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With victory in House, health care reform moves to Senate
CNN
Sunday, Nov 8th, 2009
The House of Representatives passed a sweeping health care bill Saturday night with a tight vote of 220-215, making it the biggest expansion of health care coverage since Medicare was created more than 40 years ago.
The Affordable Health Care for America Act, or H.R. 3962, restricts insurance companies from denying coverage to anyone with a pre-existing condition or charging higher premiums based on gender or medical history. It also provides federal subsidies to those who cannot afford it and guarantees coverage for 96 percent of Americans, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
However, turning the bill into law remains uncertain.
The bill barely squeaked by in the Democrat-controlled House, with just one Republican voting for it — first-time lawmaker Joseph Cao who holds a seat in predominantly Democratic New Orleans.
One hundred and seventy-six Republicans opposed it, as did 39 Democrats.
The Senate must now pass its own version of the health care legislation.
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:28 am
watch this short film about predictive programing, the lies in t.v and movies and how the lines of reality are bluried to brainwash people, chemtrails-h1n1-911-aliens-wizard of oz, must see it- the human revolution- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq9JcAzrJdM
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Bray Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 9:59 am
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
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Bobsty Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I agree with keeping goverment out of our lives but I live in canada and healthcare Rocks!!!!! I mean western medicene sucks so I pay for alternitive medicine but when you need stiches and you can just walk in to any hospital and get stiched up for free that is a good thing or if your wife is pregnant and you can have a baby for free thats a good thing. dont fight healthcare it is good I hear the media and other outlets talk about how we Canadians hate healtcare well that is a lie we recently voted Tommy Douglus the best Canadian for giving us healthcare.
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bob boblaw Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
the premise of having affordable health care for all is a noble one. of course, we’d all want everyone to not have to worry it, but you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of messed up things that are being passed under the guise of health care reform that would not be able to get approved of otherwise. and they’re being really sneaky about it (as always).
Nmeofstate Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Oh, ok, I will take the word of someone who cannot even spell stitches correctly, and believe that the majority in Canada Love universal healthcare.
Bray Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9jpfwkXQ9E
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Colonel X Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Let’s see now. The Gov’mint has taken over the banks. The Gov’mint has taken over the car companies. The Gov’mint has taken over, The Gov’mint has taken over, The Gov’mint has taken over, The Gov’mint has taken over, The Gov’mint has taken over, The Gov’mint has taken over, The Gov’mint has taken over.And now The Gov’mint has taken over YOUR HEALTH CARE.
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Beavis Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Yea rite on dude, in both our books…………..that is Communism.
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Bray Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
And Communism is Jewish.
November 8th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Okay lemme get this straight now.
1.8 MILLION protesters and it STILL passes!
What does this tell you people?
YOUR government IS NOT LISTENING TO YOU ANYMORE.
AND THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE HAVE THE INALIENABLE RIGHT TO THROW THEM THE HELL OUT OF WASHINGTON.
WITH FORCE IF NECESSARY!
But let’s just rollover like a little timid puppy and let them gut us somemore, while they tell us they are merely “rubbing our belly”… shall we?
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
The people no longer care about what happens to them, so they WILL roll over. The public is, and will remain, awash in political party brand loyalty. Loyal Democrats will be listening to their NPR’s “All Things Considered” with glee, celebrating the victory of their party over the mean, nasty, terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad Republicans. The two-party battle will continue because that is what Americans WANT. The American Democrat does not CARE if the government no longer listens to people, just as long as the people being ignored are Republicans. Loyal Republicans will continue going to church on Sunday and occupying themselves with what Pastor Bob says, regardless of whether it’s actually taught in the Bible or not. They don’t want to be bothered by anything political, unless that something political happens to correspond to what is traditionally ascribed to Republicans. Loyal Republicans will be watching their FOX News with glee, yelling and screaming and carrying on about the next terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad thing them mean ol’ Democrats did now. The reason nothing will change is because neither side WANTS change. We all know Ron Paul will probably run in 2012 and will more than likely be blacked-out by the media AGAIN (that is, if there IS an election in 2012). The reason our government doesn’t listen to the people is that the people aren’t doing enough to get its attention. The people think that protest tactics which were effective in the 60’s will somehow work again, seemingly unaware that the 60’s no longer exist. There may very well be no hope left for revolutionary change in this country. The people simply no longer care and don’t want to bothered with liberty and individual rights.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
So f-*-en right on it aint even funny Ben!
Right on!
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jm Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
which is why the a third party ticket must win. if not in 2012, then in 2016, or 2020, or 2024, and if not, well I guess people will never learn.
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XGI Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:29 am
Well said Ben! Sad, but true..
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Nmeofstate Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:31 am
I agree on everything except the protest part. The 60’s idea worked well, and could work again.
The problem is that people today do not have the passion and conviction to do anything about it. The turnouts today in comparison to the 60’s is a joke.
In the 60’s, the gov was surrounded on all fronts. Hell, there was even protesting in mainstream music.
wtf, it really doesn’t matter anymore (actually it does) the best thing one in the know can do is stay prepared, this is not necessarily the means to an end for the u.s. but it will be an end for a way of life and “heritage “for many that are old enough to remember the supposed good old days.
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bob boblaw Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
it still needs to get passed the senate, and from here it doesn’t look like it has a good chance. i did get that last part from the yahoo homepage, so who knows.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:36 am
also very cool one here about what happening dolar collapse and much more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUY7dl7X_vo
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Tilly Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Again another good video. A lot of hearts will be sinking…….
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Is Nancy on Facebook?
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Nancy Mafia Queen pelosi Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 9:55 am
She tried, but the Facebook filter wouldn’t accept her botoxed up face.
There is, however, an empty space where her pic should be that reads…”No Image Available”
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Mama J Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:34 am
LMAO!
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
God, her face could kill Jason Voorhees!!! Joan Rivers, eat your heart out!
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shocked and awed Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Could we pass the hat and buy the bitch some shampoo?
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RockLibertyWarrior Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
My nick name for her is Botox Bitch, boy that pisses off people when I won’t call her Nancy. She fucking scares the hell out of me, those wide ass crazy eyes. Fuck that bank controlled, military medical industrial complex cunt tool. May her, her demoncrats and fellow re-pube-licans colleagues burn in hell.
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bob boblaw Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
nancy pelosi makes her acting debut! she comes in at the 10 second mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBY6pF42I-c
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b Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
classic
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:48 am
recall every one they are all corrupt ,, they only do what is in there best interest, not are throw them the h-ll out, by force jail them all for the crimes they have done, they dont listen to us.we have to STOP THEM FOR ARE KIDS SACK<<<REMOVE THEM ALL<<<WERE TIRED OF THERE CORRUPTION . what are you people going to do let your kids pay for this.not a d-m one of you will you all are letting them screw all of us.
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Bray Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9jpfwkXQ9E
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Buy a large ocean going vessel Michael???
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Mark my words! Bullets will soon fly and America will be in ruins! UN Troops will fill the streets and the American people will win! Big government can suck the shit out of my ass! Look what one guy did in Fort Hood! Imagine that on a 50 million citizen scale! WE WILL WIN! Fuck the FEMA Camps, fuck the rules! WE WILL WIN! LOCK AND LOAD! GOD DAMNITT! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AMERICA! I WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH FOR MY FREEDOM AND LIBERTY! I WILL PROTECT MY LIFE AND MY PROPERTY! I WILL DEFEND MY CONSTITUTION AND MY NEIGHBORS! BUT I WILL NOT FIRE FIRST…. Tyranny only listens to violence and that’s what they will get if they keep ignoring the people! Non-Compliance is the way to get your country back! Just say NO!
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Not going to happen. The American people, as I stated above, no longer care about being free. They want what they want, and they want it five minutes ago. They want things, entertainment, and sex. Democrats will not take up arms because they are overwhelmingly, and gleefully, anti-gun. Republicans will not take up arms because even though most of them ARE overwhelmingly, and gleefully, PRO-gun, they go to church like good conshmervatives and obey Pastor Bob when he says that good Christians must unquestioningly obey the government and all civil authority because they are “ordained by God”. In other words, people from both parties will continue to vilify and hurl insults at each other because they LIKE having something or someone to HATE. The people will NOT unite because they do not enjoy the thought of uniting with someone from “that OTHER party” and will avoid them like a case of leprosy. NPR (liberal) and FOX News (conservative) are their respective media instruments for fomenting widespread disdain between the parties, and neither side seems to EVER wish to debate issues with civility and objectivity. Bullets will NOT soon fly, except when they come from the militarized police forces. The American people WANT it that way, and will not change this until it personally inconveniences THEM. Selfishness and isolation are the order of the day for the American people. Unity, be damned.
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Ronda Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
How I wish you were wrong. I fear you are right.
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RockLibertyWarrior Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Ben, you maybe right about the time period were in now but no civilization has survived empire or giant government growth, ever. Look at ancient Rome, Persia, Sumeria, Egypt etc. I could go on and on. The system will collapse of its own weight and in it’s place will be anarchy. While I agree with you on your points, your only looking at the situation in a ten year period stand point, the global empire will come crashing down but it won’t be because of the people, it will be sure force of common natural and rational law. We’re out of money completely and utterly, we have no economy left. That is what has happened to every civilization, the Roman bankers and the government (they were the first new world order) got too greedy and imperialistic, over stretched themselves and folded. That is what is going to happen to us sadly enough, maybe in the near future.
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the truth Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
You should stop being so negative and help spread the truth instead of helping the new world orders agenda by spreading their propaganda that it is inevitable, so there is no use in resisting. The American people WILL wake up eventually and it is happening right now thanks to truth seekers and patriots like all the people posting videos on the internet and people like alex jones and his video fall of the republic. Why not crush this left right paradigm that you seem to dislike by burning dvds of fall of the republic and give to as many people as you can. Be creative and do something everyday to inform people of how both parties are owned and controlled by the same people. More and more people are getting increasingly frustrated with their political party for good reasons and it is easier now then ever to wake people up. I personally think the swine flu scam is the easiest of their scams to expose so you might want to start by explaining the dangers of the vaccine to family and friends like its ingredients: mercury, formaldahyde, sqalene, diseased monkey pancreas in some and aborted fetus in others. Get an insert of the vaccine it states that companies ingredients and clearly states the side effects and health implications like neuralogical disorders, convulsions, nightmares, and death. Be sure to not just show the link with how the gov’t and the drug companies stand to make billions in the US alone, but the link between the drug companies, the Rockefeller family, the WHO, and their eugenics program and contributions in WW2. This will undoubtedly get anyones blood boiling and should inspire them to do their own research and like the saying goes just follow the money trail and ask yourself who will benefit from this. All the crazy things in the world that made no sense will suddenly make sense. After dropping this bomb on them make sure to explain how the federal reserve operates and how there is a bill to audit the fed by Ron Paul and encourage them to contact their senators and congressmen about it. Then explain the cap and trade carbon tax that is going to be voted on in about 30 days and discuss ideas and ways to protest this. I encourage you to think outside of the box. 1.8 million protesters is not good enough we need to do something that will grab the nations attention, some kind of stunt for the news cameras and media like Abbie Hoffman did back in the 60’s when he famously dropped dollar bills on the New York Stock Exchange, and his “levitating” the pentagon. protests were more effective in the 60’s because they were more creative and attention grabbing. At the next big protest someone needs to do something that is to big to ignore and gets every news agency talking about it. C’mon people if we want to have a successful revolution we need to wake up the masses first and everyone needs to start doing their part today.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
So f-*-en right on it aint even funny!
Right on!
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
wrong post sorry…lol
Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
So f-*ck-en right on it aint even funny!
Right on!!!
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Bray Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9jpfwkXQ9E
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Rick Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Relax
Economy-Fixed
Social Security-Fixed
Medicare-Fixed
Health Care-Fixed
Green World-On the way
Obama will Fix it all.
Just depends on wat you call Fixed
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Dude…
America definitely has its problems, no national health care is one of them. This is where the government is getting it right. “Provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare.” – This does both. Medicine should not be a business.
I wore that uniform for a lot of years and it is about damn time this happened. Screw the national debt. We owe no one nothing. They couldn’t collect by force anyway.
If we crash our dollar, we will isolate. See how the world gets on without us.
They won’t.
Good Luck, and May Your Dow Never Jones!
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shocked and awed Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:04 am
If you aren’t a government shill you SHOULD be. Medicine shouldn’t be a business? Fine. Now it will be some sort of business/governmental hybrid nightmare. Hell of an improvement there Uncle Sam. Just for laughs, give us ONE example where the government IMPROVED a service. ………we’re waiting………
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Biker Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Hey Shocked,
You will be waiting a long time my friend. Like forever. Good luck in the coming turmoil…. Biker
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Bray Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9jpfwkXQ9E
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Here’s a couple of examples of government programs that work you dumb hillbillies:
-The Interstate Highway Program
-The Rural Electrification Program
-The FDIC
-The GI Bill
-NASA
There’s 5…and you didn’t have to wait long at all.
Dumbass
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Cheaper than weed Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:16 am
NASA is a failure, and a front for lying about weapons development. The GI Bill is in shambles. The FDIC? Are you fucking kidding me? They duck and run when people want their “money.”
Your first two programs have merit, though their successes are mostly due to State initiavies.
WRONG ANSWER!
Even if you are correct, that means five fucking programs. LOL
Here is a short list of massive failures:
Social Security (oxymoron)
Medicare, especially the Big Pharma drug America program
Medicaid
Any public housing program
Busing
Any education program
Welfare
Stumpy Stinkum Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:23 am
This is the same government that couldn’t run a cash for clunker’s program…and we want to put it in charge of 1/7th of our economy?
Since when do we go to the government to make something more effecient???
If you’re reading this – you are the resistance…
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pitofdoom Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Uncle Sam, I generally agree but,
seeking affordable health care should not be a bankrupting exit strategy.
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RockLibertyWarrior Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Uncle Sam, that General Welfare clause has been stretched and broken so many times to enforce economic tyranny on the populace. It has been used for a variety of government enroachments on freedom and our rights. In fact the founders debated wording it that way, but figured that we would be smart enough to know what it meant, it actually meant providing easier trade between the states and making sure the country was protected from foreign invaders, this clause doesn’t mean giving hand outs to everybody and using the Fed as a pig trough. Go look it up that is the original meaning of the general welfare clause. In the Bill of Rights it states that anything not outlined in them are reserved for the states and individuals respectively. So if my state Oregon wanted a state government take over of medical care then it would be constitutional but if the Federal Government wants to do it, it is unconstitutional. I could go on and on but you should know your constitution buddy and the history behind it, and the other side of the debate I don’t want to get into because that in itself is a whole can of worms. Leave you with two questions though: Why is it after medicare was passed that medical prices skyrocketed? When government got in the health business that charges went through the roof?
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:59 am
How many Americans will stay, lets be real you face jail, let alone the hefty fines if you don’t pay this new tax. Then we still have #44 who’s going to sign the treaty in December that will be the last nail in the coffin. Can you say, later dude.
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:59 am
A real victory this is not, but then again freedom is slavery and democracy is fascism so what we have here is a group of ganster criminals fixing the game to appear as if they won when in fact they did no such thing.
What a joke this is.
There is a danger from their actions, but if I have learned anything is that for every evil and corrupt action there is an equal moral and decent action that will come back to haunt them.
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pitofdoom Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am
From OWO calamity into NWO catastrophe masked a Freedom
but in reality it’s generational usury debt slavery unto caesar!!
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Prepare the ropes people, it will be very “Green” to help save the planet if we lynch them instead of using firing squads and seven riflemen all lined up like the pyramids spewing hot lead into the worthless scum receiving real justice.
Help save the planet. Kill and evil elite NWO scum bag with ropes and do it today. Our planet depends on it.
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
As I said in other posts, that will not happen. The American Sheep Nation is a horde of WIMPY WIMPS, an emasculated hive of good loyal Democrats and Republicans who will continue to tow their respective party lines, even though most of them don’t have a clue in tarnation why they tow those lines. Most of them don’t even know the respective platforms of their parties, and don’t care either way. Neither party will commit to anything revolutionary because both parties, in their unique ways, LOVE government and will simply seek to change the parties in power like the changing of deck chairs on the Titanic. The very small minority of Libertarians and true lovers of liberty will not be able to accomplish revolution because they are the victims of constant media black-outs and impossible-to-meet election requirements, designed, of course, to keep them out of electoral polls and debates. The other problem is that the people are too NICE to their government and will not do anything that may put them at risk of things like loosing their jobs, families, and property or going to prison. This niceness is a kind of political co-dependency, a way of flipping off the government with one hand while taking what it gives them with the other. Revolution will not happen because the American Sheep Nation is made up of hopelessly spineless WIMPS.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
~This niceness is a kind of political co-dependency~
It is a form of Stockholm Syndrome…yes.
LMFAO!
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Bray Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9jpfwkXQ9E
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:07 am
you must watch this short film about police brutality and the people waking up to it very power will make you angry and awake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx6tTH4RQfA
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:13 am
h1n1 and the media lieing b.s must see this , shows people who have taken shots and test of mec on the brain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gLTkw_PtWg
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Now many outcomes are predicted like the one Alex is talking about but this does not mean this will happen. There are many forces battling around us that most of us do not know about right now, but this is about to end. Collective ignorance is about to end and the dark cabal does not want it to end.
For those to ignorant or blinded by what you call television, there are visitors in big numbers amongs’t us and these visitors from other places than earth are here to exploit earths natural ressorces. This is what it is all about, the war in Iraq, soon in Iran if the war lords have it there way???? But there are other agenda’s that are not as crual as they might seem.
Read and acquire knowledge this is what will free you all, not war and terror like they are doing.
http://www.alliesofhumanity.or.....manity.php
Peace to all good beings on earth who are moving towards consciousness and knowledge
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Have you not ever asked the following question for who the NWO is working for?
Those of you who beleive the New world order are the true rulers of the planet better think twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are the servants of more advanced beings who control them. and the chain just falls down to us who serve the NWO.
Even though they appear powerful to the many, they are no match to the beings that control them.
Now think about this open your minds and get out of the box you are all now held in.
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Cheaper than weed Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Try not to end your sentence with a preposition, if you know what that means.
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Notice that despite polls showing 60+% opposition to the Healthcare Bill, congress passed it anyway. Notice that despite polls showing 70+% opposition to the Cap and Trade bill, congress passed it anyway. Notice that despite polls showing 90+% opposition to the banker bail out, congress passed it anyway. Notice that congress doesn’t care what the american people think anymore. They know full well they are gone if the 2010 elections happen, but what if those elections were never meant to happen?
What if, right after the first of the year the Mutated H1N1 virus from the Ukraine makes it to America, and what if they enforce a pandemic martial law, and what if they decide it’s as good a time as any to devalue the dollar and instituite a bank holiday, and what if that Martial law was extended, and extended past the November elections, and what if they just decided the easiest thing was to wait till 2012 for the next set of elections, after all we’re in an emergency here!
What if this Republican Democracy was all just a sham? What if the reason congress is no longer listening to the people is because they know there will be no consequences? If they knew that it would be the perfect time to shove through a hugely unpopular agenda, wouldn’t it? What if the Senate doesn’t go along with this charade? What if they stand up and say, no, the will of the people is we don’t pass this agenda item? Martial law would also take care of that as well, the president could instituite any laws he wants during martial law, including Healthcare Reform and Cap and Trade. What if…
Northcom is currently recalling a number of troops from Europe and taking operational control of all American bases, bringing the number of soldiers under Northcom command up to 400,000…think that’s a coincidence?
What if…
If you’re reading this – you are the resistance…
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
The Senate WILL go along, because both the House and the Senate are bought and paid for by Israel, and they are blackmailed against opposing Israel. Americans may oppose this and oppose that all they want, but the reason the government is no longer listening is because it knows that all the people will ever do to “oppose” them is to hold up signs and shout and scream and….that’s IT. The problem is that the people are TOO PEACEFUL. They believe that the sorts of protest actions that worked in the “Summer of Love” are somehow still effective even though they know, in their heart of hearts, that it isn’t. The Sheep Nation has a self-inflicted narcolepsy which keeps them from getting truly IRATE and ready to kick ass and take names. I have to laugh when someone says that 100% of the fault for what is going on lay with the government. Shit, the people just stand there with signs looking stupid and don’t go anywhere beyond that, so what in blue hell do they expect? Peaceful protest USED to be effective, but the government is no longer threatened by such displays. If the people don’t change their tactics to those that get the job done and start getting militant, then absolutely nothing will change for the better.
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anon Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
If people study real US history and not the lies told in public schools and universities, one will see that congress NEVER listened to the people in the entire history of the US or any government or anyone in power in any heirarchical institution.
Anyone in power by definition is corrupt and never do the will of the people. All heirarchical institutions are only there to exploit and lie and cheat and manipulate and never there for the good of the people.
Only organizations which share power equally have any chance of doing the will of the people and representative democracy is nothing more than a power grab designed to exploit.
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I’m for a single payer system like Canada has. What Congress has done is just a huge give away to the ineficient system of “for profit insurance compnies. We pay roughly twice as much per capita as most countries the have universal care. I’ve watched how our simple mined public has again been snookered into supporting the cause of a system that is against their own interests. It’s just another kick in the groin to American citizens. This bill is just another insult to heap upon all the other insults we’ve had to endure. Congress and the President should be ashamed of themselves.
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anon Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Amen! We have the worst quality of healthcare in the western world, while paying the most by a factor of 2 or more.
Geez – another success of the private enterprise and “free market capitalism” or more precisely, “free market barbarianism”
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RockLibertyWarrior Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Billo you mean the Canadian medical system where my cousin fell from a tree, broke her arm and had to wait 8 fucking hours to see a damn doctor! You mean that fucking piece of shit medical system? She was screaming in pain and they didn’t give a god damn good shit either. Oh by the way my friend died of cancer up there waiting for chemo, she was on a waiting list to get treated for 3 fucking years not only that when she tried looking for alternatives they used the authorities anyway they could to stop her. All socialized single payer medical is a load of shit because I have seen it first hand. Enjoy your medical system and buy a casket to go along with it.
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Billo Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I damn near cut two of my fingers off at work and had to sit their 4 hours before they got around to sewing them back on. And that’s here in the States. It wasn’t fun sitting their watching my blood spurt out. I have health insurance I pay for out of my own pocket and it pays for vitually nothing until I’m practically dead. Yes I would take their system over ours.
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Lock N Load.
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:51 am
So… does this mean I won’t have to pay more because I use tobbacco?
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:57 am
There is no more that can be done in the states, its like the titanic hit the iceburg and is sinking fast and instead of getting in the lifeboats yall are bitchin at each other, the ship is not coming back up people. margarita island is full of opportunity cheapest cost of living in the world, 4 cent a gallon gas free health care no taxes, no hurricanes, all food is organic by law. for more info check out http://www.escapethestates.com I have plenty of references from people I have moved down here, jump on the underground railraod and find out what it is like to live in a country that has alot more freedom then the united states. Put your money in a different currency and get out with it and dont look back. soon the dollar will be worth nothing, then you are stuck like a turd in the toilet. thanks for listening, if you need help contact me, My wife and I have plenty of knowledge about living here on margarita island we moved here 3 years ago with 3 small children and 3 dogs. We had to get our kids away from the toxic foods and environment. We can help you escape the states no matter what situation you are in,
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shocked and awed Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
You spamming asswipe- if things are so goddam good then spring for a REAL ad. I’m getting sick and tired of reading your shitty copy, anyone with two braincells to rub together wouldn’t give you the time of day. Rot in Venezuela you stinking turd.
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
shocked and awed SIR,
Please a moment from your hate speech. I want you to take 5 deep breaths and hold them. Now excel slowly so that you can get in touch with your inner self.
Now my mentor Nancy Pelosi has passed her Healthcare Bill fair and square. It is for the good of all disinfrancised people who cannot afford to see doctors. Please examine your inner feelings and void yourself of hatred and prejudice. Do not view this as a defeat for your own greedy monetary ambitons but consider the moral rewards of social justice gratification. You wil feel better if you realize that the imperialistic capatilistic nature of America is a flawed system, an it is time for change.
Newborn babies may want to be aborted rather than to be brought into this hateful world that people like you have created. They are however to young to make this decision. It is only appropriate that ir they be likely to be born into a cruel and unfair capitialistic nation someone in HHS OR WHO should certanly interecede and spare than the pain of life in an unfair world, where all children do not have equal opportunites. Think about the children born in 3rd world countries who are forced to accept birth and life against their better judgement. American babies will be priviledged under the New Health Care Enhancement bill so be relieved of their burderns by lessening the excess popuation. If they be likely to die in a world of unfair advantages than they should be mercifuly aborted decrease the surplus population so that all disinfranchised children may have a brighter future. This is Kool Preisident Obama’s big picture. Do not focus on the little things, but try to focus on the big picture.
Now I am sure that many of you Besauaw Captalists will not understand what Health Care Reform is really about, and will blast me with hate speech, but I am here to educate you and help you along the path of CHANGE,
Sincerely,
Lucy Lib, Obama chairperson for a nation for Change
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Cheaper than weed Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Stick the fucking health care bill up your festering ass, cunt!
November 8th, 2009 at 11:20 am
More like a stumble off the short bus without a helmet!
For something this Govt. expansive and expensive 220 Vs 215
sure looks more like “We the people” got thrown under the bus!!
All seek affordable health care but not as a bankrupting exit strategy.
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November 8th, 2009 at 11:45 am
come on San Francisco get that old ragg pelosi out she is more damaging to our country than a standing army Vote that ignorant rich bitch out of office please!
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
You sir will be transported to the nearest Camp Obama reeducation camp and be confined to the Happy Box until your attitude has changed.
CA Girl.
Obama camp of proper thought and modification inducement center.
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November 8th, 2009 at 11:55 am
This paranoia is laughable. 10 years from now, when we have a much higher standard uf living and coverae for the 47 million currently uninsure, you people will have yoke on your faces.
The government has the authority to decide these things and it is our job to obey. Some of you peope are treading on thin ice with your anti government propaganda.
In 2010 and 2012–you have a choice. You either vote for the republican or the democrat and dedide your own fate. You don’t go around taling about using force to change things nor about prooting radicals like Ron Paul.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
And you are???
STFU you government shill.
I’ll go around talking about whatever the fuck I want to talk about and guess what shit for brains?
There isn’t a God Damned thing you or anyone else can do about it.
Now then, eat the cotton panel out of my smelly undies honey, but only after I defectae in them, okay?
Dig deep with your teeth, you may find a peanut or two.
Oh drat, on second thought, just go fuck yourself.
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the cleaner Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
lol. Lock N load
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Blah-blah-blah is actually a perfect handle for you because that seems to be all that is emanating from your uninformed pie-hole. The job of the people is to rigorously question and challenge their government, not to mindlessly obey. Yes, blah-blah-blah, you truly are a government shill because shills do what their government tells them to do, and mindlessly in your case. Oh, and may I so inquire as to what in blue hell makes Ron Paul a “radical”? Is is because he advocates things that are just too much for your NPR-lovin’ ears to handle? The fact that you would tell people to vote for the Democrat or the Republican tells me one very apparent fact: you don’t care WHO gets in, just as long as they maintain a society of obedient drone ants. GET…..A…..LIFE.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Ha!
You said EXACTLY what I was thinking.
Thank you for having my back.
And I mean that in “patriot” kind of way….LOL
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the truth Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Well put Ben, you skooled that robot drone. Blaaa blaaa baaa, you need to be deprogrammed. Do you believe everything the media and your government tells you? The amount of lies our government has told is staggering. It is a fact that President Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us to go to war with Vietnam. You believed Cheney when he said Iraq and Al Qaida were responsible for 9/11. Then you believed Bush when he said he never made a connection with Iraq and 9/11. Even after that you believed Bush when he said Iraq had WMD’s. I bet you believe that the US doesn’t torture either.
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shocked and awed Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Hey blah blah- take some grammer lessons you Israeli shill, your writing stinks of English as a second language. I’m surprized you didn’t throw in an ‘oi vey’ or two while you were at it. Asshole piece of shit.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Same goes for you as the above comment to Ben Steinke.
Thank you gents for putting this clown in line.
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RockLibertyWarrior Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Blah, fucking learn how to spell you fucking jackass, robotic shill. Your wasting space that could be used to inform, instead your just spewing shit from your keyboard. Go to hell you little prick.
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Sir oh sir,
Mr Blah Blah Blah, I would like to thank you for correcting some of the damaging individual thought and hate speech which occurs on the web site occasionally. Some of these gator aid hater drinkers just don’t understand they must obey the Messiah Obama and the wise judgement of our leaders under Dr. Nancy Peeosi.
All newspapers should be combined into one USA Today paper to unify the thought process of theis nation as many of the sheep have strayed from their masters.
I watch MSNBC for all my information and I am sure they will sort out this Health Care Reform misunderstanding tomorrow. It is a budget reducing messure and will not increase taxes on you greedy rich people. KooL President Obama said so. Dont you people listen to your own duly elected president. You all could be charged with treason and sent to the Goolog for life.
CA GIRL
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Cheaper than weed Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Taste the end of my gun, you fucking cunt.
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
This country needs more good patriots like Pelosi, Reid and Obama to stand up to George Bush and the evil republicans.
Health care by the government is called for in the constiution where it states quite clearly the entire constutition is for the “welfare of the people”.
All arguments against it are right-wing nazi terrorist inspired bullsh*t from the radical right wing religious right.
They should have included free abortions too but they can clean that up after it passes into law and hopefully whoever is in charge will change the administration to include free abortions a year from now.
If you smoke, drink or are overweight then you had better get started changing your ways and conforming to what is required of you as a free citizen receiving free healthcare.
If you have to pay a premium for insurance then it is because you can afford it as per the government’s authority to bill it to you, so stop complaining and just pay the bill when it comes to you.
This is a great day of freedom finally and a triump of democracy for all the world.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
You sound like the same government shill I just reamed a new ass.
See my above comment, it aplies to you too.
Since you are the same troll spammer.
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Sheila Murphy Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
ha ha ha!
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Godfrey Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Agreed. We have a right to everything. A Victoria Secret model wife and million dollar annual salary.
Everything should be free.
… and we should all also have a right to magical powers.
Also… farts should smell like perfume!
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Umm…
I don’t know how that comment is meant right off hand.
If it’s meant in a good way, then fine, hi!
If it is sarcastic as hell, and since I don’t know you and am relatively new here, then by all means, you can go fuck yourself right along with blah blah blah.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I mean to say go fuck yourself in a good way you know? LOL
I don’t know you so I really don’t know exactly “what” you represent.
My earlier comment still stands.
There is a war on, and not just overseas, and I don’t trust nobody.
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Amen, Flamingo!!! Mein Gott in Himmel, these shills are working double-overtime. Well, shilling pays better than working at McDonald’s or Burger King. And, calling people like Obama, Reid, and Nazi Pelooser “patriots” is like calling Roseanne Arnold, Amy Winehouse, and Joan Rivers “models”. FP….GET…..A…..LIFE. Thank you, you may GO.
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the truth Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
There is nothing patriotic about the government deciding who can and can’t get the medicine they need to live and how much they will pay for it. Obama is a LIAR you robot. There is nothing patriotic about warrant less wiretapping, destroying our sovereignty, and killing innocent civilians and displacing families in the name of democracy. I do however agree with you that those evil doers Bush and Cheney need to be imprisoned and tried for treason but for some reason, your master Obama, who taught the constitution, doesn’t think that would be productive. Thats because the democrats and republicans in reality are on the same team they just use a divide and conquer tactic with the two party system that you have fallen right into like a good robot.
-”Health care by the government is called for in the constitution where it states quite clearly the entire constutition is for the “welfare of the people”. ”
Wow, what a bunch of nonsense. If the founding fathers wanted universal healthcare it would have been put in the constitution. Yes, the constitution was written for the “welfare of the people” meaning for the common good of the people. To say that is a call for universal health care is a quantum leap of logic. Then yo go on to say
-”All arguments against it are right-wing nazi terrorist inspired bullsh*t from the radical right wing religious right.”
Really, you have any evidence to back that up? Seen as we currently don’t have universal healthcare are we all nazi terrorists? What exactly is nazi about an argument for smaller and less powerful and intrusive government? I would have to say the nazi’s would be for government run health care. In fact I think they did have one, it was called euthanasia. As for everyone against it being from the right wing religious right, Im not religious at all, so once again you are wrong.
-”They should have included free abortions too but they can clean that up after it passes into law and hopefully whoever is in charge will change the administration to include free abortions a year from now.”
Well you will be happy to hear then that this is their plan and it will most likely happen. I think it is just sad your mom didn’t abort your dumb ass. You are a conformist drone just spitting out lines from your mind controller, conditioning you to believe mass murder is okay. This is a devastating blow to democracy and our country, we do not have to comply with unconstitutional laws. Remember the states have as much authority as the federal government, so the people need to demand their goveners declare this law illegal and tell the judges and police not to enforce it. Lets shoot for all 50 states.
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
SIR, Mr. LP,
I agree with you and as I have observed, there are many bloggers on this web site who do share my views. Thank you. As you can see I am at 100% accuracy in opinions today as not a single person has disagreed with me.. I must finally be deradiclizing the right wing conspiratorists.
Proud of my work
CA GIRL
OBAMA CAMP OF NWO JOURNALIZM
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
The IRS will become your death care “desider” and “massive”
Govt. bureaucracies shall be whom ye shall fight for your lives!!
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
So if this Healtcare Farce passes then it will basically mean the end of the American Family. It will be a pretext to ‘investigate’ all who question interference in their famly matters…
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
MR Happy,
You do not sound happy. Besides what is wrong with Change? Many brilliant voters in the New England area have voted for Kool President Obama. They are the best educated people in America, and we should heed their lead. So Mr Happy get use to change. There is much more to come. Pretend as though it is your first day away at summer camp and you miss home. After a few months you will enjoy the camp and the exciting changes and adventures your Camp Director has planned for you. Be possitinve Mr. Happy or you may not use that name for posting, It certainly is not proper and polite.
marin county girl
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Cheaper than weed Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Slit your throat.
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s Liberty Teeth and keystone under INDEPENDENCE … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to INSURE peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good” (George Washington)
the Founding Fathers put the Insurance into your “Health” and prosperity.
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a Rebellion…. And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time…”
Thomas Jefferson – Founding Father of US CONSTITUTION
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Another disloyal citizen. This country should be given to our guest immigrant workers and Holy Islamic People. Americans have become so rude and hateful, they act like they own the place.
Liberated in CA
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo
Libertarianism Vs. Repugs & Dems
What we give up on is a tyrannical (government) approach to solving a social medical problem and we endorse the idea of volunteerism, and self responsibility, Family, Friends and Churches to solve problems
Part of the problem here is the dumbest people and those who are illegals are voting in these idiots who Trample on the Constitution because to them its just a “G-d Damn Piece of Paper…”
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Is is too much to ask that a politician just not come forth and tell the American people that they are slaves to the NWO crowd? That we are under control of the UN? That WHO mandates our healthcare now and decides if we all get flu shots. WHO changed the definition of a “pandemic” to incorporate any flu. But the politics are the same, we have no rights.
Google:
Bell Tolling for the Swine Flu (campanas por la gripe a)
USA soldiers are already wearing shoulder patches with the North American Union logo. View this on 5th Army website, home of US army North, USARNORTH.
Obama is taking our sovereignty away behind closed doors.
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
not true mr cooper.. NOT NOT NOT.
SEARGAMT LUCY,
CAMP OBAMA SECURITY
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
So, if Nancy says I can get new teeth, I’ll be able to?
But if not, then what?
Will she share hers with me?
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shocked and awed Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Are you crazy??? Do you know where those things have been?!?!
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Sheila Murphy Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I hate to venture a guess.
Tip O’Neill’s asshole?
LOL
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
One thing is for sure, NOTHING could possibly be worse than the way the “private” health care industry run by unmonitored insurance CRIMINALS has been in the USA up til this point. Not many of you here have obviously ever spent any time waiting in a line at some pathetic excuse of a hospital that caters to “the poor” who cannot AFFORD the private health insurance plan. If you did, then you would NOT be protesting this at all. The health care system in this country has been nothing but a pathetic DISGRACE, while basically EVERYONE I have ever met from Europe had full heathcare coverage JUST FOR BEING A CITIZEN AND A HUMAN BEING !!!! So, if you were a street musician or poet who didn’t work a regular job, then you still had the same insurance coverage that joe working citizen has. To me, that’s just the sign of a classy, advanced system that is actually more sympathetic and fair-minded than the shrewd capitalistic atrocity we have had up until now! This is a GREAT day in USA history in my opinion!
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
I got a pig out back in the barn.
One day, I tried to dress her up and I even put lots of my favorite shade of lipstick on her.
I was so happy at what I had done at fixing her up.
But upon further examination, she was just as ugly as she was before, even more so with all of the window dressing.
Nope, she was still just a pig.
You get my meaning.
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wildcat Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I’ve been wondering about this real estate photograph:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VTqg.....000000.jpg
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
“To me, that’s just the sign of a classy, advanced system”
Excuse me?
If I want to be classy and chic, I’ll go down and buy some hot hip hugger jeans.
This “Classy and Chic” healthcare bill costs how much again?
Quite a price to pay just to be “classy and chic” don’t you think?
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LUCY LIB Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Do not be jealous of Dr. Peoosi. Marin county is proud of her. We all love her.
CA GIRL
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Cheaper than weed Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:22 am
I would punch that fucking cunt, escept it might improve her botox look. What a fucking whore. I refuse to buy into this bullshit, and dare any cunt like her to force me.
Try it and eat lead!
Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Refer back to my pig analogy.
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Oh, Flamingo, STOP IT, you’re killing me!!!!!
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Blacklisted, if you want to stand in line for hours or wait months to see a doctor, then be my guest. Move to Canada or the UK. By the way, you don’t deserve to have the name “patriot” in your handle because you most certainly are nothing of the kind. Anyone who wants government control of ANYTHING is not deserving of the label.
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November 8th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Corp/Govt knows America is gone and all their paper regardless
of words or color is meaningless!!
But it sure plays well as a nice pre-NWO catastrophe!!
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Right on script it is.
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November 8th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
The DNC has their shills working the comment boards overtime today don’t they? Man, if they had just worked this hard on changing the minds of the 60+% that didn’t want this…Oh well, why change minds or comprimise when we can just ram it down their throats!!!
If you’re reading this – you are the resistance…
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I just wanted to chime in and say I love your comments.
Keep them coming!
They are inspiring more people than you know.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
I wonder what would happen with 10% unemployment and all, if the whole country, all of us, just refused to work anymore and finance anything any longer through out tax revenue, until things got changed in DC.
In other words, TO STOP FINANCING THE MACHINE THAT DOES NOT SERVE US ANY LONGER.
What would they do?
Import replacements?
FEMA our asses?
What.?
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Ben Steinke Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Right the #$%& on, Stumpy!!!!!
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November 8th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
They can ppress you, they can even kill you. But they can never rule you unless you let them.
Support the black market.
Support civil disobedience.
Spread the philosphy of freedom.
Refuse to serve in the Evil Empire’s military machine.
Laugh at them and rejoice in their failures.
LONG LIVE the Resistance!
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
I wonder what would happen with 10% unemployment and all, if the whole country, all of us, just refused to work anymore and finance anything any longer through out tax revenue, until things got changed in DC.
In other words, TO STOP FINANCING THE MACHINE THAT DOES NOT SERVE US ANY LONGER.
What would they do?
Import replacements?
FEMA our asses?
What.
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November 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
May the Senate show a greater wisdom than the House. This legislation was a waste of tax payer dollars both in inception and completion. I would support larger reforms on the health care industry (e.g. anti-trust & congressional oversight), but the offering of government sponsored insurance at such a large scale at a time when the nation is carrying such a large debt is irresponsible at best.
I do not think there is a massive conspiracy afoot here. The New World Order is a machination of a feeble mind looking for connections in the ether. These posts with “lock and load” and “you are the resistance” seem to romanticize violence and revel in its simplicity. “There’s a problem. Let me shoot it.” Beating your chest and telling the world your ready for anything it throws at you only leaves a bruise on your chest.
Want to make God laugh? Tell him about your plans.
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November 8th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
A very good definition of Fascism is when government forces you to do business with a corporation.
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November 8th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
The SENATE IS NOT ANY BETTER..IT WILL PASS BY A MASSIVE MARGIN..WATCH…
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November 8th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
James N…close your eyes as you jump over the cliff with the other sheeple..baaaa baaaaaa
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November 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
ameriKa needs a nation wide strike…close shop–don’t go to work..nutin..bring this demonic nation to a standstill…
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November 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Wait until you start getting health insurance bills for $400 or $500 per month. Thanks to Congress, that’s what everyone will get. Nowhere in the 1990 pages of health care legislation is there any verbiage about actually reducing the cost of insurance or, more importantly, of prescription drugs. This is a shakedown!
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November 8th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
GOOGLE margarita island scam
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November 8th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
WALFART just announced cheap caskets–how convenient…i wonder if they are covered in the health bill?
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November 8th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
The idiots who post on this sight are the real reason why America is in trouble…it’s not the big bad government, it’s the little, ignorant idiots like you that have made this country week and uncompetative.
MIKE, FLAMINGO FLOOSIE, STUMPY, BEN STEINKE – By ignorantly repeating nonsense you heard on your favorite show, you are not only NONPATRIOTIC by not READING the actual bill, but you only show your ignorance by making fun of people’s looks instead of their policy or making rediculous analogies or using cute twists on words like WALFART. How old are you?
You keep saying Sheeple when you are the ones blindly listening to hate mongers and fear spreaders without actually investigating for yourselves.
-MANDATORY INSURANCE – We have that now for auto insurance becuase the uninsured are a liability to the insured through higher premiums and copays to cover the expense of the uninsured.
-GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED HEALTH CARE – Even the public option isn’t government controlled and it’s an OPTION. You could choose a co-op or just stick with what you’ve got.
-HIGHER TAXES – Only if you make more than a half-million a year, which I really doubt applies to any of us here. Lower premiums and copays are what you are likely to see when CAPITALISM is introduced by this bill by creating competition and ending the medical coorporation’s monopoly and price fixing that is HAPPENING NOW!
-EVERYONE PAYS $15K/YR UNDER THE PLAN – The bill specifically limits medical expenditures for individuals to $5,000 and families to $10K.
-1.8 MILLION PROTESTED AND IT STILL PASSED SO THE GOVERNEMENT DOESN’T CARE – That number is almost HALF OF ONE PERCENT of the US population.
It’s also less than 5% of the number of people who are currently uninsured so I don’t see
how even your 5th grade education didn’t tell you that’s not anywhere close to an oppressed majority.
Everyone in this country is paying too much for health care or doesn’t have it and we have substandard results by all measures compared to the rest of the world, but you “patriotic” Americans use your voice and liberty to fight for ignorance. Good job.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I roll a peanut out of my shit across the table for you to eat, good sir.
Ooops….
I just farted….. there’s a kiss for ya Gary.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I have a Phd in Music and the Arts clownfucker.
In fact, my garbage tallies up what you probably make in a year.
Go get a fucking job.
Take a bath.
Follow along to the lockstep of the other idiots like yourself.
Last but not least….
Tongue my browneye bitch!
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Sheila Murphy Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
lmao
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Cheaper than weed Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:25 am
What afucking idiot, Gary. Limits health care spending to 5 and 10k?
I spent 00000 fuciing dollars last year Gary, you fucking tax stealing motherfucker, because I fucking exercise and eat right, two traits not mentioned once in this piece of shit health care reform bill.
Ever heard of preventive medicine, motherfucker. You need a face wash on my cock.
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GARY Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
This bill, and others, support programs that encourage excercise and eating right. How does excercising and eating right protect you from a broken arm, a car accident, prostate cancer, MS, or 1000 other non preventable conditions? AGAIN, your taxes don’t go up in this bill.
A responsible person would have seen a doctor for a check up last year on gone to the dentist twice to have their teeth cleaned.
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GARY Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
How am I the idiot, limiting expenditures to $5k or $10k for families is one of the biggest provisons in the bill you ignorant redneck. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE ARUGING FOR!
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November 8th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
As a professional guitarist, I can tell you that the “Thought Police” have now even gone after the music and the youth.
I know they tried in the 80’s, but this time they did it in a bigger and a more personal way.
I am talking about this Guitar Hero video game.
A whole generation of music will now be lost to what….?
A fu**ing video game.
A kid will now only be able to go through the motions on a freaking joystick.
Put him on a real guitar and they go “huh?”
They can’t even leave the music alone.
Pathetic.
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Richard Sievert Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
They do not care about creativity only profit look at wall marts stupid one dollar a try grab a item, It never works and all it lets you do is go forward and revers just like a car and when you try and grab something it never gets it.
Get it?
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November 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I’m the general manager of a Honda dealership in New York, so I do well financially, but I don’t know what that has to do with my ideas and your ideas.
What is PATHETIC is that a “profesional guitarist” would be so ignorant while pretending to be part of some musical, artistic resistance. I play guitar too pal, but I got my degree in something you had to read words to get. You have NOTHING logical, political, or in anyway constructive to say! Musicians, like all artists are supposed to be at the cutting edge of culture and progressive thinking, but all you can muster to defend your “position”, whatever that is, are puns and toilet humor that aren’t nearly as creative as what my 7yr old nephew can come up with.
Guitar Hero = Thought Police? I guarantee I’m smoking better weed than you and I have NO IDEA where you are comming from.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
“I play guitar too pal”
That quote doesn’t include the promtional guitar you have hanging on your wall you fat bastard.
*******
First off I am not your pal asswipe.
Second off…..how was the peanut?
Tasty?
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
I will guarantee you, you are NOT smoking better weed than me.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
You have every idea where I am coming from you piece of coprolite.
In case your ignorant ass don’t know what coprolite is, it is fossilized dinasaur shit.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Better dust off your “promotional” guitar that you have hanging on your Honda dealership wall, you know, the one that strummed one time before you call yourself a guitar player.
You fat greasy bastard you.
Are you a Guitar Hero star too?
LMFAO @ YOU!
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Look back at all your posts to me Floosie…you’ve said NOTHING! I have and Epiphone accoustic and a Fender Strat. Granted, I’m not a “professional” like you, but I have fun. I’m not fat, or greasy, and I don’t have the same fascination with shit that you do.
I CHALLENGE YOU TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BILL THAT IS BASED ON FACT THAT SUPPORTS YOUR OPPOSITION TO IT.
You can’t because you truely are just another ignorant floosie that is fucking up this country.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
You are SO dismissed.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have another FAT royalty check to cash.
Bye “general manager”
I don’t talk to “general managers” of car dealerships.
I have “people” do that for me.
I might talk to an actual OWNER of a business.
But a “general manger”?
Of a Honda dealership?
LMFAO!
Bye loser.
Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Like I said, “general manager”….lmfao!
I can’t believe I am even talking to you…lolz
A lowly car dealership “general manager”.
LMFAO all the way to the bank!!
My garbage, what I throw away every year, is the monetary equivalent of what you actually make in a year.
GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Wow, you had time to think of an answer to prove me wrong, and you even had the internet to cheat and copy someone else’s answer, but you’re too stupid to even do that.
If you are a professional that is sucessful enough to have “people” they are robbing you blind because you are a dumb little girl that clearly isn’t all there.
We all know that you’re not, because if you were, you would have one of your “people” post something that doesn’t let people know you’re an ignorant, airheaded, typical American girl who fancies herself a deep musician. You know who you are, and you know you’re not proud, or you would be happier.
Have fun with you shit fetish and your valley girl vocabulary.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Are you ready for another slice of shut the fuck up so soon Gary?
My what an appetite.
Here ya go Gary.
STFU.
You “general manager” you.
Is that like a mechanic or something?
Bye loser.
PS….
The peanut I rolled across the table to you….how was it exactly?
Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
How did it taste, I want you to use your imagination and close your eyes and relive the moment you cracked it open with your teeth for me.
I gotta caca fetish boy!
General managers of Honda dealerships turn me ON!
Bye Loser.
Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Not.
Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I am going to be speaking to Rick Hendrick tomorrow a.m., concerning the possibility of buying out all of New York state’s Honda dealerships.
Justy so I can personally fire your dumb ass.
LMFAO ALL the way to the bank.
November 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
nancy pelosi makes her acting debut!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBY6pF42I-c
unfortunately she was only a body double and only makes her short appearance when the lead character has his sunglasses on.
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9jpfwkXQ9E
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
KISS YOUR A”"goodby dumbocrates. I have 860 million dollars to help the People detrown your butts and that includes you mafia princess…
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November 8th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
STILL, NOBODY CAN COME UP WITH AN ACTUAL, FACT BASED, LOGICAL ARGUMENT AGAINST THIS BILL!
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I am going to be speaking to Rick Hendrick tomorrow a.m., concerning the possibility of buying out all of New York state’s Honda dealerships.
Justy so I can personally fire your dumb ass.
LMFAO ALL the way to the bank.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Gary,
Have you ever thought that the opposition to this bill is strong?
And with good merit?
And that maybe it is just ~you~ people don’t want to respond to.
You think?
Just sayin.
This has been debated through and through.
And I oppose it.
But, in all honesty, I do not care to share my views with you.
You are too surly.
Stick to doing Honda’s.
Stick your dick in the gas hole too while you’re at it.
Loser.
Bye.
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
You still can’t manage to get something smart to come out of your mouth.
The opposition to this bill is strong? With good merrit?
MAKE YOUR OWN POINT OR GO BACK TO HOT TOPIC AND BUY SOME BLACK LIPSTICK AND CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP ON YOUR FLUFFY PINK COMFORTER.
Flaky people like you belong on Twitter or MySpace. People are supposed to be talking about real life stuff that effects adults. You really don’t need to comment anymore.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
You only ~wish~ you knew who I really am.
Losah!
Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
The peanut Gary?
How was it?
You fucking govt. shill you.
You’re pathetic coming on here posting your crap.
Does ACORN pay you too?
bob boblaw Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
did you not hear/read the part where it said fines can be issued for up to 250,000 or imprisonment for up to 5 years?
i’m not sure if this part is in the new revision, but did you also get a chance to read page 1000 of hr 3200? that particular section is about inserting “medical devices”. if you have a couple of minutes to spare you should download a pdf file of hr 3200 and go to page 1000
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
You don’t even know how many pages there are. Educate yourself before you try to make a point. Where did YOU hear about those fines. “I’m not sure if it’s in the final version” That translates to, I don’t know what I’m talking about. Show me where those fines are and I’ll answer you.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
The peanut Gary?
How was it?
You fucking govt. shill you.
You’re pathetic coming on here posting your crap.
Does ACORN pay you too?????
bob boblaw Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
you are misquoting me. the “i’m not sure if it is in the final version” was a reference to page 1000 of hr 3200 of which obviously you haven’t read yourself. or have you?
GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Here’s the text of page 1000 of hr3200
1 such sums as may be necessary for each of the fiscal years
2 2011 through 2014.’’.
3 (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The Secretary of Health and
4 Human Services shall begin awarding grants under section
5 399Z–1 of the Public Health Service Act, as added by sub6
section (b), not later than July 1, 2010, without regard
7 to whether or not final regulations have been issued under
8 section 399Z–1(h) of such Act.
9 Subtitle C—National Medical
10 Device Registry
11 SEC. 2521. NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY.
12 (a) REGISTRY.—
13 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 519 of the Federal
14 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i) is
15 amended—
16 (A) by redesignating subsection (g) as sub17
section (h); and
18 (B) by inserting after subsection (f) the
19 following:
20 ‘‘National Medical Device Registry
21 ‘‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national med22
ical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the
23 ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and
24 outcomes data on each device that—
25 ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and
What are you talking about and didn’t you think it might be a dumb idea to accuse an obviously educated person of not reading something that you yourself haven’t read?
Dumbass
Mark Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Here is a fact for you Gary. You sir are a thief and a tyrant. Stay the fuck away from me and my kids you sick bastard or you will need that health care.
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Your brain can’t defend you so you’re going to threaten me? Over the internet. You’re tough. How am I a thief or a tyrant when I suport a bill that will save you money and frees you and I from the tyranny of profit driven health care premiums?
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November 8th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
“Socialized health care in Canada rocks,” yea tell that to the people who died needlessly because of rationed or non-existent modern health care. If those that are so in love with socialized health care take your parasitic butts to the EU.
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Who died needlessly because of rationed care? What about the people that die in this country because they can’t afford care…isn’t that rationing based on your wealth? A few months ago it was on the news that a woman died in the waiting room of a hospital, fell on the floor and laid there for more than an hour before someone came over. Look it up, that’s here, NOW!
Stephen Hawking is one of the smartest people to ever live and he has a debilitating disease that requires expensive care, equipment, and 24 hour personell. He gets that all for free under Englands health care system, even though he can afford the best care in the world.
Canada and Europe have very sucessful health care systems and they have healthier populations as measured by infant mortality and preventible disease than we do.
They also pay a lot less per person to do it than we do under our current system.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
~Who died needlessly because of rationed care? ~
Your momma when she squeezed you out of her rectum.
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November 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Gary. You are telling me that a 2000 or so page Bill is good. How many pages does it take to add up to what you listed as being in the bill? What else is in the bill? Insert ” BLAA, BlAA, BlAA in Paragraph so and so. It made sense when you read it? How long did it take for you to read it asshole. I don’t believe you or had time to read it and make sence of it. Why wasn’t the bill small and to the point? We all know that both parties are bought and payed for by the special interest and corporations lobbying them. This bill is a result of that. It will take time for the people to get rid of those in congress who would vote for bills that don’t support the voice of the people. Call us stupid and other names, but we will continue fighting for change until we get it right. I will not give up faith in this system that was established for us. It is our last great hope that we will move beyond this dark period of our history. Hindsite is our sad reminder that this Great Nation has not yet made it to where our founders had invisioned. They had prepared us for these times with protections that are garanteed within the constitution. It is up to us to guide the nation back from where it has strayed. I am proud to be an Amerian who is still keeping the faith that we will come through these times into a new age brought about by the very mistakes we making in these times. Knowledge is power to those who use it. Lets arm each other with knowledge and use it for a change for the better.
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Here you go Tim
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf
There’s the bill, read it. Don’t be scared. Yes, it’s 1990 pages. Those pages are widely spaced with large margins on the side and large margins. If it were a novel, which I’m sure you don’t read either, it would be about 500 pages. This is the largest sector of our economy, there are more than a few details involved that need to be spelled out. Sorry that doesn’t fit into your flylike attention span.
Arm yourself with knowledge and tell me SPECIFICALLY what you oppose. It’s not bad just because it’s 2000 pages.
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November 8th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Yeah!!!!!!!!
Go Nancy. Healthcare Reform at last, and damn those greedy insurance companies.
A night of celebration in Marin county tonight, and rightfully so. Congradualtions LIBS.
Please no repsonses from the boat guy radio show in San Francisco. You lost fair and square no be a man.
Marin county celebrates.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
This was on another thnread but this sums up the Health bill to a perfect tee!
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FERNANDO IN EAST LA Says:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Thank you President Obama for helping to bring equality into Health Care for mexican immigarant guest workers. We are Hungry and willing to work chepaer than gringos.
Long live Larasa and the reconpatriation of the republice of CA.
I have three wives and 27 children all of whom have been diagnosed with autism and discriminatory disinfranchisemnt. I am looking forward to the Provisons oF Dr. Nancy Peolosi’s legislation which will bring free food, housing, and educational diversity to my large family. Till now I have been struggling with my hourly pay of $12.00/hr to pay for family needs even thought CA assistance payment of $15,000/mo have helped somewhat. I cannot wait until my bambinos become of voting age so that they can bring about more preisidential aid for the poor and disenfranchised mexican american population. Change is the first word I will teach my children to speak in English. The second thing is how to read the words Democrat on a voting ticket and board a ACORN bus to the voiting polls. These people are very nice and give my entire familiy free tacos and two american dollars after our voting excursion.
We are now working witrh ACORN to bring CA state legislation requiring Spanish to be the primary language of the state. This is fair since CA was stolen from Pancho Via. Any English speakers in public shall be fined and imprisoned for not speaking with Diversity and Sensitivy.
Long live Senore Obama, I knew he was part mexican all the time.
We fiesta tonight in honor of Dr. Peolos’s victory in the House of Wisdom.
Surrrendo Gringos, We have reclaimed the land which is rightfully ours. Thank you Nancy for your compaisonate feelings and influence in Washington D.C.
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
From another thread? Right. That’s not only made up, but further shows you dumbass ignorance because illegal immigrants are expressly prohibited from recieving care, just like they are now in other government programs. Stop cutting and pasting from you email.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ho…..-bill.html
Yeah, from another thread, you surly fucking fuck, you
November 8th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ho.....-bill.html
Yeah, from another thread, you surly fucking fuck, you.
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
That is what sums up the Health Care debate for you?
You’re not only an ignorant, lonely little girl, but you’re also a racist. Nice.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
You know absolutely zip about me sporto.
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November 8th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
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November 8th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
When a bill goes through the house and gets passed with such enthusiasm even though they intend on sending AMERICAN CITIZENS TO PRISON for failing to have THEIR health care shows me that the POLITICIANS TRULY DON’T CARE what happens to THE PEOPLE.
The ONLY reason they would pass this bill is because they all have a FINANCIAL INTEREST in this health care program and don’t care for ANYTHING but their BANK ACCOUNTS!
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Where in the bill does it say you can go to jail if you don’t have insurance?
Incriminally Sane: Do you have health insurance now and if not, how do you pay for the doctor and how would you pay for your care if you got into an accident or found out you had cancer?
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
~how would you pay for your care if you got into an accident or found out you had cancer?~
Pimp your mommas tight little sphincter out on da corner is how.
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Flamingo Floosie Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Government shill.
And a troll.
What a combo platter.
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Incriminally Sane Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Flamingo Floosie:
You have NO IDEA!
Yes I did work for the GOVERNMENT for more than twenty years, I have seen what they do to people that do not go along with their tyranny and control, Death, Destruction and pain is all they know and I abhor the things that happen within this system of CONTROL.
Freedom is NO LONGER part of your daily regimen, it is only a dream that YOU WILL NEVER EXPERIENCE! PAin and suffering is all that the American people will experience for the next few years until they decide they have had enough and begin to work together to fight this TYRANNY that has enveloped their nation.
So PLEASE, DO NOT EVER accuse me of being a “SHILL”, as I am quite the OPPOSITE of this.
THANK YOU, INCRIMINALLY SANE!
Incriminally Sane Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Section 1702 PAGE 3
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GARY Reply:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
iNCRIMINALLY SANE – Flamingo was talking to me and there is no section 1702 and page 3 is part of the table of contents. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! WHERE IS THE TYRANNY IN THIS BILL?
November 8th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Is is too much to ask that a politician just not come forth and tell the American people that they are slaves to the NWO crowd? That we are under control of the UN? That WHO mandates our healthcare now and decides if we all get flu shots. WHO changed the definition of a “pandemic” to incorporate any flu. But the politics are the same, we have no rights.
Google these videos:
Bell Tolling for the Swine Flu (campanas por la gripe a)
Strange case of Joseph Moshe
debate fema camps trains trucks busses coffins swine flu and martial law
USA soldiers are already wearing shoulder patches with the North American Union logo. View this on 5th Army website, home of US army North, USARNORTH.
Obama is taking our sovereignty away behind closed doors.
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
After watching a lot of videos, (esp: strange case of Josephe Moshe, Trolling for swine flu, debate fema camps trains trucks buses coffins swine flu and martial law) reading and corresponding on this site, it all seems to be coming together!
I went to to veteran’s cemetery here when it was reported (on pp) plastic coffins had arrived in our city of Houston and sure thing, they were there. There are over a thousand FEMA camps ready for business, trains outfitted for prisoners, buses and our soldiers and the UN soldiers are being trained for martial law.
All of this equipment was ordered years ago!!!!! Mainstream media says nothing!
The H1N! vaccines are going to be used as a bioweapon by plan at this time so martial law can be called, the bank holiday is coming soon, the new currency is here and they have to devalue the dollar and all hell will break loose at the same time all by design.
Oh yea, and culling the population at the same time!
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Cooper,
If you took pictures of those coffins, you could be rich selling those photos.
Are you doing that? Could you post some photos here?
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Don’t educate yourself on youtube. Read newspapers, books, learn real history, real current events from sources that backup their claims with evidence and have some kind of accountability.
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November 8th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Over many years we have all been lied to by our Governments, but not just our Governments but many religous leaders. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false prophets. If you are a truth seeker please visit the following web site and take the time to read some of the articles, you will be shocked.
http://www.2besaved.com
Blessings
Ben
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Ben, this is a website to discuss real life political happenings. In this forum, we’re talking about a real life health care bill. Go sell your crazy Jesus nonsense somewhere else.
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Mark Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Your a thief no matter how you spin it. You want to force people to pay for your plans. Why dont you just worry about yourself and leave everyone else the fuck alone? Why dont you come over to my house and try to force me into paying for your plan. Oh thats right your to chicken shit you will send the state instead. Coward.
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Nothing in this bill is asking you to pay for anything. If anything, it would likely put money back into your pocket. Why do I have to pay for your defense and wars I don’t support? Why do I have to pay for your retirement through Social Security? Why do I have to pay to keep you from going poor and living on the street if you loose your job? Why do I have to pay for your kid’s education? Because we live in a SOCIETY and we pool our resources to get more than we can get as individuals. Out of many, one. E plubris, unum.
If you want to only look for yourself, go live in the desert or on an island where you don’t use any public resource and completely support yourself. Then you are exempt from taxes.
November 8th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
$4,874.23 – According to a payment calculator, that’s what a single person has to come up with annually or go to jail and/or pay fines. That’s over $400 a month for someone unemployed a really long time.
There is no such thing as free health care. Don’t care if Stephen Hawking is getting “free” health care. No. No, he is not. Some poor family in his country is struggling to make ends meet so he can have his fancy electric wheel chair and text to speech computer and do guest shots on Star Trek.
I see crime rising exponentially because of this health care reform. More bank robberies by mom and dads trying to take care of their family under this new health care reform and not drug addicts or losers supporting useless habits. People who never ever thought about growing pot will grow it and sell it just to pay the bills and nothing else.
I’m wondering if Pelosi is as crazy as her eyes.
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GARY Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
According to what payment calculator? You’re saying that if you are unemployed, that’s how much you have to pay? Where’s your info coming from, and please list the part of the bill that says you will be imprisoned. I’m not familliar with it.
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November 9th, 2009 at 6:09 am
http://www.KeepTheTruthAlive.com
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November 9th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
*****PATRIOT CHALLENGE******
Here are 5 concrete reasons why I support HR 3962
1. It ends the medical industries exemption from national anti-trust laws. Right now, insurance companies can and do have monopolies on health care in many states and therefor are able to keep prices inflated because of lack of competition. This bill ends that.
2. It establishes a free marketplace where people can easily compare private insurance company’s rates and creates a more direct competition between companies to lower their prices and earn my business.
3. It provides for citizens ability to form co-operatives to pool their buying power and use their collective bargaining power to get lower rates.
4. It establishes a non-profit insurance company that will compete with profit inflated insurance companies and drug companies and force them to accept more reasonable profit in order to compete.
5. It ends the ability of insurance companies to refuse you treatment because of a so-called “pre-existing condition”, which has been used by insurance companies to take your money without paying for the services they are supposed to. Insurance companies can also charge “old people” any amount of money for coverage just because they are old. The bill limits that amount to double the amount of a young persons premium.
There you go, 5 actual provisions from this bill that I support.
I CHALLENGE ANYONE WHO IS AGAINST THIS BILL TO LIST ACTUAL PROVISIONS IN THE BILL THAT THEY ARE AGAINST. SHOW THIS SITE THAT YOUR PASSION ISN’T JUST MISPLACE ANGER AND THAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.
I WILL BE SHOCKED IF ANY OF YOU CAN MEET THIS CHALLENGE.
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