Ha, Ha…. You proved my point, even batteries, we all just throw out they don’t get recycled, and now we are going to add to the problem but adding more mercury to the waste sites. Whats wrong Juntawatch, don’t like clean water?? And like I said, residentail propertys changing light bulbs is not going to make a bit of difference, they have to look at the larger picture. It was like here in Western Australia, when the gas crisis, they kept telling everyone not to turn on heaters, don’t waste hot water etc… at full peak the residential sector uses less than 2% of the entire states gas supplies. So by everyone backing off a little bit, do you really think that it would have had an impact??? They have to look at better ways for the large energy users to back off. OOooh, we’ll have everyone change to Fluros as a must, but we will sell bigger and more powerful computers, mobile phones, Plasma/LCD Tv’s, air conditioners……. and Carbon Taxing is really not going to help the situation, its is really going to hurt small businesses.

NWO, ….. Fluros, ……? OK, i think you’ve gone a bit far, it’s not the fact that they going to explode in you house etc… Its the fact that bulds to sometimes get broken, when moving things around, kids playing games…. its more so the fact that it is, for a short time, aerated. So, that your kids can breath it in, it can be on their pillow waiting for them to go to bed, Yes, I agree it is unlikly, the odds are small, but we just keep adding more and more things to our homes and work places, things that have the potential to over time, to have long term health effects. As adults we all accept the risks, our bodies have a higher tolerance to alot, but children don’t, there bodies are trying to grow, and develop. I won’t let my daughter anywhere near mobile phones for this reason, let alone start adding other items to her enviroment that don’t need to be there.

Juntawatch….

October 13th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
IN RESPONSE TO Juntawatch
October 12th, 2008 at 9:24 am

“I am all for cleaner air, cleaner water etc. But have you looked at the Mercury issue”

Hang on, WHY I just understood. Energy Saver Bulbs are really NWO secret weapons that explode in my house and poison me, my kids and pets. OK, I must have been mad to think otherwise. I have been corrected, I have left the Dark Place & Returned to the well Illuminated one.

PS in order to recant my science, I had to remember about decades of all those little mercury activated AA & AAA batteries we used in our homes.
We were asked to dispose of these Mercury batteries in special facilities. What facilities?
My God, they’ve taken my freedom and left me with low light, super economic, highly resiliant stealth weapons.

Shit, I’m signing up with ‘The Conductance’, I mean ‘The Resistance’ … Hilk!

I am all for cleaner air, cleaner water etc. But have you looked at the Mercury issue. Oh , yeah, you’ll save some power and may cut back on “emmsions”, but when you look at the big picture, the residential sector does not use anywhere enough power to be the issue, it is the businesses, but changing light globes is not going to save the world, it may be a good start. But concidering the fact of Mercury in fluros all we are going to do is posion the soils and water systems for future generations. And don’t try and tell me, “oh but they get recycled”, how many people are going to go for a drive to a hazardus waste removal depo, just for one light bulb. What if like, Peak Oil is Real October 12th, 2008 at 10:25 am, you break one in your kids room……….. what the gov and state gov need to do is change the rules when building homes. Lets say that from next year, that all new homes to be built must have rain water tanks, solar hot water and their own source of power generation (ie. small wind turbine / solar). By doing this they will cut down on on non-renewable sources, and they will increase the “damand” for these items, which in turn will make these items affordable for the existing homes to have modifications done.

The only problem with this idea, which is the same problem that is with wind power, i that when the wind dies off / picks up, that large steam turbine which keeps the base load for the power and the freq etc, then needs to ramp up and then ramp down, which in turn it losses its “economy”, ie it is no longer running at its best point for power output to coal burnt. So, by installing more wind turbines we can actually make the all the coal and gas stations less efficient, therby increasing the CO2 outputs.

Also, with the home generation is the issue of batteries……… disposal……

Please respond to me if you have any comments / ideas etc

PS. I find the incandescent bulbs annoyingly bright, glaring with ‘flares’ and blind spots in their projected areas.

October 13th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Juntawatch ….Shut your misinformed pie hole…

You are rude, impolite and probably A SHILL sent to discredit what I say. Your so-called science and your writing ability are both dreadful – read on:

[Quote]
“I work in the lighting industry, and Incanescent lighting is the cleanest and safest and cheapest to manufacture … ”
[Comment]
Whoops another nervous keyboard twitcher who can’t spell INCANDESCENT— Go back to school.

[quote]
” … the Myth that a energy saver lasts longer is a myth…. They contain mercury and require extreme caution at disposal …..”
[Comment] ‘The Myth that the myth .. ‘
Thanks for double negating your own statements. Something that the average reader you presume won’t pick up on. You are saying my Truth is True? I certainly hope, for your sakes.

[Quote]
“The lumens that a energy efficient replacement bulb creates to be equal to the incadescent are measured within 5 feet of the throw of the fixture….
What they don’t tell you is the lumen field dispersess logrythmically (more rapidly) after 5 feet than with incadescent (exponentially), thus needing secondary fixtures plugged in every 10 feet for a flat field of light……..
[Comment] That’s not how ONE SPELLS either LOGARITHMICALLY nor INCADES .. Oh, I don’t know. And what does it mean this ‘phrase’ of yours? I’m a student at University, am 52 yrs, have previously studied Physics, Maths & Computer Science. I am not aware of different types of light that attenuate at different rates &/or distances.

“What a PACK OF LIES AND GIBBERISH. Boy, the quality of SHILL and TROLL on these comment boards is even worse than at PP Forums. What do they pay you — PEANUTS?

Nuts!

Wrong again friend….

I work with LED elements and incadescent bulbs every day…
LED last long, and look bright if you look at them, but an LED can only throw good light for 20 feet…that is why they are used for brake lights and not for headlights…….
4 incandescent ACL’s can land a plane….. (28volt 250watts)
that is over a thousand feet of throw

I work in the lighting industry, and Incanescent lighting is the cleanest and safest and cheapest to manufacture …
the Myth that a energy saver lasts longer is a myth…. They contain mercury and require extreme caution at disposal …..
The lumens that a energy efficient replacement bulb creates to be equal to the incadescent are measured within 5 feet of the throw of the fixture….

What they don’t tell you is the lumen field dispersess logrythmically (more rapidly) after 5 feet than with incadescent (exponentially), thus needing secondary fixtures plugged in every 10 feet for a flat field of light……..

So… that 12.5 watt replacement for the 60watt incadescent looks as bright to the eye if you look at it, but only throws the light 5 feet before it falls off the scale….requiring a second ugly light to be turned on 12 feet over… the cost for supply and disposal for these 2 bulbs is much worse….

Thank god Aircraft are not required to change their Aircraft landing lights from the 24 volt incadescent type that has been landing planes for years…

“For me, the issue of a conspiracy around energy saving light bulbs is a way to make such protagonists and their other arguments look like naïve, massively misinformed members of an outdated cult movement or sect.”

i agree… the *new* updated cult movement or sect is *GREEN*

gotta move with the times!

This I’m afraid is disinformation and I always heartily disagree with the poor reporting on energy saver bulbs. I bought FIVE Philips brand energy savers last week for £1, that’s Twenty Pence each. At least two UK generating companies are giving away 4 such bulbs to every domestic customer each year. Not much to us, and about £2M to them.

What is there to complain about? Energy in the UK needs be, with or without any hype of ‘Climate Change’ about efficiency or conservation. Conservation like ‘Conservative’, remember.

“Nothing comes for Free”, especially if the juice is sourced from Nuclear Power. The less you use, the less you pay on any given tariff and the average energy saver bulbs use only 10% the juice of conventional bulbs.

Additionally, the old style ‘incandescent glass envelope’ bulbs were as I hope you remember, highly sensitive to shock or handling, with the tungsten coated filament easily fracturing. The electronic starting systems of modern ‘energy-savers’ have been improved to be more reliable and less prone to failure.

What is there not to like about energy saving bulbs? I’ll tell you what! It’s an opportunity for misinformed types, new to the ‘climate change’ bandwagon to blow off their mouths about how they are being told what to do! Grow up people. Not everything that you are advised to do is a plot against your freedom and ENERGY DOES NOT COME AT NO COST. It has to be generated, and transmitted to the consumer and no matter what political corruptions enter the system, Messrs Maxwell, Faraday & Ampere were all correct & their complementary electrical laws remain unchanged. The more current and power that needs to be transferred over power lines, the more the heating and resistance losses. The more the losses the more this is transferred to the customer in increased prices. It’s a fixed law & given this system of electrical provision nothing can change that. Unless you generate huge amounts of power by Hydroelectric river dam systems you can never be complacent about the economies.

Again, what is there not to like about the concept of energy saving light bulbs and as they are rolled out in ever increasing numbers, extremely cheaply, with guaranteed lifetimes of up to 10 years why wouldn’t you want to use them? Would it be pride or stubbornness or because somebody told you that you have the right to be wasteful if you choose?

For me, the issue of a conspiracy around energy saving light bulbs is a way to make such protagonists and their other arguments look like naïve, massively misinformed members of an outdated cult movement or sect.