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The Alex Jones Show – L I V E – Nov. 17 With Gerald Celente
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Monday, November 17, 2008
As the economy continues to crumble, Alex talks with top forecaster Gerald Celente of the Trends Research Institute, who has predicted a depression worse than the Great Depression, and financial expert, BBC correspondent, and creator of the Hollywood Stock Exchange, Max Keiser.
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November 17th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Free MP3 listen link does not work. Please fix.
P.S. This site is a beacon in the night, and, we are entering such dark times.
God and goddess bless you Alex Jones!
November 17th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Help! The link is not working for me either.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
The “high quality MP3 file” is not of the Celente interview, but of that one that followed.
Somebody goofed.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
what the hell is this crap about christians are the ones that head the fight against the new world order. i respect alex jones but his bullshit about christians being this all special fighters that spearhead the fight against new world order is really irritating and stupid. christianity is another fraud just like every single religion out there. its amazing how he can make sense of government and banking conspiracies yet get duped into this religious nonsense which is the most obvious out of all the frauds. its almost embarassing to be a alex jones listener especially when he goes all balls out with this religious crap. believe in what u want but keep it to yourself
November 17th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I agree with tk! I am so sick Of A Jones talking about his religious beliefs. He needs to stick to the facts and drop the religious rhetoric.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
#4 TK is obviously against freedom of speech. I suppose you don’t want to hear anything about anyone that doesn’t share in your personal simple minded beliefs. Go stick your head back in the sand and smoke some more of your reefer…fool.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Ooops, I missed Pearse! Another one against freedom of speech. Hey, if you don’t like what you hear GO AWAY!
November 18th, 2008 at 4:02 am
TK you are certainly entitled to your opinions. And if you choose not to be a Christian
then that is also your choice too. But insulting people’s faith and inspiration – be it Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. is rude and uncalled for. Did Alex do something to hurt you? Did Jesus do something to personally offend you?
If Alex is inspired into action in part by his Christian faith, then that is a good thing
because he is seeking truth and through his discoveries of truth, he is trying to help others. Jesus asks His followers to be the salt of the earth and to serve as lights to a world living in darkness. Without salt, the rot sets in. Without light, darkness flourishes. Any right
thinking person, religious or not religious can find the merit in these teachings.
Even though on occasion I may slightly disagree with you Alex, I think you are seeking
to be salt and light in a world that is unfortunately being steered in the wrong direction with ill motives. Keep serving as salt and light Alex regardless what the naysayers may claim. And if others do the same….
November 18th, 2008 at 4:07 am
James, I love your movies man. Your posts are pretty good too. Cheers!
November 18th, 2008 at 6:49 am
religion is half the problem
November 18th, 2008 at 8:01 am
My cycle/wave analysis of the stock market unfortunately agrees with Celente’s analysis of the future 4 years down the road.
As far as Alex Jones’ view of Christianity, last I heard we still had freedom of speech here in the USA. I am a Christian, but if Alex were a Hindu I would still respect his right of free speech as long as it wasn’t hate mongering.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:40 am
I agree that Alex has a right to talk about whatever he wants to whether it is about religion or whatever else he chooses to. I do think that it is sad, though, that so many generations of people have been fooled by the last “New World Order” that was created when the Empire of Rome fell. The story of Jesus Christ that we have been told for the last 2000 some years was just a power play to make sure that the power seat of Rome did not dissipate, that it merely shifted to the Pope. It is much easier to rule when everyone holds the same religion in common. The story of Jesus Christ is merely an amalgam of many mythical diety’s contemporary to the time of the first century that was politically grafted together for the Roman Empire to maintain it’s control. Study the stories of Mithra, note the similarities, and then do research yourself to discover the other similar story threads running throughout the ancient world. Think about all of the power and control amassed by the Roman Catholic Church due to the story of Jesus Christ throughout the dark ages and middle ages, and even to this day. Consider that the Jews do not have a concept of hell like Christianity, that Christianity’s concept of hell is much more akin to ancient Hellenistic (Pagan) beliefs. Consider that our favorite Christian celebrations, such as Christmas and Easter, correspond with the ancient festivals of birth and resurrection. Consider that the Gospels were written by people who never knew Jesus, and written 20-70 years after his death. Consider that Paul was supposedly working for the Roman’s to persecute Christians, when he had his vision that no one witnessed. Paul changed the direction of the Church, which the Church of Jerusalem didn’t agree with.
By the way, no… I am not an Athiest. I do believe in God; I just don’t believe in the boxed up version of God that was packaged and put together for us by the Roman Catholic Church. The Protestant’s still take all of their teachings from the books deemed appropriate for canonization by the Catholic Church. It is sad that the true God who existed before the Roman’s remade Him in their image has been totally forgotten about. It is no wonder that we are in the mess that we are in today…
November 18th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I am trying to find the rest of the audio sample at the end of this clip. From a commission where they are questioning Cash Carey (spelling?). I can not find anything on it. Can someone provide a link to where I can get the full audio or transcript, or the name of this commission?
November 18th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I’ll answer my question myself in case someone else is looking for this info:
HOUSE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE: Subcommittee on Domestic Policy hearing on whether Treasury Department is using bailout funds for foreclosure prevention as Congress intended. Mr. Neel Kashkari, Interim Asstistant Secretary for Financial Stability, Treasury Department.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Jennifer;
While this is not a religious forum and I’m certainly not looking to turn it into one, your
positions are your’s to hold and you are most welcome to them. In rebuttal to your arguments, I will say the following:
While there has certainly been power plays within the Christian Church; if your assertion that
“the story of Jesus Christ that we have been told for the last 2000 some years was just a power play to make sure that the power seat of Rome did not dissipate, that it merely shifted to the Pope” – is untenable. If that is true; how does one explain Eastern Christianity, now known as the Eastern Orthodox or Greek Orthodox Church? This was and remains a Church separate from the Roman strain of Christianity that eventually resulted in the Great Schism of 1054. Do you really think if Jesus Christ was an amalgam of myths; they could have fooled the learned Greeks; arguably the most ingenious people of antiquity into accepting Jesus en masse, as their God? I don’t think so.
When a people get conquered as the Greeks were by the Romans, the conquerors usually impose their culture on the conquered. The Romans seeing a good thing reversed this trend and took on Greek culture as their own.
Yes there are parallels to Jesus in ancient mythologies. But it can also be successfully argued that the idea of a messiah born to a virgin existed since antediluvian times. In turn that original message was distorted because of the Great Flood (that is believed to have occurred by at least 200 separate cultures, not just the Bible), and the passing of many generations. But it was finally fulfilled in truth by Jesus of Nazareth.
While there may be parallels to pagan myths, UNLIKE pagan messiahs, the Gospel accounts of Jesus do not have him coming to earth to procreate with women but insist that He is the Creator Himself in human form. Additionally, Jesus fulfilled Old Testament prophecies written by the prophets Isaiah, Micah, and the Psalms. He is a fulfillment of Hebrew prophecies, not pagan prophecies. Jesus’ birth, and resurrection do not correspond to ancient pagan festivals but to Old Testament types and shadows. The Feast of the Trumpets is the festival foreshadowing His birth and the Passover foreshadowed His death and resurrection, particularly the Seder meal and the Cup of Redemption that He and the apostles partook of at the Last Supper.
Also, all of Jesus’ apostles (except John) died hideous deaths for their eyewitness account of his death and resurrection. I would submit if they made the story of Jesus up they would not have bothered dying for a hoax. Finally, there are more Greek documents from antiquity to back up the verity of the Gospel claims than any other piece of literature from antiquity. And they are closer to the original writing date than any other piece of literature from antiquity.
So what if the Gospels were written 20 – 70 years after Jesus’ death? That is not enough time for myth and legend to set in. And most people can remember what happened to them 20, 30 50 years prior better than they can remember last week. Matthew was an original apostle of Jesus’. Mark was most likely writing St. Peter’s account who was a close relative. Luke may well have been one of the 70 that Jesus commissioned. The beloved physician has proven himself in both his Gospel account and his writing of the Acts of the Apostles to be a very accurate historian well versed in the academic traditions of the Greeks for writing history. (Ie. Herodotus, Thucidydes) And St. John was definitely one of Jesus’ apostles, said to have been Jesus’ favorite.
The message of the resurrection of Jesus was preached before the Gospels were written. It was preached to the Gentiles as early as 56 AD. when Paul took his message to Thessalonica and later to Corinth.
As for your allegation that “God that was packaged and put together for us by the Roman
Catholic Church. The Protestant’’s still take all of their teachings from the books deemed
appropriate for canonization”.
You are no doubt alluding to the Gnostic Gospels as an alternate and more accurate account. I beg to differ. Those books were deemed heretical from the beginning – not because of any
conspiracy but because they were proven to be pseudographia and invented stories rather than inspired works. These Gnostic Gospels were refuted with stated reasons by the learned doctors of the early Church. And since they have been translated from the original Greek into English in the last 100 or so years, you are free to read the rebuttals as to why the Church did not accept them as canonical. The arguments are quite compelling. The books that were canonized as New Testament by St. Athanasius were canonized because they had long been accepted by the early Church as inspired works. (One such work would be THE INCARNATION OF THE WORD OF GOD by St. Athanasius.)
The Gnostics lost because they deserved to lose. Whereas the Gnostic schools were elitist, called on its adherents to possess a special esoteric knowledge in order to obtain salvation and in turn revered the serpent in the Garden of Eden for his knowledge or Gnosis (Gk); the Gospel of Jesus Christ welcomed and still welcomes ALL people, no special knowledge required for salvation- only faith is required. And quite correctly it does not revere the deceptive serpent who engineered the fall of humanity.
You said, “ It is sad that the true God who existed before the Roman’’s remade Him in their
image has been totally forgotten about. It is no wonder that we are in the mess that we are in today…… “
No Mam, correction. We are in the mess we are in today because some elites who run the New World Order choose to follow the way of the serpent and his deceptions instead of seeking to follow the One who gave us the Sermon on the Mount and said, “whatsoever you do for the least of my brothers’ that you do unto me.”
There are definitely some parallels between Gnosticism, the New Age, the NWO and the quest
for one world government. This is NOT so with the New Testament or the message of Jesus.
“The world has achieved brilliance without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants & ethical infants… We have grasped the mystery of the atom & rejected the Sermon on the Mount”
~ General Omar Bradley, 11/11/1948
November 19th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Chris,
Rather Jesus had the creative force in Him, not that He was the Creator Himself. Jesus was a man; the anointing or the Holy Spirit was and is God. God is Spirit. The Father is pure thought, the Spirit is the Father moving in the physical as He did in His Son.
The Son is not the Father. This is a Catholic idea transferred to Protestantism. “The Word became flesh” is a metaphor. It means that the Son spoke for the Father and revealed Him.
I agree that the early myths point (there are many) to Jesus rather than the other way around.
True, the Hebrews had no concept of Hell, it was borrowed from the Hellenist influence. The Hebrews used the word Sheol which simply meant the place of dead, the realm of the after life or spiritual death in the abstract. Jesus used the Greek translated word Hades vs Paradise to comply to the Hellenistic version of the afterlife. Ge’enna or the fires thereof was a place where waste was burned near Jerusalem and typified the fire of God burning the chaff so to speak. Ge’enna was also translated Hell as was Sheol.
The Hebrews and many of the early Christians did not believe in an eternal Heaven or Hell state for mankind. The word translated eternal from the Hebrew means “out of sight” and its implication is indefinite as to duration. Here the Catholic Church again abused this fact to keep people in fear and bondage to itself.
The Hebrews also believed in reincarnation as did the Greeks. Many of the early Christians also believed in reincarnation. It was Justinian the First in the 6th century who made this thinking anathema or cursed. He (through his Justinian Codex) also gave more power to the Church in Rome over civil matters which they later greatly expanded after his death.
Justinian is the little horn of Daniel 7, not a future anti-Christ as some suppose. Justinian subdued three horns (kingdoms), changed times (Anno Dominus) and laws (Justinian Codex) and it was given unto his hand (the open hand of decree) for 1260 days. The early Reformers recognized that the little horn authority had been transferred to the Vatican and the 1260 days was decoded to 1260 years after the day for a year principle set forth in Ezekiel.
The Justinian Codex was declared law on April 16, 529 AD. 1260 years later the French Revolution began and the power of the Church was diminished. Later, Napolean replaced the Justinian Codex with the Napoleanic Codex which took away the authority of the Church over civl matters.
November 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
I would love to enter into this conversation with you or anyone else, but unfortunately, this is not the place. Please feel free to e-mail me at jennifer(dot)blossom(at)yahoo(dot)com.
Thanks!
Jennifer
November 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Chris and Clyde Wave Master
Chris, very eloquently written and history is totally accurate. Clyde Wave Master, I must rebut your statement regarding Jesus! With all due respect, to deny that Jesus is and was fully God is totally heretically and denies one of the main elements of Christianity.
I suggest you first review John 1:1-2. ” In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:14 says, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.” In Collosians 2:9 when Paul refers to Christ, the Scripture states “For in Him dwelleth all of the Godhead bodily.” In John 14:8-9, the text states, “Phillip saith unto Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been [such a] long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Phillip? He that hath seen seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? In Genesis 1:26 the text reads “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air…earth.” It is imperitive to note here that the ‘us’ in the first sentence is the Hebrew word Elohim which is a noun that connotes plurality. This is the first Scripture to implicate the Trinity. It does not imply that there are numerous Gods as the Bible is replete with Scripture to emphatically state that God is singular. One of the foremost quoted is in the Jewish Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, therefore O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:.” The verses to support this in both the Old and New Testament are too numerous to repeat here. In Isaiah 48:12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I an he, I am the the first and the last.” In Revelation 1:8, 21:6 and 22:13 the Scripture all refers to God being the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, thereby quoting Isaiah speaking of the Godhead. The Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him (Rev. 1:1). If you study these Scriptures in context it is objectively impossible to deny that Jesus and the Father are used synonymously. If one to study thoroughly Revelation Chapter 5, the Lamb Who is in the midst of the throne takes the scroll from the one on the throne. in essence, the one on the throne is taking the scoll from the one on the the throne. The implications of the Trinity are overwhelming. If you deny the infallibility of the Scriptures, it is apparent you do not understand Christianity or on what else does your faith rely? If you would like to know more, post your email address on this site I will look for it and give further substantiation.
P.S. The main reason Jesus had to be totally God was He could not have been a perfect substitutionary atonement for our sins otherwise. Sinful mankind had to have an equal to approach God. God is so holy that He cannot even look on sin; hence He could not look on His Son when He was on the cross because “He was made sin for us” Paul records. For that single instant in time for lack of a better word, Jesus felt the separation from the Father. That is why He cried out and fulfilled Psalm 22:1 “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?” We had to have an equal to reach the Father. To put in in simple terms, we could not approach the president of this country or any country in this present domain because we are not their social equal. How could one even suppose to approach an infallable holy Creator who cannot look on sin. We needed an equal to be our advocate. Thereby, God provided an equal substitute-Jesus. God the Father facing God the Son, Jesus our advocate. This was the ultimate fulfillment of the type cast in the Old Testament when God provided the sacrifice for Isaac as a sacrifice on Mt. Moriah. If you recall the story, Abraham was to sacrifice his only son when God provided the ram in the bush as a substitionary sacrifice.
November 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
I do not deny the deity of Jesus. What I’m saying is: He is not the Father. The Godhead that dwelt fully in Him was the fullness of the Holy Spirit. When Jesus said “When you see me, you see the Father”, He was saying in essence is that the Father was being revealed in Him.
The Word made flesh is a metaphor for the creative force of God dwelling in a man. If God killed Himself on the cross, how does that atone for our sins? God is Spirit and as such cannot be killed. A man had to die for men, not God for us.
Elohim, means gods. Father God was known as El Elohim or God of Gods. God just means “strong one” and it was used for kings as well as judges or magistrates. As such, true Christians are also gods.
Jesus was a man, not any normal man by any means, but a man. I do not deny that Father God was His father. WE is a common expression of royalty because it encompasses the entirety of the Kingdom.
Jesus sits on the throne next to His Father’s throne, so He is taking the scroll from His Father not Himself. Nor did He pray to Himself. This is rediculous!
The idea of the Trinity was not universal in the early Church. Many scriptures dealing with the Trinity were added later by the Trinitarians to force their viewpoint. This has already been proven. Are the Scriptures infallible? For the most part I think not, but interpretation most definitely is. Many wars were fought over the Trinity and Calvin was responsible for putting an anti-trinitarian to the stake. Gives one reason to think.
I know many dispensationalist Christians who would not even let me in their church because I do not believe the same way they do and they deny Christ in the process.
I think the best way to put it is: the Father is pure thought, the Holy Spirit is God moving in creation and Jesus was the perfect mouthpiece and conduit for the Father. Jesus was also called Immanuel as was Isaiah, meaning God with us. Elijah and Elisha did many of the same miracles as Jesus. The disciples did many miracles after Jesus ascended. We are sons and daughters of God and as such that same anointing is available to us as well.
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Blessings,
B.G.