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Alex Jones Interviews Bev Harris 09/19/03

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Guest: Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.com, author of the upcoming "Black Box Voting: Ballot-Tampering" in the 21st Century.

AJ: This is out of the Plain Dealer in Cleveland. The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio, told Republicans in a fund-raising letter that he is committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year. The August 14th letter from Walden O’Dell, chief executive of Diebold, Inc., who has become active in the reelection effort for President Bush, prompted Democrats this week to question the proprietary - and of allowing the O’Dell company to calculate votes in the 2004 Presidential Election.

O’Dell, it goes on, attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors known as the Rangers and Pioneers. And it goes on and on. Now, we had Bev on a few months ago. She said she was breaking some major news because she’s a lady who has been hired by Fortune 500 companies to expose corporate corruption in their own systems. They found Diebold and other big companies, they looked at the source code of Diebold and others. This has been in everything: Denver Post, Associated Press, Reuters, all over, that these things are designed for fraud. You’ve got electronic access, wireless internet hooked into them, weird tabulations systems. I mean it’s designed with fraud in mind with no paper trail. And then you’ve got Senator Hagel involved in owning the company [ES&S] out in Nebraska that’s being put in everywhere. It’s scary. But again, they count on us not being able to face the horror of this.

Now Bev Harris, we are so honored to have you, blackboxvoting.com and org. Last time you were on, you were breaking all this. Weeks later, what you had broken came out all over the news. Give us a nutshell of what we are facing and what this new article means with this O’Dell...... There is so much.

BH: Well, we have a lot to break. It’s interesting, isn’t it, how we break something and 3 or 4 months later, the news actually catches up to it. That tells you a lot about what’s happening with the media in our country. But I will take my hat off to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. They are unafraid and they are out there covering this. And so is the Akron Beacon Journal. They are two of very few media outlets that are actually going out and doing real investigative work. I take my hat off.

AJ: This should be the top story. They should all be ripped out everywhere.

BH: You bet. And AP Wire, by the way, is picking up this stuff but what is really a problem is now usually when the AP Wire Service picks it up, it gets into 50 to 200 newspapers but the main newspapers are blacking out the AP Wire stories on this stuff. So we’ve got some press people [crosstalk] doing their job and some..... Pardon?

AJ: They take it and say, “There’s been a few problems, don’t worry. The feds are going to fix it.”

BH: Oh, no, no. This is really interesting. But yeah, we’ve got stuff to break and I guess what we’ll do is we’ll break it here and then people can watch for it in the news in the next few months, as they have been.

AJ: All right, honored to have you. Go ahead.

BH: Yeah, one of the things that I found absolutely stunning was, of course, we’ve known that the Diebold executives have been a major, major political folks behind the Bush Administration. It’s not just Wally O’Dell, it also W.H. Timken who is another director from Diebold. Now understand that Bush has only about one hundred Pioneers. The Bush Pioneers are the group that meets behind the scenes and are the powerhouse political strategists and fundraisers for George W. Bush. Two of the hundred Pioneers, run Diebold. I mean think about that. That’s really unusual, isn’t it? So W.H. Timken is a Bush Pioneer and Wally O’Dell is another. Not only did he promise to deliver the vote, which is amazing. He did so in writing. He promised to deliver the vote to Bush, even though he runs the voting machine company. He visited Pres. Bush at the Crawford Ranch in early August. He was down there with a group of other Bush Pioneers strategizing on how to win the election. Now how inappropriate is this?

AJ: Now by the way, for those who don’t know, last time you were on a few months ago - and now it’s broken - Baltimore Sun, you name it, Austin American Statesman. Everything you said here on the show, that it’s got wireless connections to the boxes that they didn’t tell anybody about, at least three different levels of code, that hundreds of top programmers looked at it that agreed with your programmers’ information that these things are designed for back door access.

BH: Exactly.

AJ: The League of Women Voters is out campaigning that the government pass a law that we not be allowed to have a paper ballot. I mean this is crazy.

BH: Well, exactly and here’s what’s happened. What they did is they went after a few of the organizations but they went at them from the top down. And they do not represent, by the way, what their own constituency says. Because we have been in contact with many of the League of Women Voters’ local chapters and they are furious about this. They are saying, “No, we want a paper ballot. We are not throwing away the evidence.” And what’s happened is I believe what we need to do now is start looking at the contributions to these organizations. Because I’ll bet you that they went to the head of the League of Women Voters and to a couple of other organizations and made hefty contributions.

I also just found out today, now we are starting to get into the civil rights community with this. And they are implying that the civil rights community is behind this no paper trail voting. Well that is a lie. What they are doing is quoting this leadership conference on civil rights, which has backed away from that position and is not even saying now that they are against the paper trail. But the voting vendors got to them, got a statement out of them. So, when we looked at the constituency of the Leadership Conference of Civil Rights, the people who were jumping in were not the people of color. They were not the NAACP. They were not the black churches. They were the League of Women Voters, who happens to be a member and a couple of labor unions who happen to be members.

AJ: For folks who are missing what you are saying, Bev, the established free voting companies, all CIA, government/Senator connections, I mean just unbelievable, with all the code sourcing, and all this corruption going on. That these are designed for this. They claim, “Oh yeah, the minorities want it so you’re racist if you’re against it.” Which is just their classic tactic. But I would also add to this that only if a few cases have we seen attempts as censorship of this show and others. And when they were putting in electronic touch screens last year and we confronted them and exposed it, we had actual threats, phone calls, attempts at censorship on this issue by members of the media here in Austin that are steering this, are steering this into place. So, this is very important to them because they know this means total control and domination.

BH: Absolutely.

AJ: No more voting, folks.

BH: And I will tell you this. I have had six, count them, six investigative reporters for huge outlets, who have called me and privately told me that they have been lobbying to cover this story and they have been told by their management that they are not to cover it. And these are major organizations.

AJ: Now folks, do you hear what we are saying? Major papers have had to admit, they just calmly go, “ Yeah these things are built for fraud - totally designed and owned by the government and weird shadowy groups. And your vote doesn’t count. Hahaha.” And now on top of it, six major investigative journalists call you and say, “I’m not allowed to report on this.”

BH: Right. And it’s so funny because they will say, “Please keep sending me the stuff and I wish I could break this because there is something to break. I could get a Pulitzer out of this.” Every time I put my proposal forward, it’s not getting taken up by the news [garbled]. I mean some of these are international publications. And it’s just amazing. People ask about the major TV investigative magazine shows, I can tell you that they have been in touch with me. I can also tell you that this has been killed. The story has been killed. And it’s not their producers that are killing it. It’s at the manager level.

AJ: Right here in Austin, Bev Harris, Dana [garbled] is the county clerk. She got caught in ’98 with the paper ballots, double-counting ballot boxes, breaking safety seals, falsifying signatures - that was in the paper. But the State Board said it was an accident. In the middle of the night, at 2:00 AM, her good friend that was losing suddenly was winning. This all comes out and now she’s the one pushing the touch screens.

BH: Of course.

AJ: And I mean, I just don’t know what to say about it anymore.

BH: But I’ve got a much bigger way to go with this, if and when you are ready.

AJ: Do it right now.

BH: Okay, we were able to get into a private teleconference. There was a conference that was held by teleconference in Houston. It was run by the Election Center and the voting machine manufacturers. It was supposed to be a secret. My publisher, David Allen from Black Box Voting, he runs Plan 9 Publishing, he managed to get into this. And it was actually quite funny because they had all this supposed security around their teleconference. But he actually dialed in and he signed in with his own name and no one asked him who he was. So he sat there and transcribed this meeting. And this meeting which was between, understand this is an insider meeting. What they were discussing, among other things, was can Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, defense contractors, you know. Can they help us with our PR problem now like they helped get the HAVA Bill through. The HAVA Bill [Help America Vote Act] is the bill that requires that we buy all these new touch screen machines. Think about what they just said. This is insiders saying and admitting that the defense industry was behind getting this bill through.

AJ: I’ve got to stop you Bev Harris. This is massive. Folks, this is so huge and I’ll tell you why when we get back, if you haven’t figured it out yet. Do you know who’s putting up the red light cameras? Lockheed Martin. Who puts on the ads about thumb scanning for biometrics? Lockheed Martin. They are in a meeting - the biometrics, the RFID, remember the meeting with Ridge? We’ll be right back.

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AJ: Investigator Bev Harris just dropped a major bombshell on us. The news she reported here a few months ago is now a top story in a lot of big newspapers but it never made it onto the nightly television news where most people get their propaganda. We talked to the head of CASPIAN, the group that exposes the whole cashless society and what’s happening with the tracking there about the secret meetings with the biometric consortium, the RFID consortium with Governor Ridge of “making us take it in the name of fighting terrorism.” We know that Lockheed Martin and others are involved in funding domestic propaganda operations. This is military coup. This is Russia. This is China. This is so big. You are telling me that the military industrial complex, that in this discussion group, this closed, secret conference, that you guys got into, Bev Harris, that they were discussing using the military industrial complex to smash opposition to this. Please tell us. Please give us the details.

BH: Yeah, what happened is they set up - well okay, as we all know, we’ve been getting a lot of press for the problems and all of that comes from the fact that we were able to find the cache of Diebold files, the Diebold voting machine files, 40,000 files they left on a website. We were able to analyze those and find how incredibly flawed they were and that indeed they do appear to be set up just specifically to allow back-door entrance into manipulating the vote. Well, that’s made the papers. And, of course, now the industry has kind of a black eye. And they are trying to think of any way they can to get out of offering a paper trail. A paper trail - voter verified ballots such as when you look at the ballot and it’s kept in the ballot box like we’ve been doing since the beginning of time. And it's evidence. Okay, they want to get rid of the evidence. So, the industry had a meeting to figure out what to do about this PR fiasco. In the meeting, it was set up, by the way, very inappropriately by the Election Center which is supposed to represent the voters and the people. They set up a meeting with the lobbyists and the vendors to deal with this PR problem. The lobbyist that was running the meeting was the ITAA - it’s a series of initials that stands for a bunch of things. Suffice it to say, it’s very tightly connected to the, another bunch of initials, SAIC, which is a big Pentagon contractor. Now, this is just so bizarre. Let me draw this loop for you and I’m sorry to have to come up with things with initials but the military likes to do things with initials. You have Diebold. Diebold’s software is supposed to be flawed. They then get the State of Maryland and the State of Ohio to request their supposed, independent investigation of Diebold’s security. They commission a group called SAIC to do the supposedly independent evaluation of Diebold voting machine security. The SAIC is mainly a Pentagon contractor. It’s sort of like a mercenary version of the CIA in much of what it does. It has about ...

AJ: It’s like a corrupt, five-time convicted felon who is the informant who they then call in to testify against you in court. And you can’t bring up the fact that he’s a convicted felon with charges against him. And if they don’t testify they are going to jail. So it’s some government owned and run quasi-public private group.

BH: It’s a private group that does CIA-like stuff. It does surveillance and it does all kinds of things like that.

AJ: Oh what a nice group to tell Diebold it’s good.

BH: It’s basically a mercenary CIA that does other things too. But their job is to come up with a report on Diebold. Except their senior vice president is the director for the ITAA, which is in there saying they are going to lobby to whitewash this whole thing. Understand what I’m saying, the supposedly independent Pentagon contractor who is supposed to do the independent evaluation of Diebold’s security, they are tied to the lobbying group that is promising to whitewash this thing. Now how inappropriate is that?

AJ: So did you record, why just do a transcript?

BH: I will tell you there is evidence, okay, and there is also three witnesses who will testify. Because it wasn’t just us that was in this meeting.

AJ: And that obviously with some of the state laws - some states, you can’t record something in a phone conversation.

BH: It is legal in some states.

AJ: Let’s just say, we’ve got transcripts of three witnesses and yeah there is some tapes but oh maybe not.

BH: Well, it depends on the state and so we’ll have to go through the .....

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AJ: So how long did this whole thing go on with the government and the vendor and the lobbyist and oh we’ll just get the Defense Dept. and ....

BH: It’s crazy! I mean you have the same group that’s doing the independent investigations tied to the group that is supposed to do the whitewash. And get this. Now this was on Friday, August 22nd. What a shakedown! They tell the vendors they’ve got seven day to come up with $200,000 and if they don’t participate they may not be protected.

AJ: So it’s also a shakedown. You’re catching racketeering on tape. We’ll be back. Oh my goodness!

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AJ: My friends, I want you to understand the magnitude of this. In my own life, here in Austin, the people running this system have threatened us, tried to keep this information from going on the air. They’ve got the local media involved - on the board of this, profiting from it. And then you look at it nationally, they had all these top computer programmers look at just one of the company’s software and it’s designed with secret back-doors and wireless connections. And you’ve got the government and the CIA. We’ve talked about this months ago when she was on the show, Bev Harris. All of this and then now you find out that there is a PR campaign to use the Defense Department’s money and the private defense contractor’s money to lobby and propagandize to suppress the people and the media that is starting to learn of this. And they are counting on you going, “Oh Martha, they’d never steal the election. They’d never have a fraud set up like that.” Folks, this is so horrible. Bev Harris, what else came out in this secret meeting that you guys were able to get in on, between the lobbyists, the vendors, the military industrial complex folks?

BH: There was a good bit of discussion about well we want to make sure that the media never finds out about this. And I have to say that the folks that were listening in were having a really hard time not saying anything. Because they did sign in under their own name. What happened is they had everybody sign in and say who they were. But everybody called in at once and they kind of just, I guess, didn’t pay attention because there was also a reporter from the Beacon Journal in Akron.

AJ: Oh, so now it’s not just....

BH: We tipped off a few people and said go on in and see what you can hear and that’s exactly what happened. But yeah, there was a good bit of conversation about, “well we had better check in with anti-trust regulations and we don’t want anybody talking about collusion” and things like this. Now understand that any industry can set up a lobbying thing - there is nothing unusual in that. And in setting such a thing up, they would certainly want to discuss antitrust things, you know issues. But what was very unusual about this is now if you’re an industry and you’re legit, and you are setting up a lobbying thing, the group of people from the industry would get together. They would probably interview a few lobbyist firms. Now, that’s not the case here. What happened is the lobbying firm shows up and says we need money by Friday. And they said - don’t want to say the term knife in the back but those who are not members, well if they get into trouble, it looks like they would want to become members.

AJ: So, we are watching protection activities.

BH: To me that’s a protection racket. It’s just cloaked in white collar lingo.

AJ: Well see, you know I’ve talked to people in and out of government and they say corruption has never been at such all time highs. It’s totally rampant and if they get away with taking our elections away and let the CIA run it, I mean folks are going to lose their second amendment, your borders. They are going to say, “Well, it’s a democracy, you voted for it, didn’t you?” That’s why they want to get us away from a republic because even if they control the voting machines, a republic would still have the Bill of Rights - not in a pure democracy. Now, Bev Harris, for those who just joined us, you’ve got an incredible track record yourself. Tell us a little bit about Bev Harris and let’s go back into some more of this.

BH: Well, I don’t know why I ended up with this thing. Frankly, I’ve always thought voting was boring. I never wanted to get into this. I ran a PR agency but I’ve been a writer for many years. And in the course of my writing career, I did a lot of work on financial fraud stuff. And so I had a pretty good idea of how people do shenanigans like this. But I ran into some stuff last fall, it hasn’t even been quite a year, but what I ran into shows that there was clear conflicts of interest in the ownership of the voting companies. And that there were clearly, not just dozens, but hundreds of situations where the machines were caught miscounting. And then...

AJ: And then we’ve got Sen. Hagel. Tell them about that.

BH: That was one of the first things that clued me in. It was like, my gosh, we have a guy - at that time it was in October - and he was running for office. He had an election in a month and he was running for office and he’s got ownership - and his campaign finance director was the main owner of the company that’s counting all his votes. And it was not disclosed on his disclosure document. And so, I said well we’ve got a problem.

AJ: By the way Bev, the polls, we have the articles that showed him way behind.

BH: Well, not Hagel. Now Hagel was ahead in the polls but he still had anomalies in the type of win......

AJ: Well wait I’ve got some of the articles and last time you were on with us, you were going over that - that some of the polls showed Hagel way behind and that it was a big upset.

BH: Oh, I think that was Cleland that we were talking about. Yeah, there were some situations like that. Cleland was ahead in the polls and that was Georgia. Georgia had actually six upsets that did not match the polls. And Georgia used all these unauditable touch screens.

AJ: So what happened with Hagel? Then we’ll go on to Georgia.

BH: And Hagel, with Hagel, now he out-spent his opponent. His opponent, Charlie Matulka, you’ve got to love him. He’s a construction worker; he’s a feisty guy; he spent a total of $4000 on a United States Senate campaign. And Hagel spent about $3 million. Okay? So Hagel out-spent him by whatever it was - $100,000 to 1. So yes, Matulka figured that Hagel had a bit of an advantage there. But what was odd was that Hagel won demographic groups that always go Democrat. He won the black areas of Omaha. You know, I mean that it was not really to be expected. And then he comes forward and he starts bragging on his website that he won with the biggest margin in history. Well, 85% of his votes were counted by his own machines. So then his opponent, Charlie Matulka, who is a candidate, you know, he had standing for a recount. And because the margin wasn’t close, he couldn’t get an automatic recount funded by the state. But you can get a recount if you’re a candidate if you pay for it. So, he said, okay, I’m going to pay for it. Now let’s look at these ballots that my opponent has ran through his own machines. And the State of Nebraska, if you can believe it, said well you can pay for the recount but all we will do is run the ballots through Hagel’s machines again. You can’t ever look at the ballots. We have no provision in the law to let you look at the actual ballots that were used.

AJ: Now that was back with the hybrid ballots where it’s an electronic machine you feed..

BH: Right, that’s the optical scan machine.

AJ: a scantron style and that’s where we’ve been caught with fraud. They’ve been caught with fraud in Austin with those. And the same people running the fraud have now put in the touch screens and threatened folks that talk about it.

BH: Yeah, I’ll tell you something, there is a reason they want these touch screens so desperately and that is because I think Florida scared the heck out of them. While everyone was talking about punch cards, my theory on Florida is something that really put fear into these people is the optical scanner. Diebold optical scans counted 40% of Florida in the year 2000. Now, if they had hand counted every single one of those Diebold optical scans immediately after the election statewide, I think some things would have come out that would have been impossible to deny.

AJ: Well we have election after election, Bev Harris, where Voter News Services would tell us who had won and the next day we found out a whole state went different than what they said. We always again, have these weird CIA companies and Senators and people involved - all of this happening...

BH: The people involved are just wrong. And we’ve got a situation now - now this is kind of how I see things. And this is speculative. So we’ll label it Bev Harris’ speculation, okay? But here’s what I’m seeing it shake down to. We have the defense industry who was pushing the move toward unauditable voting, toward getting rid of the paper trail. That we know from the meeting because they came right out and said it.

AJ: Number one - why is the Defense Dept. and the private military industrial complex around it, that Eisenhower warned us would try to overthrow the country, why are they involved intimately......?

BH: It’s a classic conflict of interest.

AJ: It’s like Guatemala or El Salvador or Russia with a military coup.

BH: Yeah, they have no business in our voting system, period. And they are definitely involved. They have been involved through making voting machines, and they are involved in the voter registration system, and they are involved in a new thing now. Now here’s what I see coming down the pike. This lobbying effort, this whitewash effort, one of the things they also discussed was, “well what we need is to come up with our own certification standard. Not the federal election commission but our own. We’ll have the gold standard which will be of our own making.” Now I think what they are planning to do with the gold standard is this - there’s a company called VoteHere. VoteHere makes something that goes inside voting machines. It’s designed to go inside all the voting machines from all the manufacturers. It will be sort of like, you know, where they have that little label that says, “Intel Inside.” Well I think they will have a little thing that says, “VoteHere Inside.”

AJ: And they all just so happened to be designed where it could fit into them.

BH: What VoteHere does is they create a software program with cryptography that is supposed to verify our vote as voters so we don’t need paper. Okay? And then everybody, of course, will sign off on this - you know the Defense contractors and the Homeland Security - and they’ll say the cryptography is bullet proof.

AJ: Oh, this is all wonderful.

BH: You have to trust it if it’s got “VoteHere” inside it, you see. So I think what it’s aiming toward is you are going to see a move, and we are doing some pretty good work here to get the right questions asked so it may be more difficult than they expected. You are going to see a move though to try to switch again and say, “Okay well the voters insist on a voter-verified paper ballot. You know what you don’t need that. You need this bullet proof cryptography system. And we’ll put it inside all the voting machines.” Now guess who is the director of VoteHere?

AJ: Who?

BH: The chairman of the board of directors is also on the Defense Policy Board and he also the vice-chairman of the SAIC. His name is Admiral Bill Owen [crosstalk]

AJ: Ohhhhhh

BH: And another director is Robert Gates, the former CIA Director. These are the people who are running Vote Here and have the wonderful cryptographic solution, trust us - just remember - trust us. And it will go into the voting machines and be the new gold standard so we should just trust them and we’d know we would never again need a paper ballot.

AJ: Well, Bev Harris, let me stop you for just a minute. This is just bombshell after bombshell. I’m begging the listeners, you know who we are, just like the Katherine Albrecht interview that you did a transcript of, I’m begging you - do the transcript. Get it to Paul Watson. We’ll get it up on prisonplanet.com, up on infowars.com so we don’t have to wait four months or three months for this to show up in the mainstream media with the spin on it. And we’ll put links, of course, to blackbox.com and have all that there for folks so we can get it out to everybody.

The key here is - Bev, were you aware of the folks over at nocards.com, Katherine Albrecht. She went to the meetings and then they got off onto the websites. They had a back door in it - the documents with the RFID tracker chips - that they want to replace the barcode with. And the secret meeting with Walmart and Proctor & Gamble...

BH: Oh, I heard about that, yes.

AJ: With Homeland Security talking about how to neutralize us, how to neutralize opposition and how to get the military industrial complex involved. I mean this is sinister. This is like The Running Man or something where you find out TV’s fake and pulling the curtain back. I mean this is so huge, Bev.

BH: I agree. People want to say, “Oh you guys are just crazy and stuff.” I have no idea, frankly, when my publisher went into this meeting. I had no idea about this - I knew that there was a Vote Here situation and that there was people involved in that. But I couldn’t quite figure out what Vote Here did until this meeting. But when we heard - and they were - I’m telling you there was like two paragraphs of conversation about the defense industry and how it had pushed the HAVA bill through and how maybe they could come in and help us now. By the way, there are two websites with this. Blackboxvoting.com does have the transcript on it. It’s not a complete transcript and it does have my publisher’s fairly opinionated notes along with it. (Laughs) [crosstalk] Go ahead.

AJ: This is so huge. We’ve already caught them that a voting machines were a fraud. We’ve got the League of Woman Voters saying we don’t want a paper ballot or a record. We’ve got all this other police state stuff going on . And then you guys get into one of these little secret meetings. And you’ve got the Plain Dealer, Cleveland newspaper person hearing all of this. This is on the record. This is huge. I mean I don’t even have words to articulate how evil this is.

BH: I call it a business plan. You see people who say, “Are you a conspiracy theorist?” I say look this is a business plan. If you come right down to it, it’s a bunch of guys who want to control the world through business. I mean it’s a business plan. Okay, what we have to do is we have to do this and this. But the bottom line is, I’ve tried really hard not to and I did label just now - speculation is speculation is what I’m talking about. This stuff is fact. My facts check out. I have broken six or seven stories in a row now and not one of them has failed to check out. And virtually all of them have ended up getting covered finally six months later with a spin by the mainstream media, including the Washington Post and the New York Times and everyone else. It’s checks out and it’s to the point where now, okay, it’s making sense now. And by the way, defense contractors stand to make an awful lot of money if the vote goes their way. We spent what, a trillion dollars in the last 3 years?

AJ: Well yeah but let me stop you. I mean yeah, if they control the government, the government is going to give them more wars for more weapons but also the private defense contractors are getting into private prisons, homeland security operations, the face-scanning cameras, the biometrics, all of it, the RFIDs. I mean they are going to build a giant prison for us. They are taking over the voting. This is a late night science fiction horror movie from the 1980s.

BH: You know the one thing we have going for us is that when you have all that data and they crunch all those things, eventually it comes down to a human who has to go to his boss and say, “I think we should look into so-and-so.” Now this is a very bad thing because we can assume they are going to look into a lot of people that are very inappropriate but the bottom line is that some human has eventually look at all that data. So it’s extremely inappropriate that they are collecting it but I have to say, I sometimes kind of smile and think what in the world do they think people ... I mean, at some point, if you do surveillance on all these people - I can tell you if they were doing surveillance on the six telephone lines that I have in my office and house, they would have to listen to 5 teenagers discussing their boy friends and their nails. I mean, at some point, some poor schmoe is going to have to actually go through all this stuff and decide what’s important. I think that may be the thing that saves us at some point, because they won’t get....

AJ: Well no, it’s true. The reason they are announcing Echelon is watching us and you don’t have any rights, is the chilling effect. They don’t have the personnel, even with the computers to do anything with this. We’re on the march; they’re on the run. But...

BH: So they get a couple of key people that they can use as a public example

AJ: But Bev, they are still putting in the systems no matter how much fraud comes out. How do we stop them?

BH: Well, it’s getting to the point where we need to , I’m saying we are at Boston Tea Party stage, okay? This is really sad because we are getting quite a few little emails putting us on notice that our looking into it is putting us into legal jeopardy. And I look at that as the Boston Tea Party. I will break one more thing here.

AJ: Stay there. One more segment, Bev. We are so honored to have you, Bev Harris. So see this woman, this investigator who exposes corruption in the mainstream. They’ve got major newspapers involved - she gets the emails: “You’d better stop looking into that.” How about we all join her in looking into it? How about we all join her in this fight? How about we stand up to this evil, folks? We’ll go one layer deeper, down the rabbit hole when we get back.

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AJ: .. from The Drudge Report, the London Guardian and the Associated Press, that the levels of radiation are 1900 times safe levels in Baghdad - from our own government - what it sprayed on our troops and our own people. But again, it’s the back of the paper. Nobody will even ever hear about it. The same thing with them taking your right to vote. I mean, they are taking it. The CIA runs these companies. Every time we investigate it - mainstream news - but it never makes it out nationally. And I’ve been hyperventilating for the last 50 some minutes and I’m sorry we don’t have time to take calls. It’s our last few minutes here with Bev Harris. We’ve got to get her back up. An amazing lady - is one of the great investigators. This stuff is confirmed. Bev Harris, you said one more major issue you were going to break.

BH: Well, yeah. We were talking about the Boston Tea Party. Look, if all of us are out there actively doing what we need to do to look into this issue. It’s pretty hard for them to take us all down. So, there is safety in numbers. Now there are many people doing things that are completely unrelated to me. But I want to tell you about one such guy in California. He’s my new hero. And Alex, if you like, I could send you the link when it pops up as I understand in the next couple of days.

AJ: Okay, tell us about it.

BH: There’s going to be a link that he posts. He’s going to post the Rig a Vote Kit, which is using actual files from Diebold. What he has been doing is putting it on a CD, he’s taking it around and visiting his newspaper office editors and saying, “Let me put this on your computer. We are going to walk through this together. I’ll show you how to rig your own election.” And now this is not designed to show people how to rig elections. It’s designed to show newspaper editors the back doors into the system. He says he is routinely picking up jaws off the floor. They cannot believe what they are seeing. And in his kit, which a link will be posted to, and I encourage people to grab it quick because you know it will get shutdown.

AJ: For those who don’t know. It’s been in the news, they will have where one of every three votes for a certain individual just goes into a black hole file that isn’t counted.

BH: Well yeah and what he has is it shows you where the back doors are. And it is so appalling when you see it.

AJ: Give us that website address.

BH: Well, I’ll be happy to send that to you. It’s going up in the next two days. I’m telling you what’s going to happen here. And so that will be coming. Now one of the things he found there, he found a smoking gun. He found an actual file, an actual vote for San Louis County, California, that is let’s just say a problem. Now, you know what they are supposed to do. All the precincts vote, they close down the polls, they tally up the precincts. Somebody explain why there is a file that was left on the Diebold FTP site where they tallied up the votes from all 51 precincts in that county at 3:31 in the afternoon and it can only have been done via wireless - electronic means. Because otherwise they would have had to shutdown all 51 polling places

AJ: And that didn’t happen.

BH: and plug in a modem. And that didn’t happen. And why did that end up with a password such as the name of a Diebold employee and end up on a public FTP site..[crosstalk]

AJ: When they are not supposed to be involved. They are so sloppy.

BH: This is in the middle of an election, folks. You are tallying up 51 precincts ...

AJ: Bev Harris, God bless you. We’ve got to get you back on. You’re an amazing lady. blackboxvoting.com You’re amazing. Can we get you back up soon?

BH: Absolutely.

AJ: You’re awesome. Take care.

BH: Okay, thank you much.

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