The US has interfered in Afghanistan since 1960s and increased its role in 1980s after the former Soviet Union invaded the country in 1979, a Pakistani journalist says.
“The US will pursue its plans for Afghanistan with the help of Taliban and al-Qaeda until 2012 in order to achieve its objectives against interests of China and Iran. The US will unveil its [ultimate] plans only when it achieves its objectives,” Jang Daily’s Javid Rashid told IRIB.
He claimed that the US and Pakistan would continue their cooperation in Afghanistan in the future. “I see Afghanistan’s future as very dim.”
(ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)
According to Rashid, the US and the Pakistani army jointly organized pro-Taliban militants in Pakistan because they want Pakistan under the current government to retain its chaotic situation.
“As they have introduced al-Qaeda as an emblem of terror in the Muslim world, they have also established Taliban in an effort to weaken Pakistan,” Rashid noted.
June 17th, 2009 at 4:31 am
tell me this…what SOVERIGN NATION HAS AMERIKA’NOT’ INTEFERRED WITH?
chevs911truth Reply:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:26 am
no surprise
http://beyondbelief.weebly.com/
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 17th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Yeah mike, include Oz in that group as we had our own elected Labor Govt replaced with a pro-U.S. Liberal Govt in 1975 in a “bloodless coup.”
For God’s sake they are even down in Antarctica for both financial and military purposes.
(Training penguins to be “suicide bombers”)-that’s a bit of laconic Aussie humour there folks, no offence intended.
Cheers.
Million Dollar Question Reply:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
now Mike that is the million dollar question.
Our government is like that of the once Great British Empire. Sticking its nose into everyone elses business, and telling them how to live. In the name of Freedom… of course.
Like that once mighty empire ouw government is growing too fat on greed and power, and will eventually implode. The same happened to all once great Empires.
Nero will fiddle while Rome burns.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am
mike, none, including ours.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:07 am
uph!
If a reporter says it’s true, and it makes America look bad, then that clealry meets prison planets requirements of being authentic……
WOW
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 7:06 pm
reconmarine, u r a sham mate….!!!
I’ve seen ur rants in other posts/subjects and imo ur (a):
Fallacious
Unedifying
Character
Knowingly
Withholding Informative
Truth
the only reason u may have been in the military is so that u could share the showers with “virile young men…!!!!!!”
U question whether non-USA residents should post their thoughts here…I am more of a patriot that u jerk-off!
When challenged, u hide behind vindictive oratory to cover-up ur own shortcomings and have no ability to debate an issue.
I will be in Los angeles later this year and if u want to have a “meeting” then anytime mate…I’m willing and able to confront your crap…..!!!!!
Just name the time and place jerk!!!!!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:25 am
If a reporter, the government, or some rightwing blogger or book whore says its true and it fits into my american-exceptionalism and dumbed down world view, it must be true! Seriously, im a fucking idiot, I actually take certain media whores seriously and have blind trust in our institutions. Im ok with it though, thats why I can talk about it.
Misha Reply:
June 18th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Try doing some actual historical research, that’s not connected to the media, into what’s going on in the world. The reason Amerika looks bad is because Uncle MacSam has stuck his lard-arse into every possible location imaginable. US foreign policy of the last 100 years would make the greatest horror film of ALL time, ousting ‘The British Empire’ from pole position in the box office list of greatest hits.
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 8:48 pm
You’ve got that right mate……!!!!
u r a fuckin’ idiot….!!!!!
It must make ur carer pleased that u can now express words with more than two syllables….u r a disgrace to the “Stars ‘n ‘ Stripes!
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 9:28 pm
reconmarine,
the closest u got to war was:
Wanking
And
Reguritating
which explains ur lifestyle and vitriol.
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 am
reconmarine, u r a :
Friendless
And
Generally
Gutless
One on one
Tugger
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Shut the fuck up….bitch…!
No-one is interested in ur garbage so go and wank!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:33 am
SHOULD PAKISTAN EXIST?
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Thursday, 07 May 2009
Let’s cut to the chase. The answer is no. Pakistan should never have existed in the first place. There is no reason for it to continue to exist now.
The place to start here is with The Lunacy of a British Legacy from July 2006, which gives you the background on Pakistan’s creation, and that of the Taliban.
You could follow that up with Moslem Terrorist Drug Lords With Nukes from November 2007, which explains the Afghan heroin production as a joint operation between the Taliban and the ISI – the Pakistan military’s InterServices Intelligence Agency – and how Afghan president Hamid Karzai and his family are in on the heroin take.
Mr. Karzai met with Mr. Zero in the White House yesterday (5/06), along with the leader of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari. All three men privately despise each other, and publicly professed mutual admiration and support.
Ostensibly, they were meeting because the Taliban are now destabilizing Pakistan as well as Afghanistan. You can be sure Zero did not insist on solving the heart of the Taliban problem, any more than did his predecessor. Mr. Bush refused to order Afghanistan’s poppy fields be wiped out via high-altitude spraying of a micro-herbicide developed by DARPA. And so has Zero.
The poppy-killing fungus will cause the entire Afghan poppy crop (which supplies 90% of the world’s heroin) to disappear for decades – with no other crop being affected. Doing so would wipe out the Taliban and the ISI financially. But as it would also wipe out lots of powerful folks on the take in the Afghan and Pak governments, it will not be used, and the Taliban will expand its power until it takes over both governments.
So let’s talk about India instead. There are indications India is about to take matters into its own hands, with or without Washington’s approval. This is particularly true since, as noted by former US ambassador to India Robert Blackwill in a speech in New Delhi this week (5/05), Zero is abandoning the efforts of George Bush to build a strong US-India relationship in favor of currying favor with China.
Pakistan is a make-believe country. Take a look at this official map which the Pak government delineates its borders:
First look at the area in the upper right labeled “Jammu & Kashmir.” See that faint dotted line starting at the China border, goes across the area underneath Skardu and wraps around Srinigar? That’s the real border: below it (Srinigar) is India, above it (Skardu) is Pak. The Skardu-Gilgit area is composed of ancient tribal peoples such as Baltits and Hunzukuts who just want to be left alone by the rest of the world, including Islamabad.
The NWFP, or North West Frontier Province is Pushtun, the same tribe that populates 42% of Afghanistan, forming that country’s largest ethnic group. That nice dark line between Afghanistan and the NWFP, which Islamabad pretends is its border, is an illusion. There is no border, the entire region on both sides of it are Pushtun, and Islamabad has never exercised any control over it.
The pretend line continues, claiming to divide Afghanistan and Iran from the Pak province of Baluchistan, a huge region that takes up almost 45% of Pakistan yet contains only 10% of the country’s population, mostly split between Pushtuns in the north and wild Baluchi nomads in the southern desert wastelands.
The Pak government has never controlled the Baluchis any more than the Pushtuns. It’s all Apache country over which it has little real sovereignty.
So we come to the core of the country, Punjab and Sindh, and the unending hatred between Punjabis and Sindhis.
First a famous story that I can’t resist relating. India, including what is now Pakistan, was created by the imperial British, and when the region of Sindh was conquered by British General Sir Charles Napier in 1842, he sent a one-word message back to Delhi headquarters announcing his victory: peccavi.
In those days, all British officers were classically educated, so they knew instantly what Napier was saying. Peccavi is Latin for “I have sinned.” Napier had Sindh.
Sindh is a feudal region dominated by wealthy land-owning families (of which the Bhutto and Zardari families are among) who control the lives of 40 million poverty-stricken illiterate farmers.
It also contains Pakistan’s largest city (12m) and business center, Karachi, where the Mohajirs are concentrated, the Indian Moslems who fled to Pakistan during 1947 Partition and their descendents. The hatred is mutual between them and native Sindhis.
While Sindhis are farmers ruled by a land-owning aristocracy and Mohajirs are business folk, Punjabis consider themselves warriors. Half the Pak population is Punjabi, some 80m. 90% of the Pak Army officer corps in Punjabi.
Not only is the Punjabi Pak military so politically powerful that , as Alex Alexiev observes this week in The Real Problem in Pakistan, “Pakistan is not a sovereign state with a military, but a sovereign military with a state at its disposal to use as it sees fit.” It is that the Punjabi Pak military is so economically powerful that it controls most business activity like a mafia.
There is no way to untie this Gordian Knot of ethnic hatreds, fanatical stone-age Islamism, a heroin-smuggling mafia military, corruption at every level of society, feudal poverty, and an arsenal of nuclear weapons. The solution is to let India cut the Gordian Knot of Pakistan asunder.
This is tricky. India has no desire to conquer and absorb Pakistan, which would double the number of Moslems within it (there are 160 million Moslems in each). It needs to rather break the place apart into pieces.
The first object should be a quick in-and-out military operation to seize Pakistan’s nukes. They are dispersed so it’s complicated – and more so because there will be no help from the US military under Zero. So India will be smart about it and take advantage of the Pak military’s greatest vulnerability: it’s officers and key personnel are for sale, they can be bought.
The Punjabis have always looked upon Afghanistan as theirs, and the Pushtuns as barbarian inferiors. (The disgust is returned. The greatest insult a Pushtun parent can give a misbehaving child is: “Stop that – you’re behaving as a Punjabi.”) Simultaneously, they are in constant fear of Pushtuns on either side of the border joining together to form an independent “Pushtunistan.”
Yet Pushtuns don’t want their own political entity apart from Afghanistan. The solution is to move the border east, so that Afghanistan encompasses the NWFP and the Pushtun region of northern Baluchistan.
This is not difficult to broker. The Pushtuns would jump at the chance to be unified, and it would deny the Taliban of the fig leaf of a Pak sanctuary. After India seizes the Pak nukes and engenders a period of chaotic destabilization, India has Kabul claim all of Pushtunistan and the Pushtuns declare for it. The US military, commanded by David Petraeus, is then free to nail the Taliban with no concern over violating “Pakistan sovereignty.”
During the same chaotic time, the Baluchis can get the independence from Islamabad they’ve fought decades for. The capital would be Quetta, and the Baluchis could make a go of it, as one of the world’s largest gold and copper deposits is at Reko Diq in the west near Iran (it’s being developed by the Australian mining giant BHP Billiton). Further, the Chinese have spent $2 billion developing the Baluchi port of Gwadar (spelled Gawadar on the map) with state-of-the-art import/export facilities.
What would be left is a rump state of Sindh-Punjab plus the Gilgit-Skardu northern territory. If the Sindhis and Punjabis and Mohajirs can get along sufficiently, they could still have a single country however reduced in size and power – for the chaos should be used to shrink concomitantly the size and power of the Punjabi Pak military.
Such a plan is being worked on right now at the South Block headquarters of the Indian Defense Ministry in New Delhi. The generals all realize now they have to act alone without America. It is the same situation that Israel is in regarding Iran. There is even some talk – for there is a great deal of communication between the Indian and Israeli militaries – of coordinating attacks, Israel upon Iran’s nukes, Indian upon Pakistan’s nukes, simultaneously.
“Your president would be like a deer in the headlights if this occurred,” says one US-educated Defense Ministry fellow I know. “He’d be paralyzed.”
Pakistan has become the world’s most dangerous failed state. It needs to be disarmed and dismantled. Just like Iran. Working together and ignoring Zero, India and Israel may kill two nuclear birds with one cooperative stone.
PoorAmericanCitizen Reply:
June 17th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
What a filthy hit piece you have cut and pasted here.
It looks like you are not a student of history reather a promoter of disinformation.
Yes India and Israel are working on the destruction of Pakistan with the help of US. This is a joint venture between Illuminatis and Jewish Zionists and Hindu Zionists.
But you will see that they will fail. Pakistan is a real country and its people will defend that country despite there is a heavy CIA penetration in many areas in Pakistan. They smuggle drugs from Afganistan to make Pakistanis drug addict and now sending terroists with the name Taliban. All these criminality will bring nothing but death and pain and suffering of Pakistani people. In the end Pakistanis will prevail.
You will see…
MANATTHEDOOR Reply:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Pakistan is a shit hole and should be taken over by India. Now go home and wipe your ass the correct way. Stop using your mother hand.
corzy Reply:
June 18th, 2009 at 2:06 am
You moron, youve never seen Pakistan, the Taliban has been funded by criminals
India is a Racist state with it caste system, Isreal is bordering on being a racist state
the first racist was the devil
June 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Here is a more detailed article about the Indian and American involvement in sending terrorists into Pakistani tribal areas.
Please read this article: http://thecurrentaffairs.com/i.....-fata.html
I am including the first few paragraphs here:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan— The Pakistani military through its own channels has shared evidence with the U.S. military about Indian support for terrorism in Pakistan’s tribal belt and Swat.
The evidence was embarrassing for the Americans because they have been defending Indian presence in Afghanistan and have also been defending the opening up of Indian consulates in areas close to the Pakistani border.
More embarrassing for the Americans is that besides some Indian weapons and the proof on the presence of Indian-origin special forces personnel and assets, a large amount of standard issue U.S. military weapons have been confiscated by the Pakistanis from dead terrorists. Washington is explaining this by saying these weapons were sold on the black market by the U.S.-trained new Afghan army. But the quality of the weapons – including anti-aircraft guns and launchers – and their quantity eliminates the possibility that smuggling is the only explanation.
The Pakistani government is reluctant to make the evidence public, possibly because it does not want a confrontation with the Indians and the Americans. But the Pakistani military has made its strategic red lines clear.
……
If you search you will find a lot more articles and evidence that this is going on big time.
So many un-circumcised Indian Hindu have been killed who have grown beard and call themselves Taliban, they go to villages and take young women ot gun point and say that they are marrying them. One Hindu rapes 10 women and call it Islamic marriage to malign Taliban and according to the script.
What a game of deception.
MANATTHEDOOR Reply:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Who cares! LET INDIA TAKE OVER PAKISTAN. INDIA HAS THE TRUE LEADERSHIP. AND FOR GOD SAKE TAKE A SHOWER AND USE OLD SPICE! I’m tired of smelling your sweat.
It hurts my eyes.
corzy Reply:
June 18th, 2009 at 2:09 am
stop trolling you moron – India was a Soviet Alley for years and there leadership if far from true
June 17th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Hey StudentOfhistory… What kind of institution is teaching you that bullshit?
You are the most ill-informed person I have ever read. Open your eyes and see the reality.
What you are doing is nothing except promoting hatread, just like Americans do.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
USA Inc. planted the Taliban in Pakistan? That’s preposterous…I think.
corzy Reply:
June 18th, 2009 at 2:14 am
Not planted but certainly the belief in Pakistan is tha there are american element may be individuals/arms dealers or u.s. spy agencies, that have funded terrorists like Baitul Musud responcible for 70% of bombings in Pakistan –
Thats the belief of the rank and file army personel in Pakistan – have a distant cousin in the army!
June 18th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Hey.
@Student. Interesting article. The fact is that Pakistan does face these issues with regard to the ethinic divisions within the country. it is a heavily territorial country and the complete integration of the provinces is one of the larger internal challenges that it has to face. Still, it does not mean that the country should not have existed or should be dismantled. The article is too biased.
@the writer of the article. Who is this Rashid? and why should his own opinion (which he is entitled to have) be treated as the findings of some expert on the matter.
@Transmogrifer. The USA created the Taliban with the help of the Pakistani regime at the time. This is FACT. Is it preposterous that they may have a role in what is going on, i dont know for sure. But i dont think it is too far fetched to assume that they have some interest and some of their own strategic objectives in what goes on in Pakistan.
The truth lies in the gray areas of this whole mess. There are various competing interests for Afghanistan and the areas surrounding it. There are various strategic master plans that influential countries like the US, China work towards covertly and overtly. Other upcoming influentials like India, Israel seek to advance their own objectives in the shadow of the former. Countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan are affected where the only interests being pursued are of the ruling team, generally without respect to any long term country level strategy.
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Chzzz,
You might be close to the truth!
Cheers.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Union of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Only solution to present problem of Instability in Afghanistan and Pakistan is in the Union of Afghanistan and Pakistan, based on the basics principles of Democracy in which Government should be composed of representatives of all sections of society and regions, No one will be dominant to each other, and that country will be easily governable by Government, In history Durani Empire was composed of all areas in which today Pakistan and Afghanistan are located, During Mughal Empire both Afghanistan and Pakistan were a single country, During initial period of British Empire they were also same country, During British Empire, some vested interest forces kept at distance to both these lands from each other , Due to which borders between these two countries have become hiding place for criminals of both countries and theft automobiles and others stolen assets are stored in this region, this large uncontrollable region is basis of many evils , Narcotics are grown in these areas ,and addiction of which is destroying youths and humanity and due to poverty and non development, people are going towards extremism and militancy, Union of both countries will make the single government of this region more responsible in stabilizing the region and in satisfying the nationalistic pride of people and people will be able to serve humanity as other large nations of world are serving the humanity, other wise this region will always remain as a nuisance for world, as this region already has destroyed Soviet Union it may also take down to western world which will be a great blow to development of Science and Technology specially Medical science.
Advantages to world.
Control of Terrorism:
Instability in this region is causing great damage to humanity, soldiers of USA and NATO are sacrificing their lives just to eliminate Terrorists from these countries, while by unification it will become sole responsibility of the people and government of unified nation to control terrorists and it will be more convenient for that government to administer as there will be unity in chain of command.
Control of Extremism:
As unified nation will be composed of multiethnic groups such as Punjabies,Sindhies,Baloachs, Pukhtoons,Urdu speakers,Tajiks, Persians and Hazaras and will be composed of multisectarian society such as Sunni and Shiites it will become impossible for any ethnic group or religious sect to find any future in extremism
Stabilization of Region:
Although now a days in this region there is problem of terrorism but infact from a long time (about 50 years) this region is suffering from instability, reason is that people of this region are finding no hope and future for themselves due to division of this region and interference of large nations such as Soviet Union, USA, China and India but when the people of this region were unified at the time of Durani Empire this region was stable and same was case during Mughal Empire..
As there are three main groups in Asia i.e. Chinese, Hindues and Muslims. Chinese and Hindues are satisfied with their Dominion states of China and India, but as there is no large state of Muslims in Asia while their numerical population is greater than Chinese and Hindues, therefore Muslims are suffering from distress which is causing instability and irritation in common Muslims, therefore by creation of a unified state of Pakistan and Afghanistan a sense of satisfaction and respect with the existence of a national state will be achieved
Solution to Economic Problems.
At present both countries are burden on other countries and in fact are a barrier in exploring the resources of Central Asia by world. After stabilization it will be useful for not only for Central Asia and World but also for the new unified nation itself
Advantages to Pakistan:
It was the vision of Founder of Pakistan Quaid-e-Azam to unify region of West Pakistan with Afghanistan and East Pakistan with Malysia and Indonesia and that is still the need of time.
• By unification with Afghanistan, areas which are included in Pakistan will be stabilized, and migration of people from disturbed areas will be stopped,
• Law and order situation due to smuggling of weapons from Afghanistan will come to an end.
• Similarly illicit drug trade will be minimized.
• Whole areas of Pukhtoons speaking population will become unified and which will be helpful for development of culture and language of that group which is now divided in two nations.
• Security measures expenses on borders will be minimized which may be used for welfare of people.
• Interference of other nations in this region will be stopped.
• Due to historical and unique region and having importance for Buddhism and Hindues religion, tourism industry will be flourished and business activity in the region will be increased,
Advantages to Afghanistan:
• By unification status of Afghanistan as land lock country will come to an end, and Union will increase the freedom of people of Afghanistan for travel and economic activity,
• Extremism and terrorism will come to and end, as the people will become more engaged and involved in adjusting themselves in new union. it will increase the utilization of raw products of Afghanistan ,
• Security and military expenses will be minimized,
• Doors of job for people of Afghanistan in Pakistan will opened ,the desire of unification of people of Afghanistan with people of Pakistan will be fulfilled.
• Shortage of food products in Afghanistan will be decreased and it will increase the utilization of raw products of Afghanistan in the region.
• Due to linkage of central Asia via Afghanistan, will cause extraordinary development in the whole region.
From all above points it is clear that unification of Pakistan and Afghanistan will be fruitful for every one and for world at large by each and every angle.
Written By:
M.AKRAM KHAN
Email:akrumniazi@hotmail.com
Baldia Town,Karachi.Pakistan.
June 21st, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Well put together argument but you forgot one thing…..CIA’s involvement in the illicit poppy-growing and their influence could easily bring down any fledgling government.
Cheers.
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 21st, 2009 at 9:26 pm
reconmarine,
the closest u got to war was:
Wanking
And
Regurgitating
which explains ur own lifestyle and vitriol!
Aussie Bob Reply:
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 am
reconmarine, u r a:
Friendless
And
Generally
Gutless
One on one
Tugger
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