You even said yourself that the government does interfere in the market on behalf of the corporations (which I totally agree with). What you’ve just said here isn’t even internally consistent.
In a free market corporations would only control their own property, just like everyone else. With the assistance of government they (and others) are able to also control everything and everyone else. And then no one is free and no one controls their own property or destiny and all power is concentrated in the state. You seem to think that if only “we” could get control of that power, then “we” could use it to reshape society the way that “we” want it to be rather than the way that “they” want it to be. That then “we” would be on the winning side of the stealing and enslaving rather than the losing side. This kind of mentality creates a permanent struggle for power and an endless string of abuses, errors, corruption and problems. A better mentality would be to respect other peoples’ property and rights and to stop stealing from them and stop trying to control them. That would be freedom for everyone.
Corporations on their own (without government backing) are nothing more than salesmen. Just tell them no and stop buying from them and there would be no way they could take anything from you. When they have an IRS agent collecting on their behalf you can’t say no though.
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
You are like the communist apologists. Capitalism will always lead to monopolies and they will always strive for oligarchies. If you have a capitalist mentality, it cannot do any other thing than strive for power and control. It is so easy to grasp. Capitalism is a failure. A complete failure. We need a new system. period.
KevinAbt Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Only two kinds of monopolies have existed. The most common is the monopoly that results from government interference, granting one compnay exclusive rights to do a certain thing thus preventing anyone else from competing (post office, federal reserve, copy rights, education system). Privately established monopolies that work within a free market system of voluntary exchanges and open entry very rarely come about, and if they do it is usually temporary. They only lasts as long as the monopoly supplier can out compete all potential competition. This is good for the consumer because they get the best price then, if the monopoly provider starts jacking up the prices they soon lose business to new companies that can provide the same service at lower cost thus breaking the monopoly.
Striving for power and control is normal and not a bad thing, it is how civilization grows and improves. So long as people don’t use force or infringe other peoples’ rights in their pursuit then no one gets hurt. When this striving for power and control because destructive is when people start to use violence and coersion to get their way rather than peaceful means. Government is violence and coercion, and very often businesses and people co-opt it to get their power and control at the expense of others.
The US was by and large a mostly free market system (capitalism, if you want to label it that). And under that system the greatest wealth and prosperity in the history of the world has been created (that prosperity is being rapidly undermined by the removal of freedom now though). Do you consider this to be failure?
February 6th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
So Naomi gets a PASS from me…she is intelligent and those in the Truth moves should let her knowledge Evolve as yours has…
KevinAbt Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Maybe. Klein was interviewed at length by Lew Rockwell not long ago. He went into great detail about how the federal reserve works and the nature of the crisis that is currently going on. Judging from this article the information seems to have gone in one ear and out the other.
February 6th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
@it is official
do you really have to be such a brickhead? how much of an idiot do you really have to be to systematically belong [religiously] to a political ideology like communism where EVERY symptom is yet another “opportunity” to put down free market?
what kind of an idiot? officially on record… you are that idiot.
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
The fact you think I am a commie shows how dumb and inbred you really are!!! Where in the world do you get I am a commie? Do you even know what the word means? You sound just like the commies defending their failed system corrupted system. I am against “isms”. I am against religion. We need new systems and a new age of intellectual thought. Inbred hicks like you do not help the discussion by throwing empty ridiculous demonizing insults. You do these things because you are empty of both knowledge and intelligence. You do not even have anything to say other than insults. No content for your criticisms. Just empty headed drivel. I do not belong to any religion, philosophy or political system. I have never voted and never will until the system gets truly overhauled. I research and debate with others about how to transform and evolve our society into the next great phase. You and idiots like you revel in your ignorance and wallow in it like pigs wallow in mud. You throw insults around using buzz words and accusing others of religious rigidity and offer no proof or debate or any concrete solutions. It is clear that you are a hindrance to humanity. You are not equipped for critical thinking. Good day little man
February 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Alex Jones spends more time with the commies than Naomi Klein
February 6th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Alex Jones is a sellout
February 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
I predict Alex Jones will have an “accident” in the near future.
stu Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
without a doubt
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Alex Jones will never get killed. Clear Channel controls GCN. Look up who owns GCN. Google it! Alex Jones is a right wing ideologue masquerading as a truther. He has a right wing religious agenda. Alex Jones always claims to have predicted 911 but the truth is that Bill Cooper predicted this one month earlier.One month later, Alex Jones parots this and claims it as his own. Couple of months later cooper murdered by police. Alex is safe. He is a shill.
Alex Jewnes Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
No, the important thing about Alex Jones is that his wife is Jewish.
That is where his protection comes from.
The entire Patriotard Movement and 9/11 Truth Movement are false front controlled opposition movements. These movements are led by Jews, crypto-Jews, and people who have Jewish spouses, such as Alex Jones.
The entire Patriot “movement” is a false flag. Beware.
Responder. Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Neither Alex Jones nor Bill Cooper predicted 911 first. The Web Bot Project predicted it first before either of them. Alex Jones sure as hell is not right wing because he espouses views which are the antithesis of the right wing.
February 6th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
alex is this and alex is that… riiiight. Alex belongs to a freedom group, go look up at who all is in this group. Yea thats right the one with a former chinese prisoner now spokesperson and member of the same freedom movement. Get out of here nanny state idiots.
February 6th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Obama will be a one term president………he isn’t wise enough to fight for right…He passed the first pork barrel stimulus and he is going to sign the second pork barrel……and after our economy has been completely ruined our rotten leaders will vote us into the NWO order banking system …. whether we like it or not…..people are calling their reps and telling them not to vote on this ridiculous bill……..
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
You show how brainwashed you are. The MSM has been crying pork while in reality the pork they are talking about is 2% of the bill. A study just came out, republicans were given a 2 to 1 platform to spew their propaganda in the MSM in the last two weeks. The corporate media allowed twice as much people on to bash Obama and the plan. The reason is obvious, the corps (the right wing) does not want this. They want other tax cuts for the rich like Bush gave in the last 8 years.
February 6th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Makes me chuckle, these armchair warriors who post these constant calls to arms, urging people to take action. While they themselves are quite happy to let someone else make the sacrifice. Unless you’re a leader, you’ll have to be content to wait until things reach boiling point. Gun-loving Americans should leave their toys exactly where they belong and think again
February 6th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Isn’t it amusing that Obama + Nation sounds a LOT like abomination? xD
February 6th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
I’ve read Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine and she hit the nail right on the head in that book. She is a smart lady and a friend to those who love freedom from corporate slavery.
The only problem I have with her is that she is still stuck in the left/right paradigm.
Seneca Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Citing the obvious is not “hitting the nail right on the head”. Her book is LIMITED HANGOUT (look it up). She is clearly being allowed to promote her supposed “attacks” on the status quo that are actually elitist ruling class friendly views for a reason.
Do some basic R & D. Please get a ghost of a clue before you post.
FreeBooteR Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Nice buzzword. I read from a great many sources and don’t allow my judgement to be coloured from only one source. Think critically for a change and grow up and move out of your mom’s basement.
Seneca Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 5:26 am
Wow… Another hero at his very own bathtub. And supported by Naomi Klein, no less. I could trade barbs but why bother? If this is the best you’ve got you should quit while you’re behind.
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
You couldn’t trade barbs with a mentally handicapped child on your best day. The fact you trash Naomi Klein speaks volumes about your level of intelligence. Go drown yourself in the shallow end of the gene pool.
stu Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Seneca, how long has AJ been saying martial law is coming, 13 years or so? Just keep buying from his sponsors and go back to sleep.
February 6th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
You right wing idiots you listen to this. Truthers should listen to this.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour.....watch.html
Responder. Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 6:59 am
PBS. Ha ha ha ha. Talk about a corporate controlled limited hangout.
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Your response is enough to tell me that you are a blind dumb ass uneducated piece of trash that listens only to view points that comfort you in your world view. Bill Moyers is THE best journalist out there and has spread more truth that you can imagine or comprehend.
February 6th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Free trade should NOT mean ‘Free Reign’. The only thing free trade needs is a level playing field. This ‘doublespeak’ is how environmental rape has occurred.
February 6th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Interesting…where did my post go, A-lex? It couldn’t have been nearly as inflammatory as itisofficial or idiotsabound. So why? That’s okay, if you restore it, it proves what I already surmised, if you don’t, c’est la meme chose, n’est pas? Update: Comments may disappear when they are flagged as veritas.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
As my hero SPOCK said so eloquently… “Fascinating!”
February 6th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
right wing…. rofl. You nwo TOOLS dont even know what you spew, naomi is a cultivated tool just like the shills here … unknowingly.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Like I said before- TAIL-CHASING. A tactic used to obfuscate and confuse. I knew something was just not…right about the feel of this site, and I hope that itisofficial and idiotsabound are actual posters, rather than tail-chasers themselves.
Idiots Abound Reply:
February 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Real poster buddy. Real Truther. Completely non-ideological and non religious.
stu Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Most of the comments against Naomi Klein are from the prison planet staff. These losers get so hurt when someone refuses to come on their show. 90% of the guests on the AJ show have an agenda, be it selling books or dvd’s, their agenda is obvious.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
left-right wings lol, bunch of shill tools.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
I know this is juvenile but… don’t Alex and Rush bear a striking resemblance?
February 6th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
real truther= seeking uninhibited truth not BOXED truth dumbass.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
boxed truth = kleptocratz/neocons = boxed “truth”
February 6th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Even more fun, and damning… Idiots Abound, YOUR post got INSERTED WITHIN my multi-part diatribe! DOH!!!
February 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
So, how long before this Article is PULLED? Or, DO THEY CARE??? LMFAO!!!
February 6th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Check this out!! it worth’s it!!
Obama’s occult nomination ceremony!!
http://911truth-sherbrooke.org.....-ceremony/
February 6th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Caution!! You must see this video!!! Bush makes a satanic ritual!! (this is not a joke)
http://911truth-sherbrooke.org.....ot-a-joke/
February 6th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
And yet we remain…
February 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
do you notice how frantic these kleptocrat shills are with the naomi klein article? why are you guys so into collectivism? the borg has emerged lol.
February 7th, 2009 at 12:49 am
lets see Mr. Tyson seams that he knows everything. Maybe he could explain how the USA
is 11 Trillion in debt. That would beg the question that 11 trillion existed since the Birth of
Baby Jesus and before. Since we as sheeple suckerass taxpayers have to pay interetest on
the DEBT now approaching 500 Billion a Year. I was wondering if the oh so Brilliant Ted
could explain who is receiving this Interest and who gets to create money from thin air and
gets to charge Interest what a stinkin racket. That is counterfeiting isn’t it?
February 7th, 2009 at 1:59 am
It seems some people have lost sight of a very simple fact. We live under a capitalist system. Therefore, if we are being screwed by the system, we are being screwed by capitalism.
The term “free-market capitalism” is a pefect example of what Orwell referred to as doublespeak. It’s the same thing as saying “free bondage.”
What difference does it make to an individual if he is dominated by a single employer, a corporation, or a centralized bureaucracy. Exploitation feels the same no matter who is inflicting it.
Here’s some more news. The Soviet Union was the most capitalistic of societies; one big business, with the bosses on top bleeding the laborers below. AND the state is indispensable to a capitalist society because it must regulate the interactions between the classes. The state is the chain and whip that keeps the slaves in their “proper” place.
Naomi Kleon may be a fool, but she is no more of a fool than these people who THINK they are criticizing her.
Love thy master you free slaves. NEVER question him and forever praise his sacred and inviolable name…CAPITALISM.
BloodMoneyRules Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 5:49 am
“We live under a capitalist system.”
Gee, really?
Is that because Naomi Klein says we do? You probably think it’s just an accident Klein basically parrots what we get taught about living under “democracy” and a “capitalist system” from elementary school up.
So it’s only that “capitalism” has gone south – kinda like old milk. Like accidental “disaster capitalism”. It just couldn’t be we actually live under propaganda Fascism like the writer of this story says. Hm?
“Here’s some more news. The Soviet Union was the most capitalistic of societies”
Hey that’s a good one. I hear red lizards under the north pole control the Queen of England and forced her to make a knight out of Sir “Bubbles” Greenspan.
Never mind. Just go back to sleep. (you don’t have to think there)
JT Reply:
February 8th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Semantics is one of the main reasons I am so often misunderstood. Stop being a slave to your definitions and maybe you will see that I am correct.
When I say that the Soviet Union was capitalistic, I could just as well say that the present situation in the US is communistic. All of these terms have been utilized by those in power as a smokescreen to blind us to the truth: Throughout history the powerhorders have always used different names for themselves but what it simply comes down to is there are those who would dominate and there are those who would be dominated (and inevitably rise up).
What sense does it make to defend those who dominate you when it is not in your own interest, only theirs? Are you a capitalist? No? Then why do you defend them? Have you ever considered that maybe you have been a bit brainwashed?
We are THE PEOPLE, we are not THEM.
February 7th, 2009 at 2:16 am
At the New And Improved Club of Sheeple the Aristicrats will be sacrified in Effigy
It will be the counter Bohemian Grove. Its time for the ‘elites’ to make THE ULTIMATE
SACRIFICE for the Team. They have sacrificed enough of our fellow sheep its their turn
now. Pay backs for the 9/11 Firemen and the soldiers. Partee.
February 7th, 2009 at 2:34 am
massa need punishment. Massa is a liar no good thief. Massa can not tell the truth. Massa
is a Sociopath. If massa can not teel the sheeple where the Magical Mystery Debt tree
is massa is fraudulating the slaves. here is alittle Math question for the most stupid mind.
The US Government gave AIG 150 Billion Dollars. The Market Valuation is 2.69 Billion
as of 2-5-09. Where did the 147.33 Billion go. What right do these people who failed have
to 147.33 Billion. This is not capitalism its something else. Plus not one persom has explained how we are 11 trillion in debt. there is no way any Bank had 11 Trillion to loan us
20 years ago. So who gets this Interest Money for Nothing. What useles piece of crap is
using the IRS to extract tribute and to who. Ticks need to be squashed. They are bugs
insects leaches. if your dog has a tick on it you take the tick off and destroy it. It is useless
does nothing totally worthless. It causes problems and stress and stress causes cancer.
You cut the cancer out so the body can live and thrive. Any HILLYBILLY KNOWS THIS ASK
THEM.
JT Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 9:35 am
So what you’re saying is the plutocrats are amassing enormous wealth at the expense of the people. And yet you say this is not capitalism?
FYI, All money is fiat money. It all comes from the illusion born of commodity fetishism. And you know what else? It is the hallmark of a capitalist society. Eliminate the “free” market and the illusion called money vanishes.
Love thy master.
February 7th, 2009 at 2:47 am
I read Ayn Rand’s ,”Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal” and can see great merit in actual Capitalism, however, I don’t see how it can be achieved. As soon a anyone gets a pile of money, he will use it to buy influence with the government. The government members will then make laws to favor the guy who already has the money. Even in pure Capitalism the State has the job of defense. So who is going to get defense contracts? If you don’t have wars all the time, how will they make money and get government contracts , etc, etc. None of the big corporations are Capitalist, they are Fascist. I don’t see anyway to stop Capitalism from turning into Fascism. Not as long as people are greedy and fearful, as they always have been and always will be.
JT Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Exactly. It is just as unrealizable as the communist ideal. It can only be supported on a foundation of quasi-religious blind faith.
Individual capitalists=small fascism. Monopoly capital=big fascism.
If you check into it you will see that capitalism in its infancy was absolutely brutal, so much so that state intervention was A MUST to check its abuses AND to keep the uppity servants down when they asked for a bigger piece of the pie. In other words, without the regulation of the state, capitalism will spiral immediately into chaos. WITH the state it takes a bit more time, but the result is still going to be the same.
February 7th, 2009 at 3:50 am
I noticed something interesting. More lies by are our all so Open and Transparent (thats a
joke) yea like coal is transparent anyway if you go to the US Treasury site and look at what countries hold our Debt. You will notice a big pile of debt held by the mythical “other countries”. I wonder who they would be. I wonder waht Moles and treasonous assholes
are selling us out and to who and how are these sneaky little MEGA tribalist working this
scam to the little TRUE HOMELAND. You just can’t trust them never could and never should.
Why look how Warburg came here and his brother stayed home and gave COUNCIL to the
Kaiser. His Brother Warburg was in America financing or profitting off the War here in America while his Bro was in Germany jerking them around . Its how the ’special tribe
works”. never Trust them or you will end up like the 9/11 firemen and policemen. DEAD.
America where Moles run free and eat your Golf Balls.
February 7th, 2009 at 3:57 am
Ayn Rand was a freak like the rest of pseudo intellectual tribe of thieves and liars and cowards. At the Rand Corporation where liitle freaks ponder the big thoughts of nothingness.
Useless thinker. Wher is that stinkin debt Money Tree thats creates Money from thin air and charges Interest it. Where are these scumbags. useless fart makers and eaters like Kissinger
oh guess who use to work for Kissinger lo and behold Brother lets men cheat you and fraud
you and not do my job at the new York Fed while gets paid tons of Money Geinther. Another
one of the oh so smart and Intellectual tribe. really am sick of them I want to Puke. Puke.
February 7th, 2009 at 4:09 am
I love Naomi Klein. She opposes tyranny. She is open to alternatives that are I suppose more left wing. So what. She is on our side!
Peace
JT Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 9:50 am
The Left IS the side of the people. The Right belongs to the machine.
February 7th, 2009 at 4:34 am
I don’t trust any of the Tribe of Money lenders. They have been causing problems forever.
My Uncle was a Casuality of their Kazarkian War tribe of thieves and liars and Yellow Spines
and backstabbers. They are always cheating people some how some way. Very funny people
it could come from inbreeding. I am studying this now. The effects of inbreeding on DNA
and mental reptillian traits. In the mean time watch the American Christian die in American wars for
War Profits. Same old s--- over and over and over again.
February 7th, 2009 at 4:54 am
Does anyone out there in the Land of Big Ivy league IQs know where we are going to
“borrow” another Trillion. And how much will we and all the other sheep pay in Interest
to this Mythical Trillion for its USE. What 50 Billion what a Deal. hey Sammy the Shyster
will find us 1 little itsty bitsy Trillion from his Bohemian Grove Creep and Freak Squad
and charge us 50 Billion what a Deal thanks Sammy. Ain’t that special. Always cheatin ya
always plotting and conniving its in their Genenic make Up. Slimey little two bit liars.
February 7th, 2009 at 5:05 am
You hit on the crux of the issue.
So-called “capitalism” is as old as agriculture and trade itself (do a google search on “ancient capitalism”). How to limit oligarchs from domination of all industry then to rigging and control of governments and media (as they do now under Corporate Monopoly Fascism) is the issue. It’s an especially thorny one when Fascism (the merger of state and corporate power with corporate power in command) has control over the creation of money that it can print out of thin air to game the very “education” and the “news” (i.e. propaganda) people consume to make their impaired judgments.
The founders of America knew this danger well (as the Jefferson quote in the original story affirms). Old Ben may have put it most colorfully:
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
Benjamin Franklin
In this case “well-armed” also means well educated as to what really goes on under the propaganda constantly churned out by the corporate crime Washington-MSM axis madhouse responsible for 9/11 coverup, genocide sham “war on terror” and endless “Wall Street Bailouts” for those “too big to fail” . Not easy when people actually believe they still live under a “democracy” that was sold out long ago.
February 7th, 2009 at 5:42 am
the milf sold out obviously… typical prostitute
Idiots are found on this site Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
You are the typical brain dead inbred trash found on these forums. To damn stupid to read a book and you do not understand anything about the world around you.
paolo Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
i second that!
February 7th, 2009 at 9:35 am
This is bulls---, whoever wrote the piece has obviously never read her books, seen her interviews or subscribed to her blog. Her concept of the “shock doctrine” is essential to understanding what the globalists are doing to us. She is a enemy of the NWO. Period. Alex should have her on the show as a guest. Let her speak for herself. You do Ms. Klein an injustice. I am surprised that the attack was not “ad hominem”. She’s a Rhodes Scholar. That’s makes her evil, right? Not. Do the research!
BloodMoneyRules Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
“…never read her books, seen her interviews or subscribed to her blog. Her concept of the “shock doctrine” is essential to understanding what the globalists are doing to us.”
Oh boy… a Naomi Klein worshiper got his Rhodes Scholar worldview singed. (maybe somebody should explain who Cecil Rhodes was) Hey guess what, I’ve read her books. She’s not terrible. She’s also about as superficial as they come. Kind of like a runway model of the phony left. That’s probably why she got a career selling Oprah level psuedo insights on the economic front.
I agree with this writer. “capitalism” is a bogus decoy the elite ersatz ‘left” uses to distract from the real malefactor ruling power which is independent of party affiliation or petty ideologies.
Do some research yourself.
Idiots R US Reply:
February 7th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Hey Blood, You really are a thick headed chimp brained arse. You call Naomi Klein superficial yet you are an alex jones fan. Alex Jones, the right wing nutjob masquerading as a truther. I bet you have a high school degree at most and that you have read only a couple of paragraphs on Naomi Klein. I bet you attack Noam Chomsky, and here again is a person how is devoted to social activism and has decried US and Israeli foreign policy his entire life. He also attacks and exposes the media. He also attacks and exposes corporate crimes. By since alex jones doesn’t like Chomsky or Klein, you idiots don’t either. You idiots are all mindless clones of alex jones. The reason these two writers are attacked by Jones is because they are on the left. He brings on nutjobs and racists like Jerome Corsi and gives him a platform at least half a dozen times and Corsi is a discredited author caught plagiarizing and out right lying in everything he ever wrote. You idiots eat it all up when it is right wing, no matter how moonbat crazy it is. But naomi Klein and Noam Chomsky, real truthers, are labeled gate keepers. You idiots wouldn’t know a true scholar if you saw one.
BloodMoneyRules Reply:
February 8th, 2009 at 12:31 am
“Idiots R Us”
No doubt a fitting moniker for someone who does no more than insult those who don’t bow down before sham elite “left wing” sacred cows Obama, Chomsky, Klein, etc. (Chomsky who said of the Kean & Hamilton admitted 9/11 coverup that even if 9/11 were in fact a government rigged event – “who cares? You know – I mean it doesn’t have any significance.” )
Actually Chomsky has done good work in the past. In my opinion he has forfeited his credibility on the issue of a manifest 9/11 coverup. Naomi Klein’s work is not without value either. But to say she does far more than state the obvious while pointing the finger at the wrong culprit (free markets that don’t exist, etc) is intellectually bankrupt for reasons the author above and others have cited.
From all signs it would seem people like Chomsky and Klein are professional limited hangout artists who sell the idea that it is half-baked “right wing” ideology that drives Police State policy. This when “change you can believe in” FISA spy state and snake oil “war on terror” Obama was bulldozed to office by Wall Street corporate crime. Obama has chosen nothing but corrupt Wall Streeters, lobbyists and even BushCo underlings (Robert Gates etc) to maintain the utterly false “war on terror” killing fields.
Oh, and as to Jerome Corsi. Despite his support of 9/11 truth, Corsi strikes me as someone not worth listening too. But then I would have to say the same about you.
I could go on and insult loud fanatics and hypocrites such as yourself in turn, but that would be bringing myself down to your squalid level.
Alex Jones Said Arabs Run Hollywood. LOL! Reply:
February 8th, 2009 at 1:10 am
Noam Chomsky – Jew
Naomi Klein – Jew
When are you patriotards going to stop being taken in by these Jewish liars and frauds?
Idiots R US Reply:
February 8th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Bloodmoney you are at best a retarded inbreed chimp, at best. Noam Chomsky has written over 100 books. The man has been attacked by the US government and Israeli government non stop. The man has done more to awake people to government and corporate crime than alex jones and his cronies ever will. He has detailed how the media is corrupt and how it enslaves us. He does just about everything a real truther should. Just because he doesn’t talk about your sacred cow (911) you discredit him…you are bats--- crazy!
February 7th, 2009 at 10:29 am
GREAT VIDEO:
Something to tell the world!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT8cg62iKyg
February 7th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
anti-semetic inbred trash…that is what you are!
February 7th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
no dumbass, capitalism is screwing anything. Its that flawed central bank idiocy that has people getting screwed but these inept “collective” thought crutch addicts who cant live life without imposing tyranny.
February 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
central bank + central government =disasterous tyranny
February 7th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
It is more than abundantly clear that central bank control over the debt of a central governed nation acts on behalf of the centralized government and not the people for in debt do they “flourish” while the citizenry is imposed upon and lead by elected “officials”.
Its time to grow up and empower the people not the central banks who in turn empower the central government.
February 7th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Naomi stands with the people.
None of us will agree on EVERYTHING.
February 7th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Labels and words divide when deep down we want the same things.
February 7th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Naomi Klein = Jew
February 8th, 2009 at 3:07 am
na just buy his gold coins with him and kennedy on the same coin
February 8th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Why would anyone expect one person to have all the answers? There is one absolute truth but each of us can only hope for a limited understanding of it. Maybe that is why there are so many of us. Each individual has a unique contribution to make to our common consciousness. Instead of valuing the good and true parts of each other, however, all we want to do is attack and criticize. I would like to point out that a truly free market could probably thrive and foster an equitable society if people owned themselves, their own property, and controlled their own money supply. Even during colonial times, property was concentrated in a few hands, and many residents did not even own themselves, i.e. slaves and indentured servants, let alone their own property and means of production. Now the more fortunate of us spend our lives working to pay banks and produce profit for others. As far as overproduction is concerned, there is one commodity that we consume every day and that is food. Right now some people are starving while others are obese but malnourished, and many are suffering from diseases due to vitamin and mineral deficiencies, (and a toxic environment). So I think we could afford to increase production of fresh food and natural methods of maintaining good soil, for one thing, since our population is increasing. Also, if most people weren’t shackled to mind-numbing jobs to pay rent or mortgage, I think we could imagine and invent many more wonderful things to sell to each other, even if our other goods were of such good quality that we wouldn’t be forced to replace them all the time!
February 8th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Anyway….She is hot!
February 8th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
happeth meal globalization of poverty but who cares right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page
February 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am
This is kinda wack to me. You guys here on prison planet are always talking about how there is no difference between dems and reps, and I agree with that, there isn’t. It’s a way to keep us dividing and fighting over and arguing about some meaningless s---. But now here you are (libertarians) trying to facilitate a divide between yourselves and radicals. STOP THIS s---. You’re no better than people who debate dem and rep politics. You are trying to create a divide instead of uniting. f---ing bulls---. She exposes corruption just like you guys, she just has a different end in sight. Why can’t you find something with her to agree on and build off of instead of this s---?! Bulls---.
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