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Stratfor acknowledges Russia defeated US, not Georgian army in South Ossetia
Pravda.Ru
Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008
The USA acknowledged that Russia had virtually defeated the US, but not the Georgian army in South Ossetia. US instructors have spent four years training the Georgian army for an attack against Russian citizens. The US administration refused to help Saakashvili, because the true goal of the new game in the Caucasus is absolutely different.
Experts of Stratfor, the so-called Shadow CIA, stated that the Russian army had not only preserved its battling capacity but also proved to the whole world that was it capable of defeating an armed enemy, trained by US instructors.
A report from Stratfor particularly mentions that the operation in South Ossetia has exercised three things. First off, Russia has proved to have the army capable of conducting successful operations, in which many Western observers doubted before. Secondly, the Russians have showed that they can defeat the forces trained by US advisors. Finally, Russia has shown that the USA and NATO do not find themselves in the situation when they can interfere into a conflict from the military point of view.
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At the same time, the experts consider it to be a military demonstration of Russia to former republics of the Soviet Union, including Ukraine, the entire Caucasus and Central Asia. In addition, they see a hidden warning to Poland and the Czech Republic against the background of a possible deployment of elements of the US missile defense system in those countries. However, the experts exclude an opportunity for Moscow to organize an intervention against some of the above-mentioned countries.
Stratfor’s statement means that the fight is over for Georgia and that the US administration is not going to cross the red line in its relations with Russia. Saakashvili’s hopes for NATO to become involved in a conflict with Russia went up in smoke.
The USA is pursuing absolutely different goals, and the creation of the Great Georgia is surely not on its list. The Republicans organized the provocation to portray Russia as a monster on the globe on the threshold of the November elections. This plays into the hands of John McCain, who openly says that “Russia’s imperial ambition” needs to be curbed.
This way or other, the USA has used the small country of Georgia as a toy.
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August 12th, 2008 at 4:31 am
So, the whole thing was just a test then? Holy fuck…
August 12th, 2008 at 5:03 am
Incredible.
Is there anywhere we can read this report?
I’ve been onto the Stratfor website but it seems you have to subscribe to be able to get information such as this?
Thanks in advance.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:42 am
They need to get their blackwater shock troops desensitized to murdering innocent civillians. and get the public desensitized to it also. Of course most american t.v. watchers do not have any sense to begin with. this was a live-fire drill for these chesters. will the civilians stand together if it happens in USA?
August 12th, 2008 at 7:22 am
This is NOT a test. This was an attempt to provoke all out Russian aggression in the face of mounting tensions with Iran. This WILL happen I’m afraid. People are fast asleep at the wheel. You KNOW something is terribly wrong when what could have been (and was planned to be) the start of world war 3 gets less coverage than a former presidential candidate admitting to an affair.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:31 am
Live DRILL! in the end folk’s I think you’ll see that RUSSIA and AMERICA are on the same side. Just think about it???
We have dedicated satelites watching this second by second—real time.
The Russian’s are analyzing this material also, it’s to see if all nation’s involved are at the ready to make the jump. SADLY it was performed on alot of innocent GEORGIAN’S.
Remember: the enemy of my enemy “IS MY FRIEND”.
Keep your friend’s close but keep your enemies CLOSER!
August 12th, 2008 at 7:46 am
As with anything, there are always multiple reasons for actions and reactions. If it was a test, perhaps it was designed to fail. I can’t imagine we really gave Georgians anything more than basic fundamentals of infantry tactics and military organization. It is doubtful we sold them weapons capable of taking on Russian forces-a country like Russia has enormous military resources compared to Georgia who would never have won, even in the short-term. This was most likely a designed probing of Russian respone capablilities of in order to update our tactics. It served as a distraction in the media as we built up our armada in the persian gulf against Iran. It was our sales pitch to Georgia that they had better purchase more of our weapon systems and hire more of our instructors to modernize their air force, navy, armored and artillery forces. Let’s not forget that it is better for a potential enemy, such as Russia, to overestimate their strength and underestimate ours. We observed how the Russians wage modern warfare for our intelligence purposes and we made them believe that they can defeat our tactics.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Saakashvili told the S. Osettian citizens that he “loved them” and wished them good night.”
At midnight his thugs and criminals committed a horrendous slaughter of those same “citizens.”
Georgian marauders and mercenaries ran over women and children with tanks, drowned victims
in cellars and burned alive a group sheltered in a church. This genocide is all being documented.
There are thousands of survivors as witnesses. Saakashvili will swing higher than Saddam, his namesake.
Russian troops and peacemakers are the true heroes in this conflict. Bush, McCain, and sad to say,
Obama are supporting criminals and thugs. What else is new?
I will be voting for Nader. A real man of change. The other candidates are just political hacks.
It becomes clearer as events unfold.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:14 am
The neo-cons were testing Russia resolve.
I believed this on day one of this conflict, Russia has stated it will defend its interest if Iran is attacked. This conflict was about determining Russian resolve.
The claims that this conflict was about keeping Russia busy while we took Iran were just nonsense.
USA and Israeli advisors were deliberately using Georgian troops to test the rapid deployment capability of Russia.
What we learned is that Russia is still a viable and dangerous foe and has the will to take action to defend its interest.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
This was a cowardly attack against the civillian population in South Ossetia by US mercenaries and the Israeli puppet regime in Georgia. However, watching the US press one would think that Russia attacked some poor defenseless country for no reason.
These cowards are used to fighting people who are unarmed, with no Air Force like their usual targets, Palestinans, Iraqis with no planes, or the Lebanese, who actually kicked their asses last year…Well these neoCONs have been falsely whining about everybody wanting to “wipe them off the map”. I think they found someone who just might do it now. If Russia has any balls, they’ll tell these bullies that if they attack Iran, they’ll get the same response that the Georgians are getting right now. It is high time somebody stood up to these assholes!! You can bet our Democratic Congress won’t do anything to stop them..
August 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
McCain gains nothing if Georgian prez is tried for war crimes in front of an international tribunal, which was part of the agreement abetted by France’s SarkNazi, that marked the official Russian cessation of military operations. Georgian Prez Sackoshitvili needs to resign and then surrender to police to be tried for ethnic cleansing and war crimes. McMilitaryCommissionsActCain, himself an advocate of torture and other war crimes, can sit and spin on that all he wants.
The tide has turned folks. Prepare for the descent into chaos here. The empire has fallen!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:25 am
It is seriously hard to believe that these Neo-CONS have become this arrogant! This was beyond stupid! War with Russia? This can NOT end good!
America is supposed to be about freedom and liberty, however thanks to these Globalist SCUMBAGS, we have become the BAD Guys, and it breaks my heart…
The greatest country in the history of mankind is crumbling, and “the people” have NO CLUE!
GOD I hope that they Wake Up from their sleep…
August 12th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Or the is a way to get a peek view into what US can expect if it come to a confrontation with russia in mid-east.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Go Russia, This former US Marine and American citizen will not support this shitbad fascist state of America any more.
America = Corporate Fascism
American needs to brought to its knees and American materialism, greed and selfishness needs to be destroyed.
America should not rule any part of this world except inside its own borders.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Sarkozy and Medvedev doing the freemason-handshake?
Go to:
http://msn.kauppalehti.fi/inde.....mp;ext=msn
and scroll down a little – small picture in a red box. It’s an add/link to a Finnish news website, yet that specific picture can be found in this add only, not in the story.
Another photo I found at
http://www.usatoday.com/travel.....=000000000
but that picture isn’t as clear in terms of how the thumb is placed.
Anyone seen a video clip – or better photos of the meeting?
August 12th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Speaking of John FcCain, there is website – klich.ru – run by a russian general claiming that some Vietnamese archives would be released showing that FcCain was not shot down over Vietnam but
parachuted in the middle of Hanoi on a mission from Rothschild
to negotiate control of the opium “golden triangle” .Then lived
for years in a camp that was more like a country club. For this
favor FcCain’s father got promoted to commander of the pacific fleet
and the son got a boost in politics.That’s why on his visit to Vietnam FcCain asked them not to release the archives relating to the american POWs. If it turns out to be true could we call him
John CoCain the narco-emissary?
August 12th, 2008 at 11:01 am
That’s not a Freemason handshake. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:13 am
dan. you were a former marine ? why is it when i try to talk to my marine freinds about this shit nwo etc.. they always try to change the subject or completely disregard and say my favroit line “while your sleeping at night talking shit were out there taking care of buisness” ??really ?? whos buisness ???surely not mine. the ones who can really end this whole thing is them. if soldiers woke up and stop following orders everything would end. i would pay to see bush yelling at troops “why the f*ck aint you guys listening !!!! ” lmao. “i said attack dammit”.this goes for everywhere world wide also if troops wouldnt fight thered be no wars. i belive soldiers need to be better educated on this but there programing from bootcamp and life in military in general is veeeeeeery difficult to break im sure. any suggestions?
August 12th, 2008 at 11:17 am
You people are absolutly insane and in need of some serious medication!
August 12th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
jim im sure you have a vaccine ready for us??? lmao
August 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I like the analysis that Russia’s military preparedness is better than what we were led to believe. Yes Georgia’s military is small, but well trained (by us) and some units are combat hardened from Iraq. Russia rolled them like nothing and with only a small fraction of their conventional capabilities. I think if Russia and Iran were to form a military coalition, they would be very difficult to beat over there. I think Russia is thinking ahead with this conflict with Georgia. I think they want to pre-position their troops there in lieu of the impending strikes against Iran. The chess game is in the middle stages, but the pieces are advancing to the fray quickly.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
in essence, this is a pile of crock. there is not an ounce of info contained in the purported stratfor analysis that is worthy of the term “analysis”; the idea that russia`s miitary capabilities could have been in question is, in itself, laughable. case in point? do some research into scalar weaponry and russia`s capabilities regarding same…finally, the idea, apparently put forward by stratfor, that the US and/or georgia might have been testing russia`s military might by a georgian provocation is, to put it mildly, hilarious. readers might be interested to note that, in US/indian manoeuvers done about two years ago, indian-piloted russian aircraft (sukhoi fighters, if I recall correctly) proved so far above and beyond US capacities in every respect that even the mediocrily talented indian pilots were unable to screw up their own advantage
`nuff said.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
The Stratfor “analysis” is way off base. The little war was about oil. BP has now shut down the BTC pipeline going through Georgia. The oil tanker facilities in the port city of Poti have been sufficiently damaged that they are off line, which means the Black Sea tanker route is no longer a viable option while the pipeline is shutdown. Russia and the western Oil Mafia have much to gain by driving the price of oil back up to $150. This little Georgia war was all to create a profitable opportunity for both the western oil crooks and the Russians. The Georgians and the Israeli’s were used as pitiful pawns. In the end we are the losers when we have to pay $4, $5 or more for gasoline.
August 12th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Wow, StratFor suck… I was saying the same damn thing days ago. The US egged Georgia on, letting them believe that US support was a guarantee against Russian retaliation.
The Russians saw this as an opportunity to send three VERY LOUD messages: 1)Russia is NOT afraid of the US at all, 2) if you side with the US, expect to be abandoned by them when Russia comes calling, and 3) if you side with Russia, Russia protects its friends with Russian blood.
The US just lost the Great Game. Even Iran can now be assured that the promises Russia may have made regarding mutual defence are very strong, regardless of whether the threat is the US or Israel or anyone else.
I do not believe the US actually intended for this war to happen. They simply lost control of their puppet because of all the hyped up bullshit they had fed him. He thought they couldn’t lose, and even if they did, the US would come to his rescue. For their part the US were caught with their pants down, and then were SHOCKED at how fast Russia reacted.
By the time the US could have even gotten a plan together to help Georgia, Russia was already in complete control. The US simply can NOT live up to its promises in the region, simply because of the lag time between any action beginning and the arrival of American troops.
Hell, I don’t think they even got the 1000 Georgian troops in Iraq back to Georgia in time, let alone any credible force!
It takes months to plan a sea and airbourne assault on a nation on the other side of the world. Sending tanks down highways takes hours. That is what is meant by a sphere of influence – it is the area that you can dominate easily. The US had come to believe they had “Global Dominance” – now they know that is a lie.
It’s not the end of the fight actually, but the Russians just got two knockdowns and two 10-8 rounds. The only way the US can win now is with a knockout in the final round, but both eyes are nearly shut and their nose broken, so the chances of that are pretty damn slim.
I suspect we have just seen the end of the “Iran War”, because there is no way in hell the US will risk losing that TOO. So now they will be all about “diplomacy” and the “aggression of the Russians” and how “Russia is a threat to world peace”. A new cold war of rhetoric instead of combat.
Well, they will if they’re smart, anyway.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Who knows what all this means…..I’m cynical but I wonder if this was some too much VODKA problem by Saakashvili……”Yaaaaa (burp) we gonna KICK DA Russian ASS….(fart)….We gonna do it TONIGHT while everyone, I need another cigarette, another shot Oh this stuff is GOOD….(burp)…where was I……Oh yeah We can just do it while dey is wachen the Olympikz…..an before dey know….BOOM itz oveah ……DONE……Hist(burp)ory,(fart)……We gonna sho dos Ruskyz!! I gonna make the call right NOW………..
August 12th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
My peace be with you. I have always enjoyed the competitive nature in My boys. Many have even prayed for guidance before the masses, unashamed of whom they put their trust. However, no one prayed before this particular game. But since I was there and saw everything, I thought I would guide you, as you gamble for the results, and with the missing pieces. The pawns were My children. The board was their land. No thought was taken when My soldiers, who were trained to be dogs, barged into poor neighborhoods and sought their brothers and sisters who hid in closets, under beds and behind shower curtains. Yes, they were commanded to seek them out. Not with a bullet, that would have laid them to rest, but to perform a lasting example on the talents of machinery’s power. Who will come to the board? Who will speculate the pieces of the brainstem that was shattered from Mikala’s head as she attempted to escape inside the kitchen cabinet? She glanced, but for a moment, at her mother who was pulverized by machinery just a few feet away. The pain over the horror; you’ve yet to understand. Her anquish was felt by Me. I called her home before the bullet crossed the finish line to claim death for its prize. My hand reached out to many, just the same. While leaders were dazzled by elaborate reds and notable applause, at the world’s spectacular, torrents of human blood overshadowed the humble as hell tried to race ahead of My Spirit to prove its arm in another game. Evil roared in great triumph, only to quench in horror that none had perished – no prize to claim. They are all with Me. Each life…is so significant and never to be taken for granted. Mikala will never taste the second death. And the pain of what she saw will never be remembered. She died on her birthday, August 9, 2003. You see sons, life is not a game to prove which is greater. It is a gift to behold; while murder must be answered for. How will they answer for the horrible they plan? What will they say when I show them the blueprints that were torn? What explanation will they grasp for when I explain the turn of events that will never come to fruition? Will they even repent before they stand before Me? Until that moment, there will be no peace for the wicked; neither are there ‘toys’ in hell.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
32 degree M. – you were able to figure that out from just 2 photos?
You know what the handshake looks like – let alone f e e l s like? Well, I do – and all I was after there was for a videoclip to see more on what was going on there.
Ps. ever seen the clip where Reagan and Gorba shake hands?
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