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The Alex Jones Show – L I V E – May 28 With Lew Rockwell
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Thursday, May 28, 2009
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May 29th, 2009 at 6:27 am
While it may seem that Libertarianism is the solution to our present evil – namely, a tyrannical Atheistic government – I am convinced that the tyrannical Atheistic government is rather the punishment for Libertarianism – or “Liberalism”. Why am I convinced of this?…
Libertarianism is the individual philosophy of Satanism brought to the social level. What is the philosophy of Satanism? It is, to quote the Satanist Aleister Crowley, “do what they wilt is the whole of the law”.
Libertarianism (”do what they wilt”) is a false liberty: It is the exact opposite of Christian Liberty. Whereas Christian Liberty could be defined as “do as though ought”, Satanic Liberty is “do as thou will”. Why is this evil?
If there was not a God who gave us a law; and if man was not obliged to follow that law Libertarianism would be fine; but since there is a God who gives us a law, the system that teaches us to “do as thou wilt” (as long as it does not harm another person) teaches man that the only god he must obey is himself (as long as he does not harm another “god” – his neighbor).
True Christian liberty, as mentioned above, is the liberty to do as we ought. What does this mean? It is the liberty to live according to our reason, which forms its judgments based on the foundation of God’s law. Let’s take an example…
Let’s say that a certain man was addicted to drugs, which prevented him from holding a job and supporting his family. Such a man would know that drugs were a problem even though he is unable to stop using them. Such a person is not free in the Christian sense of the word. He is instead a slave to his addiction – to his lower nature (to use a biblical word, his “flesh”). The exact same is true, to one degree or another, with the person who is a slave to this or that passion or emotion. The Bible teaches that “the servant of sin is a slave to sin”; and the slave is not a free man – not in the Christian sense of the word. “Where the spirit of Christ is” we are told,” there is liberty”. In other words, when the spirit of Christ governs a man, the man is truly free.
Man is by nature rational. Therefore, when man acts according to reason he is acting according to his nature. Our passions and emotions, which are part of man’s lower nature, are to be subject t his reason (his higher nature), not the other way around. When man is living “the other way around” he is a slave, and not a free man. Why is he a slave? Because the part of man that “thinks” is to govern the part of man that does not. In other words, man’s reason is to govern his lower nature, and when it does not man becomes a slvage – “the servant of sin is the slave of sin” The liberty to live according to our right reason (informed by the law of God) is true Christian Liberty.
The opposite of this is true Christian liberty is Satanic Liberty. This “liberty” teaches man, not do as he ought, but rather “do as he wills”. The word “will” means to desire. Satanic liberty teaches man to do what he desires, instead of what he ought.
Now, Libertarianism is this false liberty, which the Satanist proclaims for man as an individual, brought to the social level. Libertarianism is simply another form of Liberalism. The substance of the two are identical: They both seek to free man from his duty of obedience to God’s law.
I find it very interesting how many pieces of the puzzle Alex and his guests have brought forward. I keep thinking they are going to put the puzzle together and see the true picture, but so far I don’t think they have. I am certain the re-written history that we have been subject to plays a large role in preventing them from seeing the true picture. Suffice it to say that what the New World Order seeks to replace has been painted as something quite different than it was – it is presented as evil, which is exactly contrary to reality.
What is the true picture of what is going on? Well, as Alex knows, they are building a New World Order. This piece of the puzzle is known by all. But what is the Old World Order? When that is discovered, the puzzle begins to take shape and the picture becomes more clear.
First of all, let it be known that the organized body that is creating the New World Order is the Freemasons. The Freemasons have infiltrated virtually all governments and Christianity. As a Catholic I can tell you that they have infiltrated the Catholic Church at very high levels. Many informed Catholics would say that they have worked their way into some of the most key positions and are pulling many strings. The guess Alex had on last week spoke of the Vatican Bank scandal, and the “P2”. What is the P2? It is a Masonic lodge. It was the Masons within who brought about this scandal through their activities . The battle taking place within the Church for the past 50 years between the infiltrators and the Catholics is intense, but that is another subject. The Freemasons, who have infiltrated everything, are the unifying force that has become the prime mover in 1.) destroying the Old World Order, and 2.) Building the New World Order.
The New World Order: I think it was Jasom Burmas that interviewed the person a few weeks ago who explained the occult fascination with democracy. The guest explained that we all consider democracy a good thing, but that the occultists considered it to have a certain evil power (I forget the word he used) associated with it. Well that is exactly right. Democracy is the form of government necessary for the New World Order to come into being. Democracy was necessary to destroy monarchy (which many people of good will see as a bad thing ). For the Christians reading, the only time democracy is found in the Bible resulted in a unified vote: Speaking with one voice the crowd declared: “let Him be crucified. We will not have this man to reign over us”. When the easily manipulated masses control things the results are fatal. Thus the necessity of democracy – “the will of the people”.
What was the enemy of the Freemasons? What was the thing they sought above all to destroy? Look it up for yourself. The enemy was “altar and throne”.
Altar and throne represented Christendom. When Altar and throne were united, Church and State were united – this in such a way that the laws of the State reflected to laws of God. During the days of Christendom (the history of which has been re-written and twisted) what God forbade, the State forbade. The laws of the State, the purpose of which is to help direct man in his actions, was in accord with the laws of God. What God forbade the State forbade.
This had to go. Instead of man being guided by the will of God, it was first to be guided by “the will of the people” (or so they thought). The tyranny of the majority was in reality the tyranny of the State who manipulated the “majority” – to which the others were forced to submit. In the end, and this is where we are moving rapidly today, the Atheistic State will control all things and the massed will be there slaves.
Liberalism was the means utilized to destroy the Old World Order in order to bring about the New. Whereas the Old World Order taught man to follow the laws of God, Liberalism taught man that he was “free” – meaning free to do what he wants (just like Aleister Crowley taught).. As Liberalism convinced man that he had no King but himself, the old World order was gradually destroyed. In accord with the masses during the days of our Lord, Liberalism said “We will not have this man to reign over us – Let Him be crucified”.
I always imagine God looking upon the earth and saying: “So, you want to be free from my law? You want to do as you please without respect to my commands? Then I’ll let you be a slave to the Atheistic State.”
And that is where we are today. Man, who wanted to be free from God’s law, will find himself a servant of the devil through his minions who have taken over. Whereas Christendom punished evil and rewarded good, the New World Order will punish good and reward evil.
Much more could be written on this subject, but suffice it to say: We are now reaping the rewards of Liberalism. The ones who wanted to be free to do what they willed (the Liberals) , still want to be free to do what they will (the Libertarians)… but God deigned otherwise. Those who seek to free themselves from God’s law will become slaves of the devil – and this happens on the individual level, and now on the social level. On the individual level the person will become a slave to sin; on the social level he will become the slave to the state. The reality is that man either serves God, or the devil – “you are either for me, or against me”, our Lord said. Having sought to be free from the one, we are becoming the slaves to the other. God help us!
Hal Reply:
May 30th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Think you could boil all that into 3 simple sentences for the intellectually challenged among us?
Thanks, Hal
Satanist is a person who doesn’t think like you do? That’s what I’ve found with people who like to throw that word around. It also gives users the defacto idea that Satan exists, then so must God. So are you out to convert or inform?
May 29th, 2009 at 9:50 am
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May 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Be careful of the skunks out there in the woods Alex. We cant afford to lose you
Dumb Shits Reply:
May 29th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
It was a fine sunny day as two young skunks were scurrying about in the woods, mindless and carefree. Suddenly, one skunk turned and said to the other, “My instincts tell me its going to rain.”
The other skunk paused, as though deep in thought, and then replied. “That’s funny,” he said, “My end stinks and it don’t tell me nothing!”
Alex needs more than a week in the woods.
It’s his life about to implode
May 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Veritas–
You have some very valid points (and in great detail). The scripture says, “He that committeth sin is the servant of sin.” And indeed, when men persist in ignoring the law of God, he will turn them over to be enslaved by that which they have desired. I would encourage you to go to http://www.swordofthevaliant.com to explore the teaching of the doctrine of Christ according to the Bible (and ONLY the Bible), and grow yet more in your knowledge and understanding of what is really going on in this evil world today. You may contact me through the website as well. It would be a pleasure to communicate with you, and with anyone who wishes to write me through the site.
May 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Clinton,
Thank you, I will visit that sight; but if I follow your advise and “explore the teaching of the doctrine of Christ according to the Bible (and ONLY the Bible)”, I will be acting exactly contrary to what the Bible itself teaches. Why do I say that?
Because if I follow only that which is found explicitly stated in the Bible, I will have to ignore the teaching of St. Paul, as found in the Bible, in which he exhorts us to “hold fast to the Traditions you have received, whether by word of mouth, or by epistle” (2 Thess 2:14(or 15). Here the Bible itself teaches that we are to hold fast to the entire gospel of Jesus Christ, not simply that which was explicitly put to writing, but that which was passed on “by word of mouth”.
So, for example, holding fast to the entire gospel of Jesus Christ, I know that the Sabbath (meaning the day of rest) was tranfered to Sunday, and that Polygamy is no longer permitted. Neither of these are explicitly taught in the Bible (although a case can be made for these teachings from the Bible). In fact, when Martin Luther was confronted with the issue of polygamy, being forced into a corner by his new theory of sola scriptura (the Bible alone), he responded as follows:
Martin Luther: “I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God.” (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
By holding fast to the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ (not only that which is explicitly stated in the Bible, but that which was handed down, as Paul says, “by word of mouth”) many gaps are filled in. That is why the Bible itself says what it does in 2 Thess 2. But there’s more…
What is even more interesting about 2 Thess 2:14 (15 in some versions) is the context. Yes, the context makes the teaching that much more important. What is the context?
The context is dealing with the Antichrist and the great apostasy (which we are living through today). It is in this context of a great falling away from the truth of Jesus Christ that St. Paul provides the antidote for not being deceived. And what is the Divine antidote? It is to hold fast to ALL the traditions that have been passed down to us, not only that which was written, but the oral teachings as well. This helps prevent us from misinterpreting the Bible.
It is very easy for people to “twist the Scriptures to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16), through a misunderstanding of what was meant. This danger is lessened when we hold fast, not merely to our personal interpretation of this or that verse, but to what has been believed by Christians from the beginning.
It is interesting to read the writings of the Church fathers – those who were taught by the disciples themselves (St. Polycarp, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Clement who is mentioned in the Bible, etc.) It is interesting to see how what they believed and taught corresponds to what we believe; or, to put it another way: to see how their interpretation of this or that verse compares to ours.
I’ll conclude with this: Since the time the doctrine of Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) was introduced by Luther in the early 16th century, the groups that have followed that teaching have divided continuously. It began with a dozen or so denominations at the time of Luther to over 30,000 denomnations at the turn of this century (Baron’s Encyclopedia, 2001). All of these groups are divided by their interpretation of the Bible.
The Bible is indeed a divinely inspired book, but our interpretation of it is not. And this is the problem with the theory of the Bible alone. It may have made sense to Luther and his followers, but let us not forget that “there is a way that seemeth right to man, but the end thereof is death.
I’ll end with a few quotes from Luther which give us a glimpse of the fruits of this doctrine at the time of its origin.
Luther: “This one will not hear of Baptism, that one denies the Sacraments, another puts a world between this and the last day: some teach that Christ is not God, some say this, some say that: there are about as many sects and creeds as there are heads. No Yokel is so rude but when he has dreams and fancies, he thinks himself inspired by the Holy Ghost and must be a prophet”.
Luther: “Noblemen, townsmen, peasants, all classes understand the Evangelium better than I or St. Paul” said Luther ” they are now wise and think themselves more learned than all the ministers”.
Luther: “There is no smearer but whenever he has heard a sermon or can read a chapter in German, makes a doctor of himself, and crowns his ass, convincing himself that he knows everything better than all who teach him”.
Luther: “How many doctors have I made by preaching and writing” asked Luther in frustration “Now they say, Be off with you. Go off with you. Go to the devil. Thus it must be. When we preach they laugh. …when we get angry and threaten them, they mock us, snap their fingers at us and laugh in their sleeves”.
Luther: “When we have heard or learned a few things about Holy Scripture” admitted Luther “we think we are already doctors and have swallowed the Holy Ghost, feathers and all”
This confusion was the immediate result of Luther’s theory of the Bible alone – and it has only got worse since. If you are interested, here’s a link to an article I wrote on this topic wherein the above quotes are sourced: http://wasthepoperight.blogspo.....bible.html
Hal Reply:
May 30th, 2009 at 12:03 am
I think the Bible is the most confusing book I’ve ever read. Sure glad there is no shortage of persons willing to illustrate their spiritual erudition by enlightening me about “holy scriptures.”
May 29th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Veritas, you have much theological study.
I would submit to you, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, 3 things, thus:
1). 2 Thessalonians 2:15, which reads, “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” …clearly asserts that the traditions being spoken of were already at that time taught to the disciples by the apostles, and they were at that time established in them; and in no wise allows for the assumption that there are any other authoritative teachings or traditions beside those which God has preserved in the scripture.
2). While the scripture teaches that the first day of the week (which the Romans have called “Sunday”) is the “Lord’s day”, and that the disciples had the tradition of meeting together on that day each week for fellowship and breaking of bread (Revelation 1:10, Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2), the notion that Sunday is the sabbath day is a false tradition taught by the denominations. The scriptue makes clear in the NT that the sabbath days are a shadow of things to come, were fulfilled in Jesus Christ, and, although the days will come when the Jews will again observe them in holiness, they are a work of the law which is passed away as far as the NT church of Jesus Christ is concerned. There is a page on the website I gave you that goes into more detail on the subject. The sabbath rest for the NT bride of Christ is receiving his spirit and living by faith until he comes again (Hebrews 3&4).
There is no sabbath day for the NT church of God. Paul the apostle taught that Christians are to “Keep the feast”, which is the passover, a 7-day feast which covers the whole week, and teaches holiness at all times, as it is written, “Be ye holy, for I am holy.”
3)The Bible clearly teaches that the practice of a man having more than one wife is no longer permitted since the resurrection of Christ. That could go into a lot of detail, and would make for a long paragraph; suffice it to say that if you search the scriptures you will find it to be so.
Although Martin Luther did have some very important and true revelation for the people of God in his day, still he was a Catholic monk, and until his death held many of the erroneous practices and doctrines of the Roman church. He was used of God in a mighty way, but at the same time as a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ I cannot take the teachings of Luther as authoritative. I must judge all teaching and prophecy by the scripture (which itself was Luther’s foremost confession), because it is the scripture, and ONLY the scripture, which is given by inspiration of God, and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16)
The Holy Bible (KJV if you read English) is not to be interpreted. It is rather to be read and obeyed. Those portions of the Bible which are allegorical in nature, and require interpretation, are interpreted elsewhere in the same Book. The reason that denominations exist with their false doctrines and traditions is not because of sola scriptura; it is rather because of their own willfullness in choosing to cleave to their own way and tradition rather than the clear teaching of the word of God.
For instance, the word of God teaches clearly that a woman is to be silent in the church, and that it is a shame for her to speak in the church. If she will learn any thing, let her ask her husband at home…But try to tell that today to the rebellious women who think themselves to be “pastors” and “apostles” ! They read the Bible, too…as do the sodomites who profess to be “Christians”, and with their lives violate the very word they bring under their arms to their churches! These people are not “misinterpreting” the Bible. They are just disobeying it. And because of that God has turned them over to a reprobate mind, and they cannot see the truth, neither will they until such time as God grants them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.
Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” (1 Corinthians 14:34)
“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:27)
Neither of these words from God require interpretation. they are so simple that a little child could understand them. But the theologians and great wise men of this world will never figure it out, because they refuse to humble themselves and obey. To them the word of God will always be some allegorical, metaphorical puzzle or code, to be unlocked by their great intellect…As Isaiah wrote of them,
“But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.”
But to those who are the Master’s sheep his word is perfectly simple. It means what it says. Just obey it and live.
I hope this will be a blessing to you neighbor.
In the Master’s royal service,
Clinton
May 29th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I’d say let Alex take the next 3 months off.
He NEEDS to decompress – the world won’t end – I promise.
He needs to focus on healing energy otherwise … self destruction.
May 29th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Clinton – you’re a DUMB SHIT – FUCK OFF!!
May 29th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Clinton,
First what we agree on: I agree completely that women should not hold positions of authority in the Church, but should “remain silent” as the Bible teaches. I read through your website and also agree that, as the Bible says, women should cover their heads in Church. This clear teaching of the Bible is the practice at the Churches I attend, and has been the constant practice in the Catholic Church since the days of the apostles.
Above you wrote the following: “The reason that denominations exist with their false doctrines and traditions is not because of sola scriptura; it is rather because of their own willfullness in choosing to cleave to their own way and tradition rather than the clear teaching of the word of God.”
Now, when I bring up the 30,000 + Protestant denominations and attribute it on Sola Scriptura, almost everytime the person will respond similar to how you did above: they will say that the problem is not with sola scriptura per se, but with those who mingle traditions of men along with their interpretation. The implication is that the person saying this has the correct interpretation, is not doing the exact same thing he accuses the others of.
This brings up a question: Is it possible that you yourself could be mingling “traditions of men” in with your reading of the Bible, and is this inadvertently hindering the sincerity (and accuracy) of your interpretation? Or are you simply reading the Bible and interpreting it exactly as it is written with no bias whatsoever? I have no doubt you sincerely believe it is the later; but as I will demonstrate it is, without question, the former.
My evidence for this is the first verse I quoted in our discussion (2 Thess. 2:14). This verse clearly tells us to hold fast, not to the Bible ALONE, but to all the traditions that were handed down, both written and orally. Now, this verse is in direct contradiction to the “tradition of man” know as Sola Scriptura.
Sola Scriptura (the Bible ALONE) is a teaching that is nowhere to be found in the Bible. You will search in vain to find one single verse that supports this doctrine. You will find many verses that teach the authority of scriptures, and its usefulness in teaching and correcting (which I completely agree with); but not one verse in the entire Bible teaches that the Bible and it ALONE is the sole authority for Christians. This makes the teaching a tradition of man; but it is more that simply a tradition of man: it is a “tradition of men that maketh void the word of God”. Why? Because the word of God explicitly teaches us to hold fast to oral traditions, which is exactly contrary to what Sola Scriptura teaches. Therefore, one of these teaching has to give way to the other – both cannot stand. Will it be the “tradition of men” known as sola scriptura, or will it be the inherent word of God itself? If you re-read what you wrote above, it was the explicit teaching of the inherent word of God – the Bible – that had to go.
For one who holds to sola scriptura, they cannot accept 2 Thess. 2:14 as it is written. Therefore, they have to find some way to undermining this verse – some way to show that what it says must not be true – some way to get around what it clearly teaches. After all, if we believe that the Bible ALONE is the authority, how can we accept a verse that exhorts us to hold fast to oral traditions? This intolerable contradiction between the tradition of men and the word of God cannot remain. The solution is that the word of God must be made void so that the tradition of men can remain.
But let’s take this a little further and test the theory of sola scriptura itself to see if it can hold up. First of all, let us realize a fact that many seem to have never considered: The Bible did not float down from heaven leather bound containing 27 books of the New Testament. In fact, we have no divinely inspired list of books that are to make up the New Testament canon. In the early years some books, such as the Shepherd of Hermas, the Didache, and the Epistle of Barnabas, were considered authoritative scripture by Christians, while books that now make up our New Testament Canon were held in suspicion. In other words, the Canon of Scripture that makes up our New Testament today was not universally recognized by the early Christians as it is today.
Now, when Luther came along not only did he deny the divine inspiration of the seven books he removed from the old Testament (the seven books that are excluded from most Protestant Bibles today, which is why the Protestant Bible has only 66 books rather than 73) – books which were in every Christian Bible up to the time of Luther; but Luther went further by denying the divine inspiration of many of the New Testament books as well (this is something many Protestants are unaware of), such as the epistle of James, Hebrews, the Apocalypse (Revelation), and more (if you read the article I linked to earlier I list these books and give the quotes from Luther regarding them).
This brings us to the question: Based on sola scriptura (the bible alone), how do you know what books actually belong in the Bible? Where is the Divinely inspired list that provides this answer? And if no list exists, how do you know for sure that the final canon contained the correct books? And lastly, who was it that selected the canon of the New Testament which all Christians now accept? If you don’t know, the answer may surprise you.
I have responses to your other three points as well, but for the sake of time I’ll pass on commenting for now.
May 30th, 2009 at 5:04 am
Hal,
Simply put, if you read the writings of those who openly claim to be Satanists, they will tell you that their philosophy is this: “Do what thou will”. In other words, do whatever you want to do. That is the heart of the Satanic philosophy according to the Satanists themselves.
This philosophy is contrary to what Christianity teaching in that Christianity teaches that we are to do God’s will – in other words, we are supposed to do what God wants, which is not always what we may want. For example I might get mad and want to hit someone, or want to steal something, but according to what God wills I’m supposed to refrain from acting out on these desire. My lower nature (my passions and desires, etc.) which are incapable of thinking, are to be controled by my higher nature (my reason) which does think.
Now Libertarianism, or “Liberalism” (they are basically the same) takes this philisophy of Satanism and enshrines it as the “law” of the land. Libertarianism says man should be allowed to “do what he wants” (as long as it doesn’t harm another person – which, by the way, is what some branches of Satanism also say). Virtually every form of behavior is to be “legal” in the sense that it is not contrary to the civil law.
Why do I think Libertarianism is bad? One reason it is bad (and this is not the only reason) is because it will end in a chaotic society. The purpose of law is to direct man in his actions. Man has, what is called, the “natural law” imprinted on his very nature. This natural law gives man an internal sense of right and wrong. But this sense is not always strong, and can become lessened through repeated bad actions. In addition to this natural law man also needs civil laws (which are to be in line with this natural law) to help direct him to his actions, so that he behaves as he ought. Civil law should be an external reflection of the natural law. The laws of Christianity are simply that: They are a visible reflection of the natural law, which is stamped upon man’s nature.
When people begin to act contrary to the natural law, it will result in all kinds of psycological problems. This is true even if they are acting within the scope of bad civil laws. For example, according to civil law, a women is allowed to have an abortion. Now, you may not be aware of this, but this often causes all kinds of psycological problems for the young lady. My friends girlfriend had an abortion and went off the deepend. She went totally crazy. Psycological problems (which are rampant today) are often the result of repeatedly acting contrary to the natural law within us. That is one reason why we need good civil laws to help direct man in his actions. Good civil laws are simply a means to help man act according to his nature.
In conclusion: What Satanism does for the individual; namely, tells him that he can “do what he wills”, Libertarianism does for on the social level. Therefore, although Libertarianism may seem like a cure for Atheistic and Marxist state, which will enslave us all if it comes to fruition, it would only be a temporary fix that would end right back where we are today.
May 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Veritas–
I will keep this brief, both because if you would communicate with me about the word of God it would be better to use my email than the Alex Jones forum, and also because it is evident that you are unable to hear the word of God.
In your first letter to me, you misquoted a verse of the scripture, namely 2 Thessalonians 2:15; which after I quoted it correctly to you in a letter, you still are unable to hear. The language of the verse, and its context, is quite clear, and yet you , because of the traditions to which you cleave, still refuse to hear what Paul was saying therein. So, I perceive that to expound it to you further would be superfluous. As the Lord said to your fathers, “Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word.”
You know theology. I know Jesus Christ. The two are not compatible; but are verily at enmity with one another. You cannot know God through theology. You can only know him through his word, by reading and obeying and serving.
You belong to a religious organization which Jesus Christ calls, “Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth”. She is the religion of the Romans and is pagan in origin and practice. She teaches and practices everything that God has condemned in his word. That is why you must necessarily have to reject the word of God in order to remain Catholic. The Catholic church and the NT church of Jesus Christ are as different as night and day.
In the church of Jesus Christ in the NT of the Holy Bible, there are no:
Popes
costumes
holy water
infant baptisms
catechism
trinity
statues
rosary
eucharist
sacraments
confessionals
clergy & laity
cathedrals
relics
seminaries
flattering titles
etc…
…because all these things are contrary to the declaration of the word of God to his church. Christians do not allow or teach or practice those things because they are forbidden by God in his word.
But the Catholic church, and all her protestant daughters, keep and do them because they fully reject the word of God and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. Thereby they have separated themselves from God and are perishing in their vain religion. God will be worshipped in Spirit and in truth, not by the traditions of men. All they shall perish in the lake of fire who have rejected the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ, and joined themselves to the sorceress who calls herself “Mother Church”. She is the center of divination, and God will cast her into a bed, and all those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. (Revelation 2:22)
Furthermore, let me reiterate yet again, Veritas (quite an ironic title for you!), that the Bible does not require interpretation, nor have I endeavoured at any time to interpret it to you. The Bible is the word of God, and it is to be read, and obeyed. Period. It is perfectly simple to those who will humble themselves and bow down and obey. But it is forever hidden from the eyes of the scholars and wise men of this world.
You will never come to know Jesus Christ through theology. Theology is witchcraft.
You will only come to know him through reading and obeying his word.
This day you have been sent a message from God himself by the mouth of one of his own. What you do with it is between you and him alone. If you reject me, you reject not me, but him that sent me. And the word that I have spoken unto you, the same shall judge you in the last day.
Amen.
—Clinton
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May 31st, 2009 at 4:51 am
Clinton,
A few final points: First of all, I read what you had to say about 2 Thess 2:14, the verse that explicitly tells us to hold fast to all the traditions we have received, both written and oral. Since you don’t believe that verse, you tried to explain it away – you tried to make void what the Bible clearly tachings; but the fact remain that this verse is a word for word contradiction to your doctrine of the Bible ALONE. And as I pointed out, there is not one single verse in the entire Bible that teaches that the bible, and it ALONE, is the sole authority for a Christian. This doctrine is a” tradition of men that maketh void the word of God” – namely, 2 Thess 2:14.
Second, you claim that you are not interpreting the Bible but merely reading it and applying what it says. You claim that the Bible requires no interpretation. That is not correct. Anything that is read requires an interpretation. Interpretation is the process by which the mind understanding what is being communicated – and the Bible requires that. Whether you realize it or not, your entire website is you interpreting this or that verse, and explaining what you believe they mean. If the Bible doesn’t require interpretation, or explanation, why have your written so much on your website about what the Bible means? Why not just quote the Bible and eliminate your “explanations”?
But it’s interesting. If you really just read the Bible and applied what it clearly taught, you would admit that Christians are to hold fast to “oral traditions”, since that it clearly what it teaches. But this does not square with your tradition of men. Therefore you twist this verse so far that for you it means the exact opposite of what it says – namely, that we are NOT to hold fast to oral traditions.
Now, you list a lot of things the Catholic Church teaches that you think are unbiblical. You left one common one out of the list. Do you know which one that is? It is the Catholic teaching that we are to hold fast to both the written and oral traditions that have been passed down to us – just like St. Paul teaches us to do in 2 Thess.
Space will not permit a reply to all of the Catholic beliefs you listed so I’ll just reply to one of them to show that, not only is this teaching Biblical, but to further demonstrate that you do not believe the Bible you profess to believe in.
The Eucharist: This biblical teaching that you reject, is that communion in a Catholic Church is nothing less than the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. It is not a symbol, but the literal and actual living flesh and blood of Christ, just as Jesus said it was. This is another biblical teaching that you reject.
It actually doesn’t surprise me that you reject this teaching of Jesus, since even many of His very own disciples could not accept it. In fact, when Jesus first taught this many of the left Him “and walked no more with him”. These people claimed to believe in Jesus, but when He gave them a hard teaching, they fled. Here is an explanation of this teaching of Jesus that you ridicule the Catholic Church for believing… and I’ll provide a few quotes from the early Christians to show that they believed Jesus and accepted this teaching.
The Eucharist: In John Chapter six, Jesus had just performed another miracle. His followers, in order to show their faithfulness to Jesus, said: “What work must we do that we may work the work of God” (vs. 28). Jesus replied: “This is the work of God, that you believe in His whom He sent” (vs. 29). At this time they all claimed to believe. Then Jesus gave them a test to see if they really believe in Him…
Beginning on verse 48, Jesus said: “I am the living bread which came down from heaven, your fathers ate bread in the desert and are dead, anyone who eats of this bread will live forever and the bread which I will give is My Flesh for the life of the world” (John 6:48-51). After He said this, the Bible tells us the Jews murmured amongst themselves saying, “how can this man give us His Flesh to eat?” (Jn 6:53) Jesus then said, “Amen, Amen, Except you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you will have no life in you. He who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood hath eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day. For My Flesh is meat indeed and My Blood is drink indeed, he that eateth My Flesh and drinketh My Blood dwelleth in Me and I in Him. As the living Father has sent me and I live by the Father, so He that eateth Me, even He shall live by Me” (Jn 6:54-58). After he said this, we are told “many of his disciples left Him and walked no more with Him” (Jn 6:67) because they said “this is too hard of a saying, who can hear it” (Jn 6:61).
Because of this one teaching – the teaching that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood – many of his disciples left Him and never returned. They must have understood Him to mean that they would really have to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood or they would not have said “this is too hard of a saying, who can hear it”. And Jesus must have meant what He said or, out of the virtue of justice, He would have called them back, saying, “Wait, you have misunderstood what I meant, I was only speaking symbolically”. But He did not. Instead He said, “there are some of you who believe not” (Jn 6:65). That was the test of their belief (vs 29), and most failed.
So, the multitude claim to believe in Him, but when put to the test of believing a “hard teaching” of Jesus, they left Him “and walked to more with Him”. Today the unbelievers claim that Jesus didn’t mean what He said, but those who lived during that day – who heard Him with their own ears – could not make such a excuse. They knew that He meant exactly what He said, therefore, they fled. And when they left what did Jesus do? Did he call them back and try to convince them to return, or claim that they had misunderstood Him? No, instead he turned to His apostles and said: “are you going to leave also?” (Jn 6:68) Peter said, “no Lord, to whom would we go, you have the words of eternal life” (Jn 6:69).
Jesus was willing to allow all of His followers to leave him over this teaching. Fortunately, the Apostles (all except Judas) believe these word of Jesus and remained.
How were they to eat His flesh and drink His blood? At the Last Supper he tells them. As recorded in Mt 26:26 (and other places), at the Last Supper Jesus held up what appeared to be bread and said it was His Body; then held up what appeared to be wine and said it was His blood. He didn’t say it represented His body and blood, but that it WAS His body and blood. This is another clear teaching of Jesus that you reject. But not only do you reject it, you ridicule the Catholic Church for believing it.
This is what St Paul says in 1 Cor 11:23-25: “The Lord Jesus, the same night in which He was betrayed took bread: and when He had given thanks, broke it, and said, take, eat: ‘THIS IS MY BODY, which is given for you: do this in remembrance of Me’. In the same way also, after they had supped, He took the chalice, saying, drink ye all of it: ‘THIS IS THE CHALICE OF MY BLOOD, the blood of the New Testament, which for you and for many shall be shed for the remission of sins’.” (1Cor 11:23-25)
Notice, within the chalice it is the very blood “that shall be shed for the remission of sins”. This confirms that it is no longer wine, but rather exactly what Jesus said it was – namely, His very own blood.
Why don’t you believe what Jesus said? All the early Christians believe it, why do you reject it? Here’s a few quotes from the early Christians:
Theodore of Mopsuestia, AD405: “When [Christ] gave the bread he did not say, ‘This is the symbol of my body,’ but, ‘This is my body.’ In the same way, when he gave the chalice of his blood he did not say, ‘This is the symbol of my blood,’ but, ‘This is my blood’; for he wanted us to look upon the [Eucharistic elements] after their reception of grace and the coming of the Holy Spirit not according to their nature, but receive them as they are, the body and blood of our Lord. We ought . . . not regard [the elements] merely as bread and chalice, but as the body and blood of the Lord, into which they were transformed by the descent of the Holy Spirit.” (Theodore of Mopsuestia, Catechetical Homilies 5:1 [A.D. 405])
St. Cyril of Jerusalem, AD 350: “What appears to be bread is not bread, but Christ’s Body and what appears to be wine is not wine, but Christ’s Blood.” (Catechetical Lectures 22:9, 350 AD)
Irenaeus of Lyons, AD 189: “He has declared the chalice, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed chalice [wine and water] and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life – flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of him?” (Against the Heresies 5:2).
St. Gregory of Nyssa: “The bread is at first common bread; but when the mystery sanctifies it, it is called and actually becomes the Body and Blood of Christ.” (3rd Century)
St. Ambrose, AD 390: “Perhaps you may be saying, ‘I see something else; how can you assure me that I am receiving the body of Christ?’ It but remains for us to prove it. And how many are the examples we might use! . . . Christ is in that sacrament, because it is the body of Christ.” (The Mysteries 9:50, 58 [A.D. 390])
1 Cor 10:16: “The chalice of Blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the Blood of Christ? And the bread which we break, is it not the partaking of the Body of the Lord?” (1 Cor 10:16)
What the Catholic Church believes are the clear and unambiguous words of Jesus Christ, which have been believe by real Christians since day one – and there are many miracles thta prove this “hard” teaching. Just as Jesus Himself performed miracles to confirm that He was who He said He was, so too has He performed may Eucharistic Miracles for those who are weak in faith, in order to confirm that His teaching is true. One of these miracles, which has been ongoing for over 1200 years, is The Miracle of Lanciano, which has been tested numerous times by scientists. A google search will provide many websites that discuss this miracle.
So, while it doesn’t surprise me that you reject this teaching of Jesys, since even many of His own followers at the time did, at least have the sincerely to acknowledge that what the Catholic Church teaches is what the Bible teaches. And don’t twist the scriptures to support your unbelief.
Hopefully one day you will believe all of the Bible and not just this or that verse that fits in with the traditions of men you have been taught. If that day ever arrives, you will know it because you will enter the Holy Catholic Church – the Church that was founded by Jesus Christ 2000 years ago on Peter the apostle when he said “Thou art Peter (rock) and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And to you (Peter) I will give the key to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Mt 16:18-19.
Since that time there has been an unbroken line of Pope beginning with Peter, then Linus, then Clement, then Anticletus, all the way to the present Pope who is the 265 successor of Peter (the list of Popes can be confirmed in any encyclopedia).
I have more I could say but I’ll end here. I would just encourage you to set aside the traditions of men you have been taught and believe what the Bible teaches, as it is written. Then, if that day ever arrives, you will be on the sure path. Until then, all I can say is: may God open your mind to the truth.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:17 am
I find Veritas’ erudition very refreshing. He has done an excellent job of pointing to the logical inconsistencies and semantical impossibilities of the sola scriptura ideology. I have a few questions and comments for the members of this board. Let me predicate them by saying that although I listen avidly to the Alex Jones segments and read the news on Infowars, I am not a frequent reader of the comments here because of a total lack of civility and education in some of the members. The comments are generally so offensive that I have to skip them.
Therefore, in light of the intelligent converse afforded by Veritas here are my questions and comments for you who call yourselves Patriots:
1. You rightly decry and villainize members of secret societies, eugenicists, satanists, and globalists. Why then do you speak to one another as if you were the same kind of degenerates? I notice that Alex has taken to wearing proper attire on air and I commend him for it. If we stand for truth and justice then why do we allow ourselves to come off like uneducated, gutter-abiding imbeciles? Could having no restraints imposed upon our hedonistic urges – either externally or from within – be the cause of our embarrassing degeneracy? Are not the fruits of the veritable bane of “liberty” the regression to barbarism of men and women created for citizenship in Heaven? Is using courteous, discreet, civilized language too much to ask of the self-proclaimed heirs of truth?
2. Why is the patriot movement so virulently anti-Catholic?
3. Why have the irreplaceable teachings of the Catholic Church on Freemasonry and Communism, and the Church’s implacable enmity with the adherents of these secret antichrist sects been withheld from the patriotic audience?
4. Why has no distinction been made between the Catholics and the modernist/communist infiltrators who do all manner of evil in the name of the Church, and who are not even remotely Catholic, though they hold offices in the Church? Know you not that the homosexual predators, the liberation theologians, and the avaricious politicos are not Catholic?
5. Where does the phrase, “Liberty, Fraternity, and Equality,” come from? Is it not the enshrined false principle of the French Revolution which drew up its apostate Declaration of the Rights of Man to overthrow the Kingdom of God on earth? Do not all who call themselves libertarians also enshrine within their inmost hearts that devilish Freemasonic mantra? Reread Veritas’ first post, and use a dictionary if it’s over your head. Better you should come up to his level than that he should stoop to yours. You who call yourselves Libertarians are allowing yourselves to be the most useful of the useful idiots precisely because you have failed to study Natural Philosophy and Theology. The truth is one. It will not abide simultaneous contradictories.
And any one who publicly distinguishes between Theology and Jesus Christ manifests a high degree of ignorance of the Person of the Lord and His Doctrines, nay even a prideful reliance on that same ignorance. Christianity is doctrinal and objective, not sentimental and subjective. It’s not an egalitarian, democratic political movement. It is absolute Truth communicated to vessels of clay.
6. How many of you realize that the American Revolution, which you enshrine and venerate, is, in reality, a continuation of the Freemasonic French Revolution? The same Revolution is the reign of terror in France. The same Revolution is the reign of terror in Russia. Overreaction to the Communist menace is the reign of terror in Germany, itself a manifestation of the same Revolution. The same Revolution is what happened in America from the 1960’s onward. It is single-handedly responsible for the breakup of the American family, the destruction of the vocation of wife and mother, the dictatorship of communist indoctrination in the public schools, the corporate-fascist state, the Wall Street mafia takeover of the American economy, (which mafia also financed the Bolshevik Revolution and brought down the altars and thrones in Europe – which you applaud but would decry if you understood the realities), the insurance scam, and the medical-eugenics complex. See Aaron Russo’s interview wherein he talks of the plans for the destruction of our morality as communicated to him by the Rockefeller heir.
It’s time for the truth movement to grow up and throw off the last vestiges of the Revolution. We will continue to lose as long as we work for Freemasonic principles. Alex Jones has done a world of good, but this is the crucial moment of truth. Either we are a Christian force – the only real enemy of the NWO – or we are useful idiots. It’s time to ratchet ourselves up. It’s time to choose between true warfare under Christ the King or false warfare under satan. Jesus certainly did not please all men. The Truth never does. Neither can the Patriot movement please Christians, atheists, Jews, Muslims, and alien/reptilian ideologues. It has to decide what it is. It has to fight under a unified, non-contradictory banner, or it remains part of the enemy’s forces.
To try to forge a movement by combining antithetical elements is the way of the world and a recipe for disaster. God’s ways are not our ways, and we will never win this war. Only God can give the victory. Either we are Christians fighting to restore Christendom or we are part of the beast. It is only the Social Reign of Christ the King that offers us temporal hope. Never forget that God rules the universe. When He determines to put this thing down, it will fall away like chaff. But our obstinacy in rejecting His dominion over us puts that day afar off.
I invite you to read an example of true Catholic teaching here:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13human.htm
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June 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Man, You are all brainwashed. Alex is right; people will have to save themselves. God – The Universe does not interfere in any planetary affairs, except by natural laws and the law of cause and effect. Those that are or have been scammed on the “Jesus band wagon”, a complete fraud about someone that newer exited, created by Roman hierarchy. His real name was Jmmanuel, and is nowadays reincarnated (”second-came”) as “Billy” Eduard Albert Meier. By the way, “The Holly Bible”, the book of holly lies it the book created by the same Roman hierarchy (Vatican) as Jesus was. Catholicism is masked infant sacrificing sun worshiping, hiding behind completely distorted Jmmanuel’s (Jesus’) teachings. ALL religions of the world (except Buddhism and Hare Krishna Society) were created by Roman hierarchy for the purpose of dividing people so they wouldn’t unite against Illuminati Fascist New World Order and their One World Religion, when infant, young girls and virgins sacrifices to goddess Diana and Vulcan (the Sun) will be reintroduced in the temples. If people would really understand into what slaves they will be turned into, when they will be microchipped, put into the cities, controlled and manipulated by supercomputer, in the Illuminati Fascist New World Order, there would be a complete world revolution yesterday. We need to revolt while we still have a chance. Microchip will be implanted into people during the obligatory, twice performed, anti Swine Flue vaccination project in the near future. Waiting for someone to save us is exactly why the Roman hierarchy wrote those lies in the “holly” books, so we wouldn’t revolt and therefore be enslaved without resistance. If You would like the truth about Jmmanuel (Jesus), look up for the teachings of “Billy” Eduard Albert Meier, particularly his Talmud of Jmmanuel. Good Luck!
June 1st, 2009 at 6:30 am
Aquinas,
That was a magnificent post. I love the way you link truth with goodness. Truth and goodness go hand in hand. As such, the one who seeks the truth should simultaneous aspire after goodness – this in both our interior and exterior life.
Next you ask why the Patriot Movement is anti-Catholic. The reason is two-fold: America is a Protestant country. Since Protestantism was born through a “protest” of the Catholic Church, it is in the fabric of Protestantism to despise Catholicism. This has resulted in the most twisted and distorted history of the Catholic Church, and thus Christendom, that is imaginable. It is portrayed exactly contrary to the reality. For the entire truth to be known – for the big picture to come into view – this bias must be overcome in order to enable the truthseeker to see the Old World Order for what it truly was; then they will realize why the Freemasons – who openly worship Lucifer – sought to destroy it. In learning about the Old World Order, they will learn how to fight the New. This will prevent them from fighting the New World Order with the very principles that gave birth to it.
If they desire to see the errors of Freemasonry exposed, they should read the writings of the eternal foe of Freemasonry – the Roman Pontiff, who exposed their plans. After the execution of Ling Louis XVI of France at the time of the French Revolution, the Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite said: “half the work is done; thenceforward, the Army of the Temple is to direct all it’s efforts against the Pope.”
Bulletin of the Grand Orient of France, pg 183, AD 1892: “The fight taking place between Catholicism and Freemasonry is a fight to the very death, ceaseless and merciless.”
Letter to Piccolo Tigre: “The conspiracy against the Roman See should not confound itself with other projects… It is of absolute necessity to de-Catholicize the world… The Revolution in the Church is the Revolution en permanence… Let us not conspire except against Rome. For that, let us put to profit every kind of eventuality. Let us be principally on our guard against the exaggerations of zeal. A good hatred, thoroughly cold, thoroughly calculated, is of more worth than all these artificial fires and all these declarations of the platform.”
“TO FIGHT AGAINST PAPACY IS A SOCIAL NECESSITY AND CONSTITUTES THE CONSTANT DUTY OF FREEMASONRY.” (Masonic International Congress held in Brussels 1904, page 132 of the report. ).
The Old World Order, dear friends, is Christendom. That is what the Freemasons have destroyed, and which is rapidly being replaced by the reign of Satan on earth. The Protestant Patriots fighting the New World Order are doins so using the very principles upon which it was founded (Liberty, Equality, Fraternity), and joining with them in fighting the same common enemy – namely, Christendom. This is the piece of the puzzle they have not yet figured out – but they are close. As I mentioned in the earlier post, Alex has many pieces of the puzzle in place and seem to be progressing further. Once the bias formed by distorted history is overcome, the true picture of the battle being waged may begin to take shape; for this battle is on more than just the natural level. As the Bible says “our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places”. That is who the true battle is with. The earth is the stage and we are the actors in this battle being wages on high. To win this battle takes more than merely exposing their lies: we must fight the enemy by fighting the destructive principles they have employed to bring about their designs. If one word could be used to sum up their false principles, it would be Liberalism, or Libertarianism. When the substance of Liberalism is rightly understood, it is nothing less than the cry of Lucifer just before he was cast out of heaven: “non servium – I will not serve
I commend Alex for the work he is doing in exposing the lies of the liars, and the evil of the evil ones; and I would encourage him to go deeper into Freemasonry, which is the unifying force and prime mover in this battle. Learn what the Freemason’s desires and goals in order to help discover the truth opposed to them. If they sought above all to destroy “altar and throne” and set up democracy in its place, it should reveal to us that altar and throne was an enemy to their goals, and democracy their means to attain them. Therefore, the enemy of our enemy (namely, Altar and Throne) must be our friend, rather than our foe.
The encyclical Humanum Genus that Aquinas linked to above draws the lines between the two camps and exposes the plans of the enemy. Let us read that to see which side we are on – and to what extent we are caught in the middle. Are we fighting for the truth along side the enemy of truth? To what extent are we inadvertently joined with them? We must know the enemy if we are to defeat them.
The various “Revolutions” were the work of the Freemasns. It was through the Revolutions that they destroyed the Old World Order. Many people marvel at the brilliance of the Founding Fathers, who were in reality the Liberals of their day. The reason they seem so brilliant compared to us is because these men were a product of Christendom – when people were taught how to think and how to behave. The degenerates of that day make the best of our day look sick.
Truthseekers, the battle goes deeper than you realize. Libertarianism is simply an attempt to fight the Freemasons and the New World Order using their own erroneous principles. To win the temporal and eternal battle against Lucifer we need the help of God. Fighting the devil by ourselves is a losing proposition. Let us seek to “restore all things in Christ” – then, and only then, will we have the victory we seek.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Goodness Veritas! You’ve outdone yourself!