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  • Terror Plan Would Give F.B.I. More Power

    ERIC LICHTBLAU
    NY Times
    Saturday, Sept 13, 2008

    The Justice Department made public on Friday a plan to expand the tools the Federal Bureau of Investigation can use to investigate suspicions of terrorism inside the United States, even without any direct evidence of wrongdoing.Justice Department officials said the plan, which is likely to be completed by the end of the month despite criticism from civil rights advocates, is intended to allow F.B.I. agents to be more aggressive and pre-emptive in assessing possible threats to national security.

    It would allow an agent, for instance, to pursue an anonymous tip about terrorism by conducting an undercover interview or watching someone in a public place. Such steps are now prohibited unless there is more specific evidence of wrongdoing.

    The plan is the latest in a series of steps by the Bush administration to extend key aspects of its counterterrorism strategy beyond the end of President Bush’s tenure. An executive order from Mr. Bush in August rewrote the rules for the nation’s 16 spy agencies, and an administration legislative proposal before Congress would reaffirm that the country “remains engaged in an armed conflict with Al Qaeda.”

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    The proposed guidelines combine several sets of procedures into a single document governing what F.B.I. agents can and cannot do in criminal and national security investigations.

    The review of the guidelines generated intense interest and occasional criticism from lawmakers and others over the summer, and the Justice Department took the unusual step on Friday of holding briefings for reporters and for civil rights advocates and showing them the draft plan.

     

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    20 Responses to “Terror Plan Would Give F.B.I. More Power”

    1. wads Says:

      holy crap

      they could watch anyone then plainly say they got an anonymous tip and there would be no come back.

    2. Luke Says:

      to investigate suspicions of terrorism inside the United States, even without any direct evidence of wrongdoing

      Translation: to spy on anyone inside the United States without the need for a legal/valid reason.

    3. Kshatriya Says:

      This is madness, all this talk of terrorism, preemptive wars, invasions, shredding our constitution, and now they want to increase the pressure on Joe Sixpack who isn’t even thinking about anything more than paying the bills, catching a beer buzz, and getting some leg now and then. Even if there were “terrorists”, how many people would actually be in danger? A few thousand? Cigarettes kill 10,000 x more people. Alcohol kills more, dumping dioxin into rivers kills more, flash-floods kill more, the list goes on and on, is it balanced to spend TRILLIONS of dollars, wipe out countries, overturn the very principles our nations founders built the USA upon, is it balanced to do all that and SO much more to supposedly “protect” the people from the evil “terrorists”? This is crazy man. I pray that an advanced extra-terrestrial convoy would come and offer asylum to sane people who would like to leave this planet. The freaking psycho spook super-agent Inspector Gadget NWO shock troops, Dick Cheney and all the neocops could stay here and fuckin play secret agent man and GI-Joe all they wanted, they can fucking have it all. Its breaking my mind man, they just keep taking it to a higher level of insanity every day. Where does it end up? If you look at it all as a mathmatical equation, what is the result? I’ll tell you; the result is the MATRIX, SKYNET, 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Its all that rolled into one my cousins, and for what? To “protect” us? Better to live free with a little risk than to live like a state-controlled mind-slave and be “safe”.

    4. karlkat Says:

      http://lr-n-r.org/InstitutionalizedTyranny.html
      One of the more important statutory restrictions which secures and reinforces Congress’ authority is at 4 U.S.C. §§ 71 & 72. The first of these sections establishes territory within the current borders of the District of Columbia as the seat of government for the United States; the second prohibits any government department from operating outside the District of Columbia save as Congress authorizes by statute:
      Sec. 72. Public offices; at seat of Government
      All offices attached to the seat of government shall be exercised in the District of Columbia, and not elsewhere, except as otherwise expressly provided by law.
      In this context, we see what should be lawful constraint on the Federal Bureau of Investigation by examining origins and statutory authority of the FBI: Read notes following 28 U.S.C. § 531 to find that Congress didn’t create the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI simply appeared in the Department of Justice — it is an administratively-created entity, so cannot exceed authority originally vested in the Attorney General or the Department of Justice. Statutory authority vested in the FBI and the Attorney General is found at 28 U.S.C. § 535:
      The Attorney General and the Federal Bureau of Investigation may investigate any violation of title 18 involving Government officers and employees…
      Administrative creation of the FBI is confirmed in The United States Government Manual, 1996/97 edition, page 349:
      “The Federal Bureau of Investigation was established in 1908 by the Attorney General, who directed that Department of Justice investigations be handled by its own staff…”
      What authority does the FBI have to investigate and otherwise bother people in the several States other than Government officers and employees? De facto authority — “I can, therefore I will.” The FBI has no statutory authority to disturb anyone in the Union of several States other than government officers and employees. Therefore, 4 U.S.C. § 72, in addition to constitutional limitations, constrains FBI investigations in the Union of several States to subject matter prescribed by statute, that being 28 U.S.C. § 535, cited above.
      —————————————————————-
      It appears that the FBI is implementing provisions of the Patriot Act, which is a Treaty with Europe.

      Council of Europe Convention on the Prevention of Terrorism
      Warsaw, 16.V.2005 http://conventions.coe.int/Tre.....96.htm#ANX
      The member States of the Council of Europe and the other Signatories hereto,

      1 For the purposes of this Convention, “public provocation to commit a terrorist offence” means the distribution, or otherwise making available, of a message to the public, with the intent to incite the commission of a terrorist offence, where such conduct, whether or not directly advocating terrorist offences, causes a danger that one or more such offences may be committed
      Article 8 – Irrelevance of the commission of a terrorist offence
      For an act to constitute an offence as set forth in Articles 5 to 7 of this Convention, it shall not be necessary that a terrorist offence be actually committed.

      (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001
      SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
      TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113B > § 2331

      (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
      (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
      (B) appear to be intended—
      (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
      (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
      (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
      (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
      —————————————————————-
      This code section was added to protect foreign diplomats who may be in the United States,based on a agreement with Europe, that they protect U.S diplomats in Europe.
      This is the code section that Amy Goodman is charged with violating.
      In the Supreme Court Decision Downes v. Bidwell, the Court stated that terms of a Treaty are not enforcible in the several states of the Union. Perhaps the law makers of MN.are aware of this, since the state provisions for the Treaty is based on radio stations owned by the state.

    5. CB_Brooklyn Says:

      Alaskan magnetometers went BONKERS with every 9/11 “event”, including the planes-shaped holes appearing in the towers. HAARP was involved.

      No one in New York reported the deafening sound of wide-body commercial airliners hitting the towers at full throttle.

      In 1999, the Washington Post reported on the military’s psychological operation hologram project.

      See here for source information and much much more:

      9/11: Distinguishing The Propaganda From The Smoking Guns
      http://www.checktheevidence.co.....;Itemid=60

    6. Frank Says:

      Lock and load, people. The only thing that will save this country now and return it to the principles the founding fathers based it on is another revolution and civil war. Do Americans want to live in a repressive, facist police state like the Russians endured between 1917 and 2000? I didn`t think so.

      Will you be ready to defend yourselves and your families from the new world order criminals when the time comes?

    7. Lock N Load is RIGHT Says:

      the United States is on the verge of a Martial Law declaration, no doubt on the heels of an ‘unprovoked’ attack by the U.S. on Iran., or perhaps the total ‘financial collapse’ of the U.S., which could happen any day.

      it’s a case of the scummy vermin trying desperately to save their own corrupt, mass murdering assholes! they carried out the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, and have been guilty of HIGH TREASON, MASS MURDER and TORTURE and UNPROVOKED AGGRESSION AND WAR for a very very long time.

      it must come to an end. really, it must!

    8. Jamesm Says:

      Here’s a little poem about uncontrolled overtime being racked up by COPS (FBI, CIA, IRS etc.)–>

      Chaos and confusion, the darkness will show,
      That the money is missing, but where did it go?
      Uncontrolled overtime ‘tis nothing new,
      Their uniforms are colored mostly BLUE!
      Ransacking the treasury with the approval of Ray, RAY KELLY NYC police chief)
      Who keeps steadfastly looking the other way,
      Or does that leader now have a gun to his head?
      Koch’s Khan will do that, arm twisting is dead, (KOCH”S KHAN = UNION NEGOTIATORS)
      Imagine that sheriff in Haiti, guns ablazing,
      Back home in NY, held hostage, so amazing!
      Accountants disabled-their minds with bad storage?
      Computers and calculators get blamed for the carnage!
      Actuaries give in to the stiff-armed tactics,
      Of the mafias and mayors and the other addicts
      Of power and influence so enamored,
      Those leaders say, “we won’t be detoured!”
      Unsuspecting, complicit what does it matter?
      No money comes out when the piggy banks shatter!
      No one keeps track, the records are hidden,
      TVs, computers and radios are driven,
      By the news of today: LIES coupled with HATE,
      As society continues to shop and disintegrate!
      Get a job with government if you don’t want to work,
      And if they force you just use workers’ comp as a perk,
      The cops will complain that those in red hats are worst,
      If it were possible that budget would burst!
      Some people think the falling towers was a big plan,
      If that’s true it suggests some sleight of hand!
      “To take from the people we need a good reason,
      And A TAX must always be made in the right season!”

      James Mansfield

    9. Jamesm Says:

      wads: they could watch anyone then plainly say they got an anonymous tip and there would be no come back…and they get paid for doing it!

      what incentive

    10. yo yo ma Says:

      great… just what they need. isn’t this all so blatantly obvious they’re getting ready for something worse?

      have you guys seen this website? http://www.rawair.net

      this guy may be a wacko, but he’s saying computers release toxic chemicals into the air we breathe, and these chemicals are making us all fat and stupid.

    11. WakeUp Says:

      Hear that hissing sound? That’s freedom being sucked right out the window.

    12. MAR Says:

      I don’t want to be SAFE. I WANT TO BE FREE!

    13. XXXpower Says:

      OK, we all know that the FBI has enough power. Why are we worrying about this nonsense?

      You need to know the ROOT cause of this world horror, once and for all.

      http://www.illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com

      No more excuses. No more playing around.
      No more worrying and digging for truths.
      Click. It’s there.

      .
      .
      .
      .

    14. Oscar Says:

      They already have too much power. For several months I’ve been recieving e-mails from the Bank of Nigeria, claiming that a rich client had died leaving no heirs wanting me to claim the money as sole beneficiary. They stated that 10.5 million U.S. dollars had been deposited into an account at Bank of America in my name, and all they needed is some basic info. so the money could be released to me. I knew it was some sort of scam, but I wasn’t sure if it was a swindle or a set up, so each time I got another I deleted them. I got my answer Friday when I recieved an e-mail from the FBI “ANTI-TERRORIST AND MONETARY CRIMES DIVISION” concerning the e-mails I’ve been recieving, If I don’t provide them with a “Diplomatic Immunity Seal Of Transfer” they’re going to charge me with “Illeagally Moving Funds Out Of Nigeria”. I haven’t tried to claim this money because it’s not mine, so why is the FBI threatening me for doing nothing?

    15. hazna han Says:

      Two Words and a Date:

      Revolution

      Liberty

      1776

    16. dRapNOid Says:

      BREAKING NEWS!! ALEX JONES ARRESTED FOR RAPING A 3-OLD-BOY! TURN ON CNN OR FOX NOW!!! NOTHING ON THE INTERNET YET. IF YOU KNOW A GOOD LAWYER, CALL HIM. THIS IS A BULLSHIT SETUP. ALEX WAS GETTING TOO CLOSE WITH THE TRUTH. THOSE BASTARDS.

    17. 1984 Says:

      Neoconservatives plan Project Sarah Palin to shape future American foreign policy

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....olicy.html
      “”She’s bright and she’s a blank page…”

    18. CANUCK Says:

      Infowarriors;

      DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK PROVIDED BY SAker! IT WILL GIVE YOUR COMPUTER A SERIOUS VIRUS. STAY AWAY!

    19. 4.6% Says:

      Jewisn porn: the best. Girls, boys, animals, you name it.

      http://rawair.net/


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