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Who Controls The Black Bloc Anarchists?
Government Decides Who Protests At G20: Violent anarchists allowed to smash up buildings despite announcing target in advance, yet anti-poverty group barred from protesting
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, April 2, 2009
The British authorities seemed to have little problem with allowing a group of violent black bloc anarchists smash up the RBS building while provoking police yesterday, despite the group announcing their target in advance, yet a legitimate anti-poverty organization has had its “accreditation” to protest at the G20 removed on the orders of Downing Street.
This once again underscores the completely undemocratic power of the government to decide who is allowed to protest against them and who is not. When you have to get permission from the government to exercise a God-given right, as in China or Russia, then we know we are already living in a police state. The freedom to protest is not one that has to be “accredited” by the state, a license to protest as it were, it is an innate human right.
Apparently, if you wear black hoods and scarves, smash up private property and provoke police, then that’s absolutely fine and you’ll be left largely untouched. But God forbid if you’re a middle of the road anti-poverty group that just wants to peaceably march down the street.
“An anti-poverty group expressed “outrage” after its accreditation to attend Thursday’s G20 summit was suddenly withdrawn on Wednesday,” reports the Telegraph.
“The World Development Movement said it had no idea why the decision was taken but claimed it was on the orders of 10 Downing Street.”
“The group, which was part of last weekend’s huge (and peaceful – ed) Put People First Alliance which held a rally in London, said the Foreign Office received a note from 10 Downing Street telling it to revoke the accreditation.”
Benedict Southworth, the group’s director, said that the decision was part of the government’s plan to “stage-manage events and prevent voices of dissent and disagreement being heard.”
The black bloc anarchist assault on the Royal Bank of Scotland building yesterday certainly had an air of being stage-managed. The target was announced in advance, the authorities knew that the building was a prime target, and yet it was the only one in the street not boarded up. A cafe across the street was boarded up and yet the RBS building was left completely vulnerable to attack.
Stage-managed? Press photographers outnumber anarchists as the RBS siege is perfectly “produced” for a live television audience.
Cue a relatively small gaggle of black-bloc anarchists, followed by an similarly sized press corps to photograph every angle of every smashed window, and you have the makings of a stage-managed event to instantly be consumed by the watching middle classes thus enlisting their support for a police state crackdown. In this instance, the police stood back and let them do pretty much whatever they liked, which is highly suspicious within itself, but the week is far from over and a wider crackdown could ensue now that public acquiescence has been garnered through repeated footage showing the hostility of the anarchists.
We’re not saying for a minute that every anarchist group is working at the behest of the authorities as provocateurs, nor that the majority are not legitimate protesters expressing their right to free speech, but as we have documented, this particular black bloc sect are at best completely infiltrated by provocateurs who can routinely be relied upon to provide the media with violent footage with which to demonize legitimate protesters at every major global summit stretching back nearly two decades.
To emphasize our point that a lot of these people are merely hired thugs, whenever someone asks them what they are actually proposing to replace the evils of capitalism, they have no idea, as the video below highlights.
Meanwhile, people who actually have a defined cause and merely want to exercise their right to free speech as a public platform to draw attention to the issue, and have already proven they are a peaceable group, are barred from doing so by the government removing their “accreditation” to protest.
Why are the authorities so keen on stifling peaceful protesters while giving free reign to people who dress up like terrorists, attack buildings and provoke cops? Whose interests do the violent actions of the black bloc benefit? The interests of the general public in using free speech as a means of political change? Or the interests of the authorities in providing the perfect pretext with which to crush and outlaw that free speech?
You can’t overthrow the entire system by smashing one bank and starting a bonfire. Real political change takes generations of struggle, decades of building respected educational platforms, and a gargantuan grass-roots movement focused on taking power on the local level and expanding upwards. Throwing a brick through a window isn’t going to achieve anything other than making the vast majority of the general public despise you even more, and support the very systems of power that you are supposedly opposing.
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We have documented numerous different occasions where the leadership of the black bloc anarchists were actually working with the authorities to provide a pretext for a police state crackdown.
Following the SPP protests in Canada two years ago, Quebec provincial authorities were forced to admit that three rock-wielding black mask-wearing “anarchists” were in fact police infiltrators used to gather information on protesters.
Video shows two of the provocateurs pick up rocks and try to incite violence before they are outed as cops by legitimate demonstrators. The two thugs then tried to slip behind police lines before their fellow officers were forced to stage their arrest. Again, the fact that they were cops in disguise was later admitted by authorities. Watch the video.
Alex Jones’ film Police State 2: The Takeover exposed how the black bloc anarchists were completely infiltrated and provocateured by the authorities during the violent 1999 WTO protests in Seattle.
The authorities declared a state of emergency, imposed curfews and resorted to nothing short of police state tactics in response to a small minority of hostile black bloc hooligans. Police allowed the black bloc to run riot in downtown Seattle while they concentrated on preventing the movement of peaceful protestors. The film presents clear evidence that the black bloc anarchist group was actually controlled by the state and used to demonize peaceful protesters. Watch the video below.
At the WTO protests in Genoa 2001 a protestor was killed after being shot in the head and run over twice by a police vehicle. The Italian Carabinere also later beat on peaceful protestors as they slept, and even tortured some, at the Diaz School. It later emerged that the police fabricated evidence against the protesters, claiming they were anarchist rioters, to justify their actions. Some Carabiniere officials have since come forward to say they knew of infiltration of the so called black bloc anarchists, and that fellow officers acted as agent provocateurs.
At the Free Trade Area of Americas protests in Miami in late November 2003, more provocateuring was evident. The United Steelworkers of America calling for a congressional investigation, stated that the police intentionally caused violence and arrested and charged hundreds of peaceful protestors. The USWA suggested that billions of dollars supposedly slated for Iraq reconstruction funds are actually being used to subsidize “homeland repression” in America.
The leadership of the black bloc has been completely usurped by the authorities and anyone who still professes to be a member of the group is either supremely naive or completely stupid. To dress up like terrorists, all in black with ski masks and bandanas (like the police) immediately sends out a negative message to the watching public and demonizes legitimate protesters.
More violence is expected throughout the rest of the week in London and if the police are ordered to institute a brutal crackdown on peaceful demonstrators then we can thank the black bloc anarchists, both the provocateurs and the useful idiots who ape their violence, for providing them with the perfect pretext to do so.
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April 2nd, 2009 at 5:41 am
That photo with the guy breaking the window and SO MANY cameras tells the story. This is all for show. If all those cameramen could be there so could one or more cops to stop it. If this was a real riot or seriously violent demonstration there would be no cameramen in the middle of it. Problem-Reaction-Solution
A Patriot Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 7:51 am
Heh Heh – Could it BE any more obvious…
It’s like they don’t even Try anymore..
And why should they – I guarantee 9 out of 10 Americans I ask on the street will say, yeah, they heard about the violent protestors breaking windows in London – and they think the police should crack down on those people.
Amazing!
vigilant Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 10:55 am
Who controls Alex Jones???
JTCoyote Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Alex Jones is controlled by the people. Alex Jones is funded and driven by YOU!
JTCoyoté
April Fool Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 am
check the date on which this happened too, seems to be a cruel joke played on both the citizens, and the PEACEFUL protestors.
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:46 am
Yes.
Who works for the State and who works for the people?
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:12 am
There is no leadership in the Black Bloc. Think about it.
rossovalentino Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 am
exactly!!:)
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:16 am
As the article says,most people will watch this on main stream media and believe that these protesters (which are working for the government) should be detained and harsher rules to be applied.When is the general population going to come out it s coma.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:19 am
I’m not for seeing conspiracy in everything, BUT, there is no way that was a real riot. It was totally fake, when viewed in the light of the recent sectarian riots in Northern Ireland (with petrol bombs and shots being fired) or in France, where hostages have even been temporarily taken.
Glenn Reply:
April 5th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Please don’t belittle what happened in London by claiming it was a fake riot. Many of the people in that “Riot” were innocent civilians asking to leave the cordon, we were coralled like animals for 8 hours by riot police, and tempers did fray, many of the people trading punches and throwing missiles had lost their cool after being beaten and abused by police for several hours. I personally treated two very real head injuries. The people there were very scared, and angry. We did not know what the authorities were going to do to us, people were finally allowed to leave escorted 1 by 1 after 8 hours of being in the corall. We were unable to see where people were being taken, and unable to ascertain what the police were doing to them when they got out of sight. Anti Terrorism laws were invoked to force people under threat of arrest and further detention, to submit themselves to be videoed by facial recognition systems, searched, and demanded to provide name and address, before they were finally either detained or released. Most of the mainstream news channels have broadcast a skewed version of events, with only Al-Jazeera coming close to capturing the truth. The bank window was put through by fired up teenagers being egged on by a very angry crowd chanting “Burn the Bank”. However the bank was only attacked after the first round of beatings from the police, which resulted in the first volley of missiles being thrown in response. The only suspicious elements to the events were the bank window being un protected, and the mounted riot police standing back, however it’s likely they held back due to the fact that they would become trapped on all 3 sides, by very angry people. The windows being smashed was inevitable, there was no way that of around 300 people in that alley, that one person wouldn’t start the ball rolling. As for the press, yes they were there, but they were everywhere, quite conveniently, they were generally taking most of the beatings from the baton charges, as they were always in the thick of the action, to get the shots they wanted. The look on the police officers face in this picture says a lot more than I can,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/d.....3/sizes/l/
They were cornered and had to run the gauntlet to safety, surrounded by very angry people when they tried to split the crowd in two (unsuccessfully).
It was real, as were the abuses of human rights in the resultant impromtu detention camp. I suggest that you find out about the police tactic of “Kettling”.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:23 am
I wish the idiots who leave comments on SkyNews would read this article. They are outraged by these ’soap dodgers’ breaking property and are calling for a much tougher line from the police. Some even want the army to ‘wipe out this filth’ or lock up hooded protesters on sight for 6 months. What is terrifying to me isn’t just the police state clamp down or the seemingly staged vandalism photo opportunity. No, its the fact that people are blindly ASKING to live under a tyrannical police state government. Its pretty amazing how the few are completely controlling the thoughts and will of the many. Furthermore I can’t leave comments on SkyNews anymore, no matter how many I send they never get on there.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:26 am
The second video is nothing more than a B grade movie .Watch the supposed protester walk past the riot police and then just lie on the ground with no struggle or anything.It s BS.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 am
Climate change, anti poverty are globalists. Black block know this whole thing is a scam.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:54 am
I’ve an idea guys. Lets put on our lovely pink flower dresses and hold a lovely peaceful protest, this will surely drive fear into the hearts of the polititians. HAHAHA probly not, infact this will accomplish the same nothing as it did in the 1960’s. Ask the dolly lama about his attempts at using peace and love to achieve freedom for tibet, send him a letter in India where he was forced to flee to.
You guys keep sitting there doing nothing but having civil disobedient peace protests while these polititians keep ramming there nicely polished boots further up yours, because this is exactly what they want you to do.
Where have all the warriors gone? Where have all the real MEN gone?
When we figure out the answer to these two questions then we may finally, though definetly not easily begin to make ground against these treasonous traitors that have successfully infiltrated our great nations!
Its about time you people here started realising that these peace activists on this site are the real trolls sent here to make sure you are wearing your little pink dress, doing nothing more than waving a stupid sign in the air that nobody who matters will even see.
Oh, by the way, your local polititians dont care either, just so you understand.
bill baxter Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:51 am
What are you doing, and what does it matter? If the dude is right, he’s right. Having no good options is *not* an excuse to do something wrong. When people do something stupid or wrong headed they need to be criticized whether its the cops, the black bloc, or middle of the road peace groups. Speaking up for what you believe in is the foundation of all of this, and it shouldn’t be a requirement that you know how to spell ‘dalai lama’ over educated middle class condescension hurts this movement more than any black masked idiot ever will.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:59 am
PEACEFUL PROTESTERS NEED TO POLICE THE CROWD! RIP THOSE MASKS OFF AND RESTRAIN THOSE PROVOCATEURS……HUMANLY.
Grandpa Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 8:10 am
that’s what I say have a civilian peace force within the crowd to corner and subdue the provocateurs for the benefit of the message
bill baxter Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Sure, why not do the cops’ work for them? What message does a protester send by turning on other protesters? If you want to control the meaning people find in your message, then send your message out over the radio, through zines and brochures, through sites like this. It seems like this idea is ‘oh, if we just act like good little boys and girls, the people in power will concede to our demands.’ Black bloc is not the most effective way to force social change. It didn’t work pre-Genoa and it probably won’t work now. So fine, lets find a new strategy. But recycling this garbage that failed forty years ago? Come on.
GreenGlass Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
“RIP THOSE MASKS OFF AND RESTRAIN THOSE PROVOCATEURS……HUMANLY”
Why does not anyone there do just this? The civilians could surely pool their money and hire several ‘goons’ to work on the their side, having the goons use stun guns to ‘politely request’ the black-hooded-government-sponsored-anarchist to stop their violence, and in the process, pull off their hoods, and snap a quick pic. Then hire any run of the mill hacker to search that face with all known government agents/employees, and expose, expose, expose.
Evil people may be self-serving, but they sure know how to coordinate.
April 2nd, 2009 at 7:02 am
Is this article freakin’ serious? The obvious take home message isn’t that the police “allowed” the smashing of the RBS. The message is that we live under a system that encourages people to participate “through the system” in a pacifist manner, according to the rules, with a permit, and then they will simultaneously fuck you. The only way to actually get your message across is to do it without a permit. If you have a permit, they will use that permit to lead you like a puppy and then dump you and possibly beat you. If you don’t have a permit they will also beat you (witness the violence that was deployed against the Climate Camp action). So what’s the point of getting a permit?
also, I should mention that the RBS was not a listed target. The G20 Meltdown was planning on going to the Bank of England. When it reached the Bank of England, the place was entirely airtight with police so several hundred to a thousand people went to the nearby Royal Bank of Scotland, which the police had left less protected. Police DID confront demonstrators at the RBS, but where forced to retreat after altercations with the crowd.
April 2nd, 2009 at 7:02 am
mine too. i posted it literally less than half an hour ago from the time of this post.
JC Reply:
April 5th, 2009 at 6:27 am
I don’t see any censorship going on. Stop complaining, guys. Focus on the real issues. Unless you have a goal in trying to make the comment section look bad.
April 2nd, 2009 at 8:14 am
i like alex, but i’ve participated in black bloc actions. there has never in my experience been an action undertaken at the behest of anyone but the people involved. there have been provocateurs who have been found out, sure. but that is true with any activist organization anywhere, including the most mainstream. the reason why police in this case, and in most don’t confront the bloc is that they go for the path of least resistance. remember folks, the police of today are bullies, and bullies don’t like confronting people who fight back.
the truth is most of the actions that end up occuring are not planned because the police are usually prepared for what is announced to be done. that’s why most of the time the activists are prepared themselves to altar actions.
Dr. Knowitall Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
this is flawed logic. and on top of it, if this group was indeed an actual spontaneous activist group, they suck at it really bad. becasue no one who actually wants positive change supports that kind of behvior. it has the opposite effect. it makes them crack down more. the results of the actions of groups like this reflect the intent.
ye shall know them by their fruits.
revo_red Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
It’s a tactic, not a organization, the Boston Tea Party used many of the same tactics. BOSTON TEA PARTY!!!
Look up this tactic and view it for what it is… a tool
April 2nd, 2009 at 8:43 am
It was so obvious that it was all orchestrated by a hard core yesterday (Ist). This was clear, when you saw all the press, no police when they smashed up the RBS branch. As has been stated take of the masks. Plus on the BBC, they were interviewing arriving demonstrators as few day prior, one of whom clearly stated he was and Italian Communist?
On top of this many of the CCTV cameras were off, as they were illegal, so they say. poor excuse. The G20 wanted these riots.
As David Ike has stated ‘Don’t Riot that what they want.’
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:09 am
Ever wonder why Alex Jones always has British News mixed in with American News?
Because he represents the same people who RUN BOTH countries, to them there is no difference. He also uses the bad news in Britain to further scare and use fear tactics on Americans. Remember, we fought a war to remove ourselves from British control, now we are back to taxation without representation because we have aligned ourselves with FOREIGN interests; something our founding fathers said never to do.
If you want to know who really was behind 9/11 and what interests are controlling America, please visit:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchThemWiggle
Only with knowledge, may truth rule and justice prevail.
From,
A Former US Marine
a break, please Reply:
April 6th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Quite the simplistic view- “The Joos did it.” There’s a lot more to it than that, friend, and there’s plenty of evidence to show such. Time to broaden your mind a bit.
Being fearful isn’t the issue, waking up to reality, is.
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:36 am
Seems as if someone is tryin to push,(scare) citizens into a corner just to see if they”ll come out swinging.I would think if that happened alot of out of control behavor will be put into control with all of these so called anti- rioting toys these guys have been dyin to play with.So mabey it might be good thing to remeber when to run a way to live and fight another day.
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 am
RichardC,
the masks are unfortunately necessary. the police are constantly taking video, and that’s precisely how activists end up becoming the subject of constant surveillance. the state in many instances is starting to pass laws making wearing such masks illegal. under the laws wearing a mask would make an acitivist subject to immediate arrest. as far as the political affiliation of the demonstrators, i would hope we didn’t have to pass some mccarthyite test to oppose the same thing that visitors to this site oppose. it’s sort of rich that the example of provovateured action that is given in the article is seattle because those direct actions were hugely successful. that city will never hold another wto meeting again.
Anne Reply:
April 2nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
antisceptic said: ” it’s sort of rich that the example of provovateured action that is given in the article is seattle because those direct actions were hugely successful. that city will never hold another wto meeting again.”
Boy, you will need a lot of recources if you are gonna scare every town in the world from hosting WTO meetings by your “direct actions”.
Let alone how you will manage to scare all potencial alllies away.
Any signs of you shutting the WTO down yet? Or any other government entity?
And if you did – what would you do then? Keep on smashing windows? Or smashing other prostesters maybe?
April 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 am
Alex Jones had Euro and US news here cause what happens in England will soon find its way here. You know that.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:46 am
while the black bloc isnt perfect, and it is vulnerable to certain manipulations, nothing justifies the headline “who controls the black bloc” which discredits a lot of truly fine people.
what was the ONLY group that tried to physically stop the inauguration of bush II?
which is the ONLY protest group to radically oppose government front groups like A.N.S.W.E.R.?
which is the ONLY group that has actually attacked banks?
The bit about the peacful group being denied a permit… just listen to yourselves! You plea to the government for the right to protest? And what IS your protest? Walking around with smiles on your faces handing out flowers?
Note the “peace nazis” who want to rip the masks off of our faces. Note how much they wanna do the cops work for them! In other words, non-violence towards the state, but violence towards anyone willing to actually DO something about the state. Who do THEY work for? Hmmmm?
Honestly, I do not see ANY other groups out there going toe to toe with the filth. One day, middle class people and even paleoconservatives will join us in smashing the power structure. Get off your high horse – and into the streets!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:57 am
More people need to get active. Stop Bashing The Anarchists.
I understand the point that violence by anarchists tends to look bad on TV.
People are angry. I wonder how many people leaving the comments on this page are active doing anything other than leaving comments.
I was at the protest. While I don’t agree with the anarchists on many points, they are not mainly controlled by anyone. Why do we have fight amongst our selves. The tactics of the Anarchist are no more violent than those of the founding fathers. Mobs would gather outside British command posts and pelt the British Soldiers with rocks. Remember the Boston Massacre?
There are infiltrators in any group of protesters. Look at the comments sometimes left here which are violent or racist. You can’t denounce a whole group because a few enjoy the mob mentality, more than they care about their cause. Also you cant bash a whole group because narcs infiltrate and attempt to destroy them. Every modern protest group has had to deal with it. Millitia’s deal with it, the black panthers, ghandi, constitutionalists have dealt with it, Anarchists, Communists, even Radical religious groups are infiltrated and used.
I love Jones work but I wish we could come together and stop bashing the anarchists and start debating how we can change the world for the better little by little.
Take Care
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:52 am
i was there in seattle. i worked for 3 monthes as an organizer, and the protests were in or adjacent to my neighborhood. i did not miss much.
the ‘black block’ are not anarchists, or leaderless. they are obviously fascist agents of the state.
bravo london, global revolution is the only answer to global tyranny
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I was very close to the incident where the windows of the RBS branch were broken on Wednesday having wandered up Bartholomew Lane to try and see, out of curiosity, how the protest was progressing.
Initially I was able to get up onto the junction with Threadneedle street where the crowd spread back from the Bank of England. I was straight away quite struck by the number of photographers with professional equipment that formed part of the crowd. Things seemed peaceful if a little animated, quite natural for those people who were there to protest.
There was quite soon some action from the police from the back of the crowd towards Bank tube that forced the crowd where I was standing forwards and I ended up stepping away back sideways again down the top of Bartholomew Lane. Things seemed to be calming down when there was the sound of quite loud thumping. A couple of people with hoods and black lower face coverings had started kicking against the door of RBS on the corner. Very soon they had moved down to the windows on Bartholomew Lane and broken one.
It struck me immediately as being almost theatrical in that it would have been much more natural for them to have attacked the Threadneedle Street windows that were largely still sheltered by the main body of the crowd. Their activity on Bartholomew Lane was quite obvious to the line of police at the lower end of the road only a 80 yards or so away with only a relatively thin scattering of the mainly curious like myself in between. I immediately assumed as the vandalism continued that the police would be moving in as there was little to delay them, sure enough within a minute a whole line of police horses had appeared at the bottom of the lane as if on cue.
I decided at this point to take some shelter from the inevitable advance behind some building scaffolding that ran handily down the side of the street, but nothing happened. The intermittent sounds of smashing glass continued for at least a quarter of an hour with little between the incident and the police lines, now reinforced with some riot shield and helmeted foot soldiers, other than the attendant scrum of photographers. The location, away from the main body of the crowd, making it a very convenient photo-op. The press pictures I’ve seen of this activity are quite accurate in that they show very few “demonstrators” there and simply a large scrum of photographers trying to capture the images.
I became quite amused at this point as the whole thing had a definite air of fakeness about it. So much so in fact that I wandered up and took a couple of pictures from behind the media throng myself with my mobile phone, along with some of the other curious bystanders.
Finally after 15 minutes when the RBS assault seemed to run its course, the police started a very slow and deliberate deployment up the 80 or so yards of Bartholomew Lane, no attempt at all to apprehend the perpetrators, just a preparation for further “kettling” in of the crowd. I managed to slip out just before they refused further exit, which as it turns out saved me 3 plus hours of being denied my freedom.
So make of that what you will. Initially I thought the police were displaying a cool headed caution before making their move, but as the minutes ticked away it became obvious they had no intention of making what would have been a fairly straightforward advance in an orderly fashion up the street to at least end the incident, if not actually send in some officers more aggressively to catch the perpetrators. As mentioned, there was little but a scrum of photo-journalists to stop them.
So I was interested to come across this article. From the point of view of an eyewitness this thesis would explain a number of rather incongruent things about the incident, which received a disproportionately large amount of media coverage including the front page of the BBC website. A very misleading impression being sent out not only of the demonstration as a whole but the actual rather pantomime nature of the incident itself.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Here I explain what the police are doing to protestors. The false reason they give for pushing them around is to stop crushing and any injuries.
The reason they decide to keep people penned in and also push them around is just to show dominance, they use baton waving and cracking people on the head to get them to move around. They don’t actually need to move anyone around. It’s all about forcing people to see who is in control. A side benefit to pushing and cracking people with the batons is sometimes people lash out and then that gives the police the chance to hurt people further, and then once they have made them submit via brutal cracking of the batons, they arrest them and imprison them.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Perhaps moreso than other groups, the Bloc is easily infiltrated and used by provocateurs. It also attracts some thuggish characters, (see the comments from “Inquisitor,” above); but my sense is that the majority of them (they are a small minority) are quite dedicated and sincere (and courageous actually) in their resistance to the state.
A sober, reasoned perspective cannot concur with their strategy; but most of them are not “stupid,” idiotic.” (I can understand their frustration, their sense of desperation thinking: “we’ve got to do SOMETHING.” Again, see “Inquisitor”)
As per the comments here, it seems quite obvious that many have never been to a big protest in their life. Dealing with the Blac Bloc element is more-complicated than some assume; for, in the peace/anti-globalization movement, one of the most widely-supported principles is of non-heirarchy. There’s no “boss,” no “leaders” to tell various grassroots affinity groups what they can or can’t do -precisely because the last thing we want is some new dictators taking over. We want the grassroots to speak!! The only way for the larger movement to distance itself from the Bloc is to have a movement-wide debate, whereby the vast majority of the participants confront the Bloc’rs with, “You’re not welcome to do this at OUR protest,” (or whatever). But the movement is too scattered right now to do that.
As per the smirking, self-satisfied comments from “Inquisitor,” (deriding the peaceful, non-violent, civil-disobedient protestors): your attitude is not helpful. You’re operating from a place of misplaced hatred, anger, and egotistical angst, (though I share your sense of frustration).
To those who care to back up their words with actions, I agree with Baxter that we need to use the internet as a forum to get our shit together, to help each other figure out what we’re up against. But then we need to DO something about it, in the public arena, together.
Protests are of pretty limited value these days, because of the heavy police presence. Far more effective is the concept of a general-strike: coordinated non-payment of taxes, work-stoppages, semi-private educationals, etc.
Thanks for caring; and thanks Alex for giving us an opportunity to debate.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Everyone I’ve talked to says “good job” to the so-called state-controlled anarchists who finally got off their asses and expressed their outrage at the massive theft that has been taking place rather than type-type-typing about it on the Internet. I don’t know a single person who is outraged at the protesters for busting up those banks. Of course, no one is ready to do it themselves, but isn’t that the point?
You all speak of this vast conspiracy of anarchists and globalists to take away your god-given right to hold a gun but please god, don’t let them break the bank windows. Vandals, delinquents, bums, just a bunch of criminals. Yeah, right.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:31 am
There is for sure no doubt that those who smashed the windows at the bank, was a setup from the police itself.
It is so obvious that it becomes hilarious to see the undercover police monkeys swing in the curtains.
Maybe hired provocaters for that single event, but I don’t think so. I think they have worked within the “force” for some years, as only trusted people get jobs like that.
And for sure, how come the peaceful protesters were attacked and not those curtain monkeys.
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The thing is that the NWO and all the puppets are getting more and more desperate. They are not really sure what to do. They are slowly finding out that people are really not so stupid as they think.
The thing is in reality, that those people behind the scene are not very clever and intelligent. They just have a lot of money. Since they themselfes are not that intelligent, they have the idea that every one else is more stupid than them, and do things that are so obvious.
Just like the government in China. The claim they saved the Tibetan people from the dictator H.H. Dalali Lama.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Something kept telling me that there is something very anamolous about the entire protests at the G8 summit.
It has to do with ritual programming where people are opposed on two fronts.
On one hand we have the letter G and the number 8 , and the other the black dressed people and it´s opposite.
The entire scheme reminds me of a checkboard. Wherever the G 8 people went , the protesters would follow ALBEIT IN AN OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
That tells me that the whole protesting operation had been designed to appear as one minor and not big ´coincidence´while it was a coldly calculated event.
I kept feeling I was being told not to look into any news about this until the time would come.
´The time will come´I was told ´for you to find out the truth about the G 8 summit protests´.
And now I have.
Now it´s easier for me to find out because the conspiracy version of events is being analyzed.
Note from the comment above ´a peaceful protest will drive fear into the hearts of the politicians´.
It was all appearently some kind of big stage. That´s how I see it.
April 5th, 2009 at 5:00 am
It is important to be mindful of the kind of tactics used by scared agencies (it may not always be “The Government”)(whatever that really is) to distract attention from the real issue. Thus this is a valid exercise whether this particular case is true or not. There are many documented examples from my past of even so-called “terrorist” gangs being funded by NATO “security” (oxymoron)agencies (1960s/70s)(note the age of the protesters who have the wit to challenge and unmask the agents provocateurs, be they police, FBI, CIA, NIA (?) (whatever!!)).
It is even more important not to forget why establishments of rich men (and 1 woman, may Gaia forgive her) are running scared of the simple truths:
More people are waking up to the fact every day that the communal deception thetre
bohemiantriumph Reply:
April 5th, 2009 at 5:06 am
(oops, hit submit prematurely) communal deception theatre (CDT) is a smokescreen to hide the glaringly obvious death of a culture based upon an illusion, that capital is more real than resources, land and people. It is not. So what if the entire banking system collapses? Bring it on. People are dying, starving, being poisoned, prevented from living a dignified life, being stirred to conflict, destroying the biosphere in ten thousand ways, for what? For $3 etc which do not actually exist.
April 5th, 2009 at 7:47 am
seemed to have little problem with allowing a group of violent black bloc anarchists smash up the RBS building
You fail to understand British police strategy in public order situations. They do not want to defend all property, they want to have control of an area. If they are overwhelmed, they retreat to where they can form a line of control.
They had just done this at the time you talk about, and ceded the ground that included the branch of RBS.
RBS was indeed announced as a target in advance – the RBS headquarters which saw extensive policing and batoning of peaceful protesters.
if you wear black hoods and scarves, smash up private property and provoke police, then that’s absolutely fine and you’ll be left largely untouched.
Did you see any other footage of the day? Police repeatedly charged into the crowd, batoning anyone at the front. This included a disproportionately large amount of black bloc who were, of course, near the front throwing things at police.
it was the only one in the street not boarded up
This is simply untrue. Check out footage of the crowd coming into the plaza.
the police stood back and let them do pretty much whatever they liked, which is highly suspicious within itself
Not when you understand that they were overwhelmed at this point and were trying to form solid static lines around a crowd that was growing and moving.
this particular black bloc sect are at best completely infiltrated by provocateurs who can routinely be relied upon to provide the media with violent footage
‘Infiltration’ implies being in the group under false pretences. The black bloc’s methods differ from those who don’t break things, but that doesn’t mean their motives are any less genuine.
a lot of these people are merely hired thugs
Are you really saying they are paid? There is no other meaning of the word ‘hired’. Are you saying that the only people with genuine grievance are those wouldn’t damage property? And that anyone who would damage property is in the pay of the authorities? Do you have any evidence at all for this astonishing claim about that black bloc?
It having happened a few times in the past is no indication of it being true in all cases. As the McLibel trial established, at one point London Greenpeace meetings were over 50% undercover cops and investigators. does that mean we can say half of people at all anti-capitalist meetings are infiltrators?
Certainly, the police – assisted by media fetishisation of violence – find even minor property damage useful to discredit a protest. that doesn’t mean it’s the motivation of those commiting the damage.
How about if I allege that you and anyone else who demonises black bloc is in the pay of the authorities, trying to divide a movement?
they have no idea, as the video below highlights
Wow, someone on Fox saying anti-capitalists are stupid? It must be true then.
Meanwhile, two protesters (and someone from Oxfam) were on the BBC being very articulate and specific in arguing with a British government minister.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NqCWlWhIxU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNSD_BzGjw8
April 5th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Fuck you. Police don’t need a pretext to attack ‘peaceful’ marchers. Your ridiculous article assumes a complete lack of agency on behalf of people, not to mention that it de-legitimizes what real people are actually doing by pretending that we’re hired thugs. Would you suggest that the anarchist revolt happening in Greece is the state contributing to it’s own destruction there too? or what about the anarchist influenced uprising in Oaxaca, Mexico in 2006? Are you really suggesting that people around the world don’t actually have any agency for revolt and revolution?
Why don’t you take a step back and look at how incredibly ineffective so-called peaceful protests against capitalism are and take some accountability for just how fucked up our world is.
Your video clip from FOX News- FOX fucking News of all places- stating that some people can’t say what they’re for is utter bullshit. You try explaining your political philosophy in a soundbite, or trying to explain anarchism to FOX. I’m surprised anyone would talk to them in the first place!
Have the police used provocateurs before disguised as anarchists? Yes. The video from Canada is a good example of that. Does the situation you point out in the beginning sound sketchy? Yes. But to suggest that Seattle or any other big anti-capitalist demonstrations were run by the police is insulting. Stop worrying about what the middle class TV heads who aren’t going to participate anyway think and start getting out there and making some real change. Your sectarian bullshit along ideological lines is naive and insulting.
salome Reply:
April 8th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
why all the prOfanity ?
April 8th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
I’ve suspected the “Black Bloc” for many years of being behind virtually all of the major ‘riots’ and major protests. I have even met a few of their members when they were here in my home town as we were protesting the IMF and WTO. These folks really either don’t have a clue or don’t even care about the realities that are going on! I tried to have friendly debates with some of them about what we as a people could do to solve some of these problems quickly. Their answer was “Capitalism is the problem, Communism is the solution.” I tried in vain to educate these folks that Communism has failed at every instance that it was attempted, implemented, and executed. I cited numerous historic examples of where Communism is an ABSOLUTE FAILURE of a system. It is too idealistic and relies too much on centralized planning rather than true individual participation. Their answers to those statements was summarily, ” You’re wrong! Communism, good! Capitalism, bad! ”
What we are dealing with, in concerns with the BLACK-BLOC, is the fact that these folks don’t exercise “critical-thinking” skills, and they have no idea that their brainwashing jobs were designed to keep them as ignorant, follower sheep! You can not reason with these people! They just don’t care! The only way to deal with these folks is to PEACEABLY corral them off and away from the demonstration; separating them from the rest of the peaceful demonstrators, and basically “out” them in full public view. It also helps to have more people with video recorders that are audio capable to capture the REAL story when something “breaks out”.
This is what our future is going to look like in this world, if we don’t do some intelligent things about it now! These types of criminal organizations have outlived their usefulness by now! The day may come when simply saying “no” to anyone will cost you dearly.
Dragon's Eye Reply:
April 8th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Ooops!!!
Erratum: When I said, “I’ve suspected the “Black Bloc” for many years of being behind virtually all of the major ‘riots’ and major protests.”
I meant, “I’ve suspected the “Black Bloc” for many years of being behind virtually all of the major ‘riots’ ** at ** major protests.”
I got loopy for a moment and forgot to check my post before submitting!
April 8th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
when you understand that the eurOnils love riots,
you’ll get it.
April 9th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Dragon Eye: Their answer was “Capitalism is the problem, Communism is the solution.”;
Listen, Anarchists, whether Green, Syndicalist, Anarcho-Communist, Pink, Black, w/e All Anarchists agree that all forms of hierarchy whether capitalist or communist screw the working class. Anarchism is a working class movement unlike capitalism which only socializes losses while keeping gains private. I find it disgusting that an article calls those smashing in banker’s windows as agents of the state. They didn’t hurt anyone, they didn’t destroy a mom and pop shop.. they broke the windows of one of the largest banks in London. Who do you think is leading the world wide revolution right now? Ron Paul? Although I have some respect for Dr. Paul, it is the global Anarchist movement that is leading the way for change. Look at the participatory democratic movement in South America. Look at Greece. Look at your local anti-poverty organizations. Almost all of them are anarchist. Anarchism means that you reject all forms of political, social, government, economic hierarchy and that organization needs to give everyone an equal voice.
Please educate yourselves before writing off working class anarchists as “agent provocateurs”. Anarchists are one of the primary targets of the state currently. We have numerous political prisoners in every nation. One of the first political groups to be lynched by the communists after the Bolshevik revolution, after the Communist revolution in China, were the Anarchists. Anarchists have fought the fascists in Spain when the capitalists were supporting Hitler and Mussolini.
Anarchists take up a variety of perspectives regarding social change. Some advocate peace, some advocate revolt, some advocate sabotage and property damage. Insurrectionists tend to throw a few more petrol bombs and rocks than others, but I can assure you plenty of insurrectionists are just as educated if not more so than yourself about the system. The kids in Greece turned Athens upside down faster than you could say “Give me liberty or give me death” after that 15 year old boy (WHO WAS ANARCHIST) was murdered (by the POLICE). I constantly have to read rednecks, KKK, and Neo-Nazis on this website comment about how they’re ready for revolution, but in the end they do nothing and they bitch when they see real men and women doing something. I’ve already spoken with Alex Jones and his friends about the Anarchists, and they have never had an open mind regarding Anarchist political thought as it obviously does not fit in with their conspiratorial illuminati theory. You’d rather believe a handful of Satan worshiping elites fucked the planet for the last 8,000 years instead of admitting that the entire system is the problem.