The use of torture by the US Government in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in New York on September 11, 2001 has come under increasing criticism.
In 1863 at the height of the US civil war, president Abraham Lincoln set the principles for interrogation of prisoners with a famous instruction “military necessity does not admit of cruelty”.
It took the September 11 attacks to change those principles and Vice-President Dick Cheney said the US would now have to work through the dark side.
In response, government lawyers drew up the so-called torture memos that would ultimately unleash the abuses at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib and at a host of secret CIA “black sites”.
In his new book, lawyer Philippe Sands argues that the responsible officials, and the lawyers who advised them, should be charged with war crimes.
Popular TV drama ‘24′ regularly show terror suspects being tortured so the hero can save the day but does this reflect a new tolerance of torture tactics in the United States?
August 20th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I think we should waterboard Cheney, that guy needs a serious ass kicking
August 20th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
look all the world elite, need to be subjected to the same thing their doing to innocent people, torture, they should be sprayed with depleted urainium like they did in the gulf war, they should be made to eat tainted food, theyre kids should be made to take the tainted iminuzations, they should be made to die,die,die,die
die,die,die,die,die,die,die,die,
August 20th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
We have completely aandoned the moral high ground upon which the principles our nation was built. We have now moved into the shadows of the lowlands, and I for one do not believe that the security of my family is dependedent upon the right of my country to torture anyone. In fact, I believe it is counterproductive to national security. The “they do it to us” argument is narrowminded and weak. Why until now has that argument never caused a policy change? It is clear that public conditioning is incremental and takes time. We must continue to question “official” stories and hold these American values changes up against the light of our history as a nation rather than simply the current agenda of a transient administration – no matter their party affiliation.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I believe that if these ghoulmeisters are guilty of war crimes, that we should incarcerate them, get all the information out of them that we possibly can, and then hang them (from white oak trees, using manilla hemp rope)…don’t torture them, just hang them, put them out of their misery. At the capstone (of the pyramid), we have the accessories before the fact…further down the capstone, we have the accessories after the fact. They won’t hang…they’ll just be incarcerated for the rest of their lives, and they know they should be, for lying and obstructing justice. We’ll eventually get to the “befores,” but we need the “afters” so that we can retrieve the information as to the whereabouts of the “befores.” Folks, don’t laugh when the chicken necks snap…just be thankful to get your Constitutional Republic restored.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Book of the Month:
http://search.barnesandnoble.c.....0230603905
A MUST READ concerning the WHO/WHAT/WHERE/WHEN and WHY of the United States torture desicion/progrom.
Hey .gov…just for you:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cringe
Love “Light” and Energy
_Don
http://www.theominousparallels.blogspot.com/
August 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Book of the Month:
http://search.barnesandnoble.c.....0230603905
A MUST READ concerning the WHO/WHAT/WHERE/WHEN and why of the United States torture progrom.
Hey .gov…just for you:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cringe
_Don
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August 20th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Sadism is utterly despicable and is an abomination of true and genuine sheer evilness.
All those involved, from Bush on down to the guards, are equally guilty of evilness in the first degree.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
America has been guilty of war crimes all along since its birth Jesus will bring his sword and set things right eather you are with us or you will be sent away from Jesus into hell with your satan and rocknroll hip hop guns and drugs that America worshiped all along
August 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
24 and its ilk are a perfect example of mass suggestion as regards a controversial issue like torture. They always make the association between torturer / good guys / justice.
http://www.onemorepromethean.com
August 20th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
We all have been tortured by bush/cheney for almost 8 years.
SO?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Check out the Great New 9/11 video “Missing Links” at http://www.prothink.org/
August 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
I liked the *let’s waterboard Cheney* idea.
Rest is just the U.S.A. showing true colours, now they just admit to doing it. Are we supposed to believe it didn’t happen in Vietnam and other conflicts??
August 20th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
I was a huge fan of “24″ and still have soft spot for its intense action and edge of the seat excitement but after my eyes were open about 9/11 I can no longer stomach it. It infuriates me especially if the kinds of things Bauer does can be down under the Patriot Act and under the clause of “national security.” I honestly think it is a weapon of the media to get us used to the idea of torture and a police military state. Also I find it interesting how this show came out about a year prior to 9/11. And with the Fox Ruper Murdoch connection I find this very interesting.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
When I first read about Bush vetoing the legislation that would have prevented the CIA from using ‘waterboarding’ and other horrible torture tactics, I became fully convinced that our country was being run by lunatics. It was almost impossible to believe that I was hearing this in MY beloved America. A US president proudly proclaiming that he is just fine with the use of TORTURE on suspects to get info!…It put a knot of SHAME in my stomach.
I hate the way we are now viewed by the international community. I am a proud American citizen and I know my fellow countrymen, and I believe with all my heart that we(the average American) are among the most generous and good-hearted people in the world. But with Bush as the example to the world of what an “American” is, who in other countries would know who we REALLY are?
I can only hope that the people of other nations realize that we do not agree with what this man has done. Americans are not the monsters that Bush would paint us to be. My prayer is that they are prosecuted for war crimes, for that is what they have committed.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
AUstralia’s PM has been formally reported to the ICC for his role in the war on Iraq.
ON the 15th of August they have acknowledged that they recieved the submission and that it is ‘now under analysis’
visit http://www.iccaction.com for more info and to view the case agianst him
August 20th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Yes the globalist have to keep their torturing methods fresh as they are preparing to have us in their torture chambers in the near future as true Christians and objectors will not be taking their zombie making beast chip!!
August 20th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
an elderly french lady that said during the end of WWII, when the americans marched into her town, she said, “oh, we were thrilled”. i remembered that story about a year and a half ago when i saw a youtube vid, shot by a US soldier in Iraq, it showed several gi’s in the back of a humvee the truck started pulling away, and they held a small bottle filled with water over the back tail end, and a little, maybe 5 year old Iraqi boy was PLEADING for the water. the truck pulled away, slowly gaining speed and the boy ran faster and faster to keep up. it was painfull to watch, the gi’s laughing and this baby in a war zone still running faster begging and gasping. it seemed to go on forever and finally the boy collasped in the middle of the street with tears streaming down his face, at that second they released the small bottle of water and out of nowhere two new boys scrambled in front of the fallen runner and snached the bottle. (WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT)
i thought to myself, would i be surprised if that kid grows up hating americans, no. his entire life has been shitsville, THANKS TO US. then why do the gi’s do that. I personally think they are taught to behave that way. (but it is hardly convincing that we are there to “spread peace and democracy”.) so, WHY do they want to torture? specifically waterboard? BECAUSE IT ERASES YOUR MEMORIES. BECAUSE IT ERASES YOUR MEMORIES. gotta keep up appearances by catching a higher level terrorist once in a while, but you certainly don’t want him flapping his jaw about anything he knows.
this country will never recover until we try those responsible at the highest levels for war crimes and treason. they disgrace us all.
August 21st, 2008 at 2:34 am
message to gnome sang,
you shouldnt take or feel any responsibility for what evil people have done to others it has not tarnished your humanity one bit,it has stolen a little of everyones spirit arond the planet and it makes me sick to my stomach and enrages me when i think about what these demons have done.whatever the flag is they fly it has no reflection on americans,cruelty and misery is a offence against all decent people wherever they are.these individuals are personally responsible for what they have done.how dare they make you feel like that.america is all about people like you,you have taken a little bit of your flag back,your flag still stands for freedom,bravery and equality here in england.youve fought for and won more liberty than we have in 300 years than we have in 3000 here in britain.
August 21st, 2008 at 2:40 am
The jewish produced ‘entertainments’ like ‘24′ and ‘Hostel’ were designed to sell the idea of torture to a mass american audience and beyond. A long time prior to this, one of O.J. Simpson’s main lawyers was the key jew responsible for flooding outlets like the NYT and the BBC with repeated statements ‘proving’ the essential need to torture muslims.
The program to return the West to medieval values of justice has been an extensive one, and the entire jewish owned/controlled mass media has played its part. Now torture us not just commonplace, it is an expected part of ALL law enforcement. The CATTLE-PROD is tool number one in the arsenal of anglo-saxon policeforces (in the disguised form of the taser). The jews call non-jews ‘cattle’ and now they’ve armed those that handle the front-lines with the tools best used to control ‘cattle’.
Did you not notice the HILARITY in which the jewish controlled/owned mass media covered the tasering of that young student for daring to try to ask an american politician a question.
American has always used torture, but had the ‘decency’ to act ashamed, and attempt to keep it secret. While this was hardly a good moral act, it did have the advantage of limiting the acceptance of torture, and thus limiting the use. Years ago I listened to multiple programs on the BBC, giving massive airtime to jews that were advocating the widespread use of torture in the West. The world, apparently, was filled with muslims about to kill a billion-trillion innocent people if we failed to torture their kiddies in front of them, and extract the magic disarmament codes. I wish I was joking.
There is nothing random about the current shape of control in the UK or USA. Every change was signposted years (or in some cases decades) back before they happened. The PNAC document is correctly held up as the Mein Kampf of our age, forecasting every unlikely event that would conveniently give the monsters their ‘victories’.
Unfortunately for us, issues like ‘torture’ are actually the least of our concerns. When american officially had slaves, torture was used as the mind-weapon to keep the slaves from acting or organising in any way that would allow their superior numbers count. Few slaves were ‘tortured’ but all slaves knew of individuals that had been tortured to death in the most disgusting way, and this includes right up until just before slaves were freed.
THE PROBLEM THE SLAVES HAD WAS NOT THAT THEY MIGHT BE TORTURED TO KEEP THEM COMPLIANT, BUT THAT THEY WERE SLAVES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
We can no longer afford to waste our time on lesser issues like ‘torture’. We must reverse the process that has made us slaves. The only right the slave has is the right to be the most efficient slave possible. The jews that control the mass media see their main task as persuading the ‘cattle’ that everything that defines slavery (being bound to the will of another) is actually everything that an aspiring sheeple should crave.
The ‘gentle’ times of the 20th century (and I know how hilarious that sounds) are over. Every member of the cattle slave population is to hold a constant awareness of the price to be paid of stepping out of line. The ‘brutalilty’ of the police enforcers will not be seen as mistaken in the near future, but standard. DISOBEY YOUR OVER-SEER AND YOU WILL GET THE WHIP, OR MUCH WORSE.
Obama will remove the right of americans to bear arms (and you know this is coming, jewish so-called activists have told you this is their goal for long enough). Once I thought the right to bear arms a foolish recipe for domestic slaughter. Now I know that is simply the price of enduring Human freedom. SLAVES WERE NEVER ALLOWED TO OWN WEAPONS.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:26 am
If we where not all trying to kill each other then torture camps ect would not exist, putting the blame on individual countries or people is not the answer , honesty by our governments would be a step in the right direction , this would generate trust not only by the people of that country but by the world as well.
But to obtain honesty you have to put people who have a high integrity of honor in power, people who will work for the good of humanity but all I see is power crazy greedy people elected into power by you and me who have been deceived by the lies and false illusion of who they really are. America is a good example of this, Bush for instance, this family basically run America and where voted in by people who fought or had relatives die in the second world war yet this family where nothing but money launderers for the Nazi party, they waved the stars and stripes and all was forgiven and this seems to be normal world wide by us all, we all easily forget the wrong doings that gave these people the money to be who they are. No man should be tortured for any reason in war or peace but until we sort out our own homes then this will continue behind closed doors.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:27 am
Who is going to charge the American law enforcement
personel with war crimes? Tasers are electric shock
torture weapons, and we sent Nazies to prison for using
them during the war. When do we enforce our own law
against these domestic terrorists?
August 21st, 2008 at 7:49 am
What’s the punishment for Warcrimes again?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:19 am
We have hit rock bottom. Where we were the most respected nation on earth we have decended into the most hated. From the most admired government to the most criminal. The only way now is up. It’s time for the people of this once great nation to wake up and join together to take back our country. It’s time to remove the criminals that have taken over our government. It’s time to turn off your tv which only feeds us misinformation and distracted from the truth. Realize we have been systematicly conditioned to accept misinformation as truth by the same methods used by Hitler
but with much more advanced technology’s. Those who give up thier freedoms for false sense security will be the destroyers of this great nation. They will do what no terrorist could ever accomplish. It’s up to YOU.