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		<title>By: sears parts</title>
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		<dc:creator>sears parts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I can’t understand how to add your blog in my rss reader.

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		<title>By: Idiot Proof Diet Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idiot Proof Diet Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is such great information. thanks for the insight.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said krazykarma. Some people like to spew out volumes of vomit proclaiming they have some knowledge of &quot;science&quot;. You sir, have a future. You sir, don&#039;t know what that is. You sir, are going to find out whether you like it or not. Does the name YAMARAJA mean anything to you? Does the medical condition &quot;terminal restlessness&quot; ring a bell? You don&#039;t believe in karma eh? Then why do you use the name? Why not give yourself a more &quot;scientific&quot; title? Why use a flakey title that goes against your so called &quot;scientific beliefs&quot;? Karmakaze, &quot;One who is on the path to self destruction&quot;. I think it fits nicely. Enjoy the future that YOU are creating, one mouthful at a time. What goes around, comes around. And there&#039;s nothing you can do or say to stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said krazykarma. Some people like to spew out volumes of vomit proclaiming they have some knowledge of &#8220;science&#8221;. You sir, have a future. You sir, don&#8217;t know what that is. You sir, are going to find out whether you like it or not. Does the name YAMARAJA mean anything to you? Does the medical condition &#8220;terminal restlessness&#8221; ring a bell? You don&#8217;t believe in karma eh? Then why do you use the name? Why not give yourself a more &#8220;scientific&#8221; title? Why use a flakey title that goes against your so called &#8220;scientific beliefs&#8221;? Karmakaze, &#8220;One who is on the path to self destruction&#8221;. I think it fits nicely. Enjoy the future that YOU are creating, one mouthful at a time. What goes around, comes around. And there&#8217;s nothing you can do or say to stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmakaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmakaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RayB

I have spent quite a lot of time at that site, and they often distort the facts or outright lie. For example on the front page now is:

&quot;I’ve always thought that the biggest issue with greens was not CO2 and AGW, but “progress in general”. This story seems to support that notion. Maybe they’ll get James Hansen to denounce it too. - Anthony&quot;

In reference to this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/story/afp/20080909/bs_afp/germanywarmingemissions_080909013803;_ylt=Ah_apicQfN._jkZumlYbUpiek3QF

It seems a fair enough argument to make IF the groups mentioned are actually complaining about that plant. They reality is, if you read the entire article you will find this:

&quot;&quot;Vattenfall managers talk a lot about supposedly environmentally friendly coal power stations but they are still planning and building conventional coal-fired power stations with high levels of CO2 emissions,&quot; BUND&#039;s energy spokesman Thorben Becker said.&quot;

Building ONE such &quot;clean&quot; plant while still planning and building the &quot;dirty&quot; plants is what is known as &quot;green washing&quot; - doing or saying something to make yourself SEEM ecologically friendly while in fact not really SUBSTANTIVELY doing anything.

So Anthony Watts is supposedly pro-development, and this article shows that greens are actually anti-development. Of course coal fired power plants are relatively ancient technologies, even with this new method of sequestering the carbon output. Do a search on that site though and tell me if YOU can find ANY mention of the technological leap made by MIT that promises to do away with centralised power generation (itself an inherently inefficient process due to line loss). I tried and found NOTHING.

Not ONE mention of a true technological breakthrough that is the closest to free energy we&#039;ve ever come (solar/hydrogen). Why is Anthony Watts interested only in the OLD technologies if he is so pro-development? The fact is, he is not. All he is interested in is distorting the truth or outright lying to further his pro-fossil fuel agenda.

Don&#039;t take this to mean I automatically dismiss what he says, because at least he attempts to provide evidence and an argument, but when you study it closely it more often than not turns out to be misleading at best and outright false at worst.

As another example, look at the next story on that page regarding UAH satellite data. He creates a nifty graph showing the monthly temperature anomaly for lower troposphere temperatures, and kindly points out it is -0.01 Degrees Celsius for August. This is all well and good, but a monthly average is WEATHER, not CLIMATE, as he well knows. If he was trying to be accurate he would have graphed the 12 month running mean (the mean of the last 365 days, rather than the last 31) which would have shown an anomaly of +0.047 Degrees Celsius. In fact at no time since 2000 has the twelve month running mean been negative! That shows that for the last 8 years at least, the world has been warming!

This is what I mean about distortion. This year is clearly cooler than last because of El Nino, but it is still warmer than the baseline. Also he would have mentioned the decadal trend which is +0.129 Degrees Celsius.

All of this is in the same data he cherry picked to show cooling. In fact if we play by his rules this year is actually hotter than last because TODAY is 0.23 Degrees Fahrenheit WARMER than the same time last year according to UAH:
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

See, when you cherry pick data you can get it to show just about anything you want.

But turn about is fair play, so I have a link to offer you in turn:

http://www.realclimate.org/

That site is RUN by climate scientists (unlike your link which is run by &quot;a former television meteorologist&quot;) although one of them is the hated Michael Mann. Here is the list of REAL working climate scientists who post there:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?cat=10

The list includes climate scientists from NASA, Penn State, the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), University of Massachusetts, Potsdam University, University of Washington, Rutgers University, and University of Chicago. I&#039;m sorry but to me that list is a little more impressive than a &quot;former television meteorologist&quot;!

Now maybe Anthony Watts has some climate scientists posting in his comment section, but that is NOT the same as the blog actually being RUN by climate scientists. Still, maybe you would care to enlighten me as to who these scientists are that comment at Anthony Watt&#039;s blog?

Anyway, my point is not to say that Watts&#039; qualifications are inadequate, but that he clearly spins everything he posts to push a clear agenda: &quot;fossil fuel is good&quot;. Even his posts regarding possible mitigation strategies ALL revolve around how to combat the effects of raised CO2, rather than ways to REDUCE CO2!

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@Paul T

So, you&#039;re a creationist AND a vegetarian AND a global warming denier? Basically you&#039;re just anti-science, right Paul? Retard!

Go sell your bullshit spiritualism to someone retarded enough to believe it. What&#039;s next, crystals and astrology? Idiot.

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@TheTruthIsOutThere

You are a retard!

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@THINK YOU IDIOTS!

&quot;WHEN WIL THE MADNESS END?&quot;

When natural selection finally rids us of morons like you, I suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RayB</p>
<p>I have spent quite a lot of time at that site, and they often distort the facts or outright lie. For example on the front page now is:</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve always thought that the biggest issue with greens was not CO2 and AGW, but “progress in general”. This story seems to support that notion. Maybe they’ll get James Hansen to denounce it too. &#8211; Anthony&#8221;</p>
<p>In reference to this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/story/afp/20080909/bs_afp/germanywarmingemissions_080909013803;_ylt=Ah_apicQfN._jkZumlYbUpiek3QF" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/story/af.....YbUpiek3QF</a></p>
<p>It seems a fair enough argument to make IF the groups mentioned are actually complaining about that plant. They reality is, if you read the entire article you will find this:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Vattenfall managers talk a lot about supposedly environmentally friendly coal power stations but they are still planning and building conventional coal-fired power stations with high levels of CO2 emissions,&#8221; BUND&#8217;s energy spokesman Thorben Becker said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Building ONE such &#8220;clean&#8221; plant while still planning and building the &#8220;dirty&#8221; plants is what is known as &#8220;green washing&#8221; &#8211; doing or saying something to make yourself SEEM ecologically friendly while in fact not really SUBSTANTIVELY doing anything.</p>
<p>So Anthony Watts is supposedly pro-development, and this article shows that greens are actually anti-development. Of course coal fired power plants are relatively ancient technologies, even with this new method of sequestering the carbon output. Do a search on that site though and tell me if YOU can find ANY mention of the technological leap made by MIT that promises to do away with centralised power generation (itself an inherently inefficient process due to line loss). I tried and found NOTHING.</p>
<p>Not ONE mention of a true technological breakthrough that is the closest to free energy we&#8217;ve ever come (solar/hydrogen). Why is Anthony Watts interested only in the OLD technologies if he is so pro-development? The fact is, he is not. All he is interested in is distorting the truth or outright lying to further his pro-fossil fuel agenda.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take this to mean I automatically dismiss what he says, because at least he attempts to provide evidence and an argument, but when you study it closely it more often than not turns out to be misleading at best and outright false at worst.</p>
<p>As another example, look at the next story on that page regarding UAH satellite data. He creates a nifty graph showing the monthly temperature anomaly for lower troposphere temperatures, and kindly points out it is -0.01 Degrees Celsius for August. This is all well and good, but a monthly average is WEATHER, not CLIMATE, as he well knows. If he was trying to be accurate he would have graphed the 12 month running mean (the mean of the last 365 days, rather than the last 31) which would have shown an anomaly of +0.047 Degrees Celsius. In fact at no time since 2000 has the twelve month running mean been negative! That shows that for the last 8 years at least, the world has been warming!</p>
<p>This is what I mean about distortion. This year is clearly cooler than last because of El Nino, but it is still warmer than the baseline. Also he would have mentioned the decadal trend which is +0.129 Degrees Celsius.</p>
<p>All of this is in the same data he cherry picked to show cooling. In fact if we play by his rules this year is actually hotter than last because TODAY is 0.23 Degrees Fahrenheit WARMER than the same time last year according to UAH:<br />
<a href="http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps" rel="nofollow">http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/a.....?amsutemps</a></p>
<p>See, when you cherry pick data you can get it to show just about anything you want.</p>
<p>But turn about is fair play, so I have a link to offer you in turn:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/</a></p>
<p>That site is RUN by climate scientists (unlike your link which is run by &#8220;a former television meteorologist&#8221;) although one of them is the hated Michael Mann. Here is the list of REAL working climate scientists who post there:<br />
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?cat=10" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?cat=10</a></p>
<p>The list includes climate scientists from NASA, Penn State, the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), University of Massachusetts, Potsdam University, University of Washington, Rutgers University, and University of Chicago. I&#8217;m sorry but to me that list is a little more impressive than a &#8220;former television meteorologist&#8221;!</p>
<p>Now maybe Anthony Watts has some climate scientists posting in his comment section, but that is NOT the same as the blog actually being RUN by climate scientists. Still, maybe you would care to enlighten me as to who these scientists are that comment at Anthony Watt&#8217;s blog?</p>
<p>Anyway, my point is not to say that Watts&#8217; qualifications are inadequate, but that he clearly spins everything he posts to push a clear agenda: &#8220;fossil fuel is good&#8221;. Even his posts regarding possible mitigation strategies ALL revolve around how to combat the effects of raised CO2, rather than ways to REDUCE CO2!</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>@Paul T</p>
<p>So, you&#8217;re a creationist AND a vegetarian AND a global warming denier? Basically you&#8217;re just anti-science, right Paul? Retard!</p>
<p>Go sell your bullshit spiritualism to someone retarded enough to believe it. What&#8217;s next, crystals and astrology? Idiot.</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>@TheTruthIsOutThere</p>
<p>You are a retard!</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>@THINK YOU IDIOTS!</p>
<p>&#8220;WHEN WIL THE MADNESS END?&#8221;</p>
<p>When natural selection finally rids us of morons like you, I suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: fuk UN</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuk UN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These animals think their going to tell us what to eat and when to eat,FUCK the UN and all their bullshit,BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKERS...Global warming is bullshit.PS.Dr Rajendra Pachauri,fuck you,may you die a violent death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These animals think their going to tell us what to eat and when to eat,FUCK the UN and all their bullshit,BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKERS&#8230;Global warming is bullshit.PS.Dr Rajendra Pachauri,fuck you,may you die a violent death.</p>
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		<title>By: THINK YOU IDIOTS!</title>
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		<dc:creator>THINK YOU IDIOTS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KARMAKAZE

YOU ASSWIPE! HOW DARE YOU BE SO STUPID!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KARMAKAZE</p>
<p>YOU ASSWIPE! HOW DARE YOU BE SO STUPID!</p>
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		<title>By: THINK YOU IDIOTS!</title>
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		<dc:creator>THINK YOU IDIOTS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THEORY=OPINION!
EVOLUTION IS AN OPINION REPEATED SO MUCH IT IS NOW TAKEN AS FACT(AND IN OUR SCHOOL BOOKS)!
THE BIG BANG THEORY IS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF SHIT I HAVE EVER HEARD OF TO DATE. GLOBAL WARMING,GLOBAL COOLING AND NOW CALLED CLIMATE CHANGE.

WHEN WIL THE MADNESS END?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THEORY=OPINION!<br />
EVOLUTION IS AN OPINION REPEATED SO MUCH IT IS NOW TAKEN AS FACT(AND IN OUR SCHOOL BOOKS)!<br />
THE BIG BANG THEORY IS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF SHIT I HAVE EVER HEARD OF TO DATE. GLOBAL WARMING,GLOBAL COOLING AND NOW CALLED CLIMATE CHANGE.</p>
<p>WHEN WIL THE MADNESS END?</p>
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		<title>By: TheTruthIsOutThere</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheTruthIsOutThere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karmakase you really are PATHETIC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karmakase you really are PATHETIC</p>
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		<title>By: Paul T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I see there are many on this forum who believe Darwin&#039;s unproveable theory of evolution, while spouting loudly science this and science that. Darwin&#039;s theory is simply that. A theory. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to support it, unless you call jumping on a fanatical bandwagon &quot;science&quot;. Darwin himself abandoned it in his later years. Science today is simply not science. It is manipulation of the masses for exploitation, nothing more nor less. True science means 3 things. Observation, hypothesis and experiment. But where is the experiment to show that a rock can become an elephant. Simply fantasy. There is no evidence at all of a &quot;missing link&quot; where humans have evolved from a lower species. Humans are and always have been humans and while it&#039;s true that some humans (not all) have chosen to eat meat, evolved humans DO NOT EAT MEAT. Today, because humans have DEVOLVED to such an animalistic level, meat consumption is high, very high. So is the consumption of alcohol, drugs, junk food etc etc. These things are enjoyed by sub humans who actually have no understanding of the purpose of the human life. Two legged animals. Live like animals &amp; die like animals never stopping to question what happens to me at the time of death. Ignorant fools. Destined to take birth amongst the animal species they have killed, and to be killed themselves, countless times. These are the facts and every fool who denies them will very soon see the truth for themselves. This is KARMA. Not the foolish, childish krazykarma who lives in a tiny village in New Zealand. KARMA. Action and reaction. These are the laws of nature and all the puny talk on this forum is 100% ineffective in changing these facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I see there are many on this forum who believe Darwin&#8217;s unproveable theory of evolution, while spouting loudly science this and science that. Darwin&#8217;s theory is simply that. A theory. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to support it, unless you call jumping on a fanatical bandwagon &#8220;science&#8221;. Darwin himself abandoned it in his later years. Science today is simply not science. It is manipulation of the masses for exploitation, nothing more nor less. True science means 3 things. Observation, hypothesis and experiment. But where is the experiment to show that a rock can become an elephant. Simply fantasy. There is no evidence at all of a &#8220;missing link&#8221; where humans have evolved from a lower species. Humans are and always have been humans and while it&#8217;s true that some humans (not all) have chosen to eat meat, evolved humans DO NOT EAT MEAT. Today, because humans have DEVOLVED to such an animalistic level, meat consumption is high, very high. So is the consumption of alcohol, drugs, junk food etc etc. These things are enjoyed by sub humans who actually have no understanding of the purpose of the human life. Two legged animals. Live like animals &amp; die like animals never stopping to question what happens to me at the time of death. Ignorant fools. Destined to take birth amongst the animal species they have killed, and to be killed themselves, countless times. These are the facts and every fool who denies them will very soon see the truth for themselves. This is KARMA. Not the foolish, childish krazykarma who lives in a tiny village in New Zealand. KARMA. Action and reaction. These are the laws of nature and all the puny talk on this forum is 100% ineffective in changing these facts.</p>
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		<title>By: RayB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RayB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like we found something else we agree upon... the LHC.

Keep your mind opened and visit this site: http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/

The people there are not retarded. There are real scientist&#039;s discussions in there and others learning.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like we found something else we agree upon&#8230; the LHC.</p>
<p>Keep your mind opened and visit this site: <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>The people there are not retarded. There are real scientist&#8217;s discussions in there and others learning.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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