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		<title>By: lavallee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lavallee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget that Patriotism is standing up to nazi cops tasering some guy for shits &amp; giggles. Patriotism as you discuss is that taught to control a population. If This generation doesn&#039;t learn; then it&#039;s our fault!

PS: The atrocities will begin here soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that Patriotism is standing up to nazi cops tasering some guy for shits &amp; giggles. Patriotism as you discuss is that taught to control a population. If This generation doesn&#8217;t learn; then it&#8217;s our fault!</p>
<p>PS: The atrocities will begin here soon.</p>
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		<title>By: John McNeill</title>
		<link>http://www.prisonplanet.com/some-thoughts-on-patriotism.html/comment-page-2#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>John McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregory, I&#039;m sorry to hear about your miserable school experiences, I&#039;ve also had horrible experiences with the public school system, and was often shocked by how unprepared students are. When I was in a government class during my junior year in high school, we took a citizenship test that&#039;s given to immigrants who want to be naturalized, and it&#039;s a 100-question test consisting of simple questions like &quot;What are the colors of the US flag&quot;, &quot;What&#039;s the 2nd Amendment&quot;, &quot;How many judges are in the Supreme Court&quot;, etc. And I was only one of two that actually passed the test (and got a 100). Yet it didn&#039;t feel like any sort of accomplishment. Because they were really easy questions. Stuff a 6th grader should know!

And before someone points the finger and says &quot;See Americans are stupid&quot;, let it be known that the kids in my class were really smart people who were gifted in such fields as calculus, art, music, physics, etc. Much more talented than me. And yet I, an average student of no particular strengths, gets a perfect score on a test that almost the entire class fails? 

It doesn&#039;t show that Americans are dumb, but as you said, they are brainwashed by the evil school system. The public schools (with the exception a few wonderful teachers) dumb down material early on, and make American history and politics seem unappealing to kids. Students should study these subjects early on, but instead in 5th grade we were indoctrinated on HATING America. Yes, hating America. And when kids learn that America isn&#039;t worth caring about, then they don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about the Constitution or politics, following the course of apathy instead.

And with the recent studies that show how horrible vaccines are (which public schools mandate), I certainly would not want to enroll any future kids of mine into the public school system. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d be able to commit to homeschooling, but of course this is assuming that homeschooling won&#039;t be banned in 10 years. ;p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory, I&#8217;m sorry to hear about your miserable school experiences, I&#8217;ve also had horrible experiences with the public school system, and was often shocked by how unprepared students are. When I was in a government class during my junior year in high school, we took a citizenship test that&#8217;s given to immigrants who want to be naturalized, and it&#8217;s a 100-question test consisting of simple questions like &#8220;What are the colors of the US flag&#8221;, &#8220;What&#8217;s the 2nd Amendment&#8221;, &#8220;How many judges are in the Supreme Court&#8221;, etc. And I was only one of two that actually passed the test (and got a 100). Yet it didn&#8217;t feel like any sort of accomplishment. Because they were really easy questions. Stuff a 6th grader should know!</p>
<p>And before someone points the finger and says &#8220;See Americans are stupid&#8221;, let it be known that the kids in my class were really smart people who were gifted in such fields as calculus, art, music, physics, etc. Much more talented than me. And yet I, an average student of no particular strengths, gets a perfect score on a test that almost the entire class fails? </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t show that Americans are dumb, but as you said, they are brainwashed by the evil school system. The public schools (with the exception a few wonderful teachers) dumb down material early on, and make American history and politics seem unappealing to kids. Students should study these subjects early on, but instead in 5th grade we were indoctrinated on HATING America. Yes, hating America. And when kids learn that America isn&#8217;t worth caring about, then they don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass about the Constitution or politics, following the course of apathy instead.</p>
<p>And with the recent studies that show how horrible vaccines are (which public schools mandate), I certainly would not want to enroll any future kids of mine into the public school system. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d be able to commit to homeschooling, but of course this is assuming that homeschooling won&#8217;t be banned in 10 years. ;p</p>
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		<title>By: John McNeill</title>
		<link>http://www.prisonplanet.com/some-thoughts-on-patriotism.html/comment-page-2#comment-1904</link>
		<dc:creator>John McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid that I do disagree with you on your assessment of Americans. 

Now I don&#039;t believe that Americans are morally superior to anyone else. But I also believe that Americans do not have a monopoly on jerks and assholes. I&#039;ve found a lot of Europeans and Latin Americans, for examples, to be more obnoxious and rude than any stereotypical &quot;Ugly American&quot;.

Atrocities? The Rape of Nanjing, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, the Cultural Revolution, Saddam&#039;s campaign against the Kurds, Kosovo, Chechnya, the Armenian Genocide, Bataan Death March, Ethiopian Red Terror, Darfur genocide, Rwanda genocide, Cambodia under Pol Pot, 9/11 (The hijackers were not American), the Palestinian Intifada (and for you anti-Zionists, include Israeli atrocities as well), Spanish Civil War, Katyn massacre, I could go on. 

None of the above were directly perpetrated by average Americans. Perhaps you could argue that US government meddling and corporate influence may have had an influence on some of them, but the actual killings were committed by non-Americans.

The point is that Americans are not uniquely evil or bloodthirsty. If you&#039;re going to judge Americans fit for serving in death squads, then why not say humans in general are fit for mass-murder? That&#039;s what history shows. Atrocities happened before Americans and will continue on so long as human beings exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that I do disagree with you on your assessment of Americans. </p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t believe that Americans are morally superior to anyone else. But I also believe that Americans do not have a monopoly on jerks and assholes. I&#8217;ve found a lot of Europeans and Latin Americans, for examples, to be more obnoxious and rude than any stereotypical &#8220;Ugly American&#8221;.</p>
<p>Atrocities? The Rape of Nanjing, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, the Cultural Revolution, Saddam&#8217;s campaign against the Kurds, Kosovo, Chechnya, the Armenian Genocide, Bataan Death March, Ethiopian Red Terror, Darfur genocide, Rwanda genocide, Cambodia under Pol Pot, 9/11 (The hijackers were not American), the Palestinian Intifada (and for you anti-Zionists, include Israeli atrocities as well), Spanish Civil War, Katyn massacre, I could go on. </p>
<p>None of the above were directly perpetrated by average Americans. Perhaps you could argue that US government meddling and corporate influence may have had an influence on some of them, but the actual killings were committed by non-Americans.</p>
<p>The point is that Americans are not uniquely evil or bloodthirsty. If you&#8217;re going to judge Americans fit for serving in death squads, then why not say humans in general are fit for mass-murder? That&#8217;s what history shows. Atrocities happened before Americans and will continue on so long as human beings exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Fegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Fegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t agree with my opinion that most Americans are jerks and assholes? Consider this: a majority (or a near-majority, take your pick) of US voters chose George W. Bush. Twice. 

Also: Mai Lai, Haditha, Abu Graibh, 9/11, OK City, Waco, and countless other atrocities were not directly committed by US leaders, but by good old American boys and girls, who committed these murderous acts, not for profits, like the US government leaders and fat cats do, but simply because they enjoy hurting and killing people. If you want to unleash the death squads, just arm some Americans and turn them loose with a license to kill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t agree with my opinion that most Americans are jerks and assholes? Consider this: a majority (or a near-majority, take your pick) of US voters chose George W. Bush. Twice. </p>
<p>Also: Mai Lai, Haditha, Abu Graibh, 9/11, OK City, Waco, and countless other atrocities were not directly committed by US leaders, but by good old American boys and girls, who committed these murderous acts, not for profits, like the US government leaders and fat cats do, but simply because they enjoy hurting and killing people. If you want to unleash the death squads, just arm some Americans and turn them loose with a license to kill.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Fegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Fegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I don&#039;t believe that a Revolution can ever result in any sort of utopia in the USA, because I think that most Americans are jerks and assholes who don&#039;t understand the Constitution and wouldn&#039;t like it if they did. And that&#039;s never going to change. But I&#039;d definitely like to see the USA collapse, because it is evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I don&#8217;t believe that a Revolution can ever result in any sort of utopia in the USA, because I think that most Americans are jerks and assholes who don&#8217;t understand the Constitution and wouldn&#8217;t like it if they did. And that&#8217;s never going to change. But I&#8217;d definitely like to see the USA collapse, because it is evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Fegel</title>
		<link>http://www.prisonplanet.com/some-thoughts-on-patriotism.html/comment-page-2#comment-1825</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Fegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McNeill: I actually agree with you that government has a purpose, one of the most important of which is to protect ordinary folks from the rich and powerful, or their predatory neighbors. My own preference for anarchism is quite personal; I don&#039;t propose anarchism as a panacea or a utopia.

When I was in the 7th grade my public school teacher punished me for reading classic English and American literature. This was after I gave book reports in class on Pearl S. Buck, Charles Dickens, Daniel Defoe, and on Burdick and Lederer&#039;s &quot;Fail Safe&quot; and &quot;The Ugly American.&quot; She banned me from the public library and required me to read only the kiddy books she approved of. I learned then that the public school system exists only to brainwash and indoctrinate, and definitely NOT to educate. Something very similar was done to me a few years later by a group of English teachers at a public high school in another State. There was NO ONE I could appeal to for help. Those experiences convinced me that it is the height of cruelty to send your children to public school, and for that reason I decided not to have any children.

Throughout US history, the US Constitution and the concept of &quot;natural rights&quot; have been largely ignored by the elected officials of the US government. The statement that &quot;the Constitution is just a piece of paper&quot; is affirmed by the fact that most of the officials of the US government have always ignored it. What good is the Constitution if the government and the populace ignore it? A person&#039;s right to free speech, regardless of what the Constitution says, only has meaning if the people in power (or the people around you) respect that right. In my lifetime of 56 years in the USA, I have NEVER seen freedom of speech truly respected or allowed in the schools, in the workplace, in the media, or in government. 
 
I now believe that it is the nature of government to be corrupt. I do not want to surrender my rights to the mob. I do not trust organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McNeill: I actually agree with you that government has a purpose, one of the most important of which is to protect ordinary folks from the rich and powerful, or their predatory neighbors. My own preference for anarchism is quite personal; I don&#8217;t propose anarchism as a panacea or a utopia.</p>
<p>When I was in the 7th grade my public school teacher punished me for reading classic English and American literature. This was after I gave book reports in class on Pearl S. Buck, Charles Dickens, Daniel Defoe, and on Burdick and Lederer&#8217;s &#8220;Fail Safe&#8221; and &#8220;The Ugly American.&#8221; She banned me from the public library and required me to read only the kiddy books she approved of. I learned then that the public school system exists only to brainwash and indoctrinate, and definitely NOT to educate. Something very similar was done to me a few years later by a group of English teachers at a public high school in another State. There was NO ONE I could appeal to for help. Those experiences convinced me that it is the height of cruelty to send your children to public school, and for that reason I decided not to have any children.</p>
<p>Throughout US history, the US Constitution and the concept of &#8220;natural rights&#8221; have been largely ignored by the elected officials of the US government. The statement that &#8220;the Constitution is just a piece of paper&#8221; is affirmed by the fact that most of the officials of the US government have always ignored it. What good is the Constitution if the government and the populace ignore it? A person&#8217;s right to free speech, regardless of what the Constitution says, only has meaning if the people in power (or the people around you) respect that right. In my lifetime of 56 years in the USA, I have NEVER seen freedom of speech truly respected or allowed in the schools, in the workplace, in the media, or in government. </p>
<p>I now believe that it is the nature of government to be corrupt. I do not want to surrender my rights to the mob. I do not trust organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: John McNeill</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the double post.

I didn&#039;t see the comment appear and so assumed that it didn&#039;t get posted for whatever reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the double post.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see the comment appear and so assumed that it didn&#8217;t get posted for whatever reason.</p>
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		<title>By: John McNeill</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also believe that nationalism is not the cause of conflict. 

Human nature is the cause of conflict. It&#039;s a sad and unfortunate truth.

Even if the whole world was in a state of anarchy, humans will still find reasons to wage war upon one another. 

Nationality, religion, and ideology are just excuses for human greed and selfishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also believe that nationalism is not the cause of conflict. </p>
<p>Human nature is the cause of conflict. It&#8217;s a sad and unfortunate truth.</p>
<p>Even if the whole world was in a state of anarchy, humans will still find reasons to wage war upon one another. </p>
<p>Nationality, religion, and ideology are just excuses for human greed and selfishness.</p>
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		<title>By: John McNeill</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also say that nationalism is not the root cause of conflict.

I believe that human nature is the root cause of conflict. Sad and unfortunate truth.

If we lived in a state of anarchy, then humans will find other reasons to war with each other. Nationality is only an excuse along with religion and ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also say that nationalism is not the root cause of conflict.</p>
<p>I believe that human nature is the root cause of conflict. Sad and unfortunate truth.</p>
<p>If we lived in a state of anarchy, then humans will find other reasons to war with each other. Nationality is only an excuse along with religion and ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: John McNeill</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yo, 

   The Bill of Rights and the DOI don&#039;t claim that borders are artificial or that patriotism is bad. If so, why did Thomas Jefferson speak of the blood of patriots (along with tyrants) being the natural manure of the tree of liberty? 

   It is true that the Founding Fathers believed in universal truths. But they were wise to know that not everyone in the world will embrace these universal truths. And that&#039;s why they were building a country that did revolve around those truths. 

   I agree that there is one human race, and I reject that divisions of Black, White, Hispanics, Asian, etc. But I do not believe that humans will ever voluntarily reject all divisions and become one happy family. At least not on their own. That&#039;s why we do need a country to safeguard our freedoms. 

   America is flawed, but it is still a nation that was conceived in the truths spoken in the Declaration of Independence, and even though many of my fellow Americans are controlled by the two-party dictatorship, the ideals of the Founding Fathers still resonate with many Americans. I can account for this based on my personal experiences. 

   If there is a chance to have a country that is based on the ideals of liberty, then it&#039;s America. It&#039;s a part of our history. It is our origins. And I believe Ron Paul has been the spark that will hopefully ignite a revolution that will restore our republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo, </p>
<p>   The Bill of Rights and the DOI don&#8217;t claim that borders are artificial or that patriotism is bad. If so, why did Thomas Jefferson speak of the blood of patriots (along with tyrants) being the natural manure of the tree of liberty? </p>
<p>   It is true that the Founding Fathers believed in universal truths. But they were wise to know that not everyone in the world will embrace these universal truths. And that&#8217;s why they were building a country that did revolve around those truths. </p>
<p>   I agree that there is one human race, and I reject that divisions of Black, White, Hispanics, Asian, etc. But I do not believe that humans will ever voluntarily reject all divisions and become one happy family. At least not on their own. That&#8217;s why we do need a country to safeguard our freedoms. </p>
<p>   America is flawed, but it is still a nation that was conceived in the truths spoken in the Declaration of Independence, and even though many of my fellow Americans are controlled by the two-party dictatorship, the ideals of the Founding Fathers still resonate with many Americans. I can account for this based on my personal experiences. </p>
<p>   If there is a chance to have a country that is based on the ideals of liberty, then it&#8217;s America. It&#8217;s a part of our history. It is our origins. And I believe Ron Paul has been the spark that will hopefully ignite a revolution that will restore our republic.</p>
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