 |
 |
Zinn: 9/11 Truth Is For “Fanatics”, Has “No Practical Political Significance”
New comments cause more outrage after leftist historian said he didn’t care about what really happened on 9/11
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Friday, Nov 21, 2008
Just days after left-wing anti-war icon Howard Zinn told an audience that he didn’t care if 9/11 was an inside job, he has repeated the sentiment, stating that questions regarding the attacks have “no practical political significance” and that 9/11 truth activists are “fanatics” who are wasting their time.
During a lecture at UQAM university in Montréal, Zinn was once again asked if he would support a new 9/11 investigation.
Zinn responded:
“I have said that what happened on 9/11 deserves to be investigated more than it has been because I don’t accept and believe official investigations and official reports.
But having said that, and I want to say that this has really annoyed a lot of people, but why not, and I will annoy more people by saying that I think there are many people who have become fanatics about 9/11. By fanatics I mean, they think we should drop everything and just concentrate our energies on finding out what happened on 9/11.
I don’t think the question of what really happened on 9/11 is the most important question we can ask.”
Zinn then took a direct swipe at the 9/11 truth movement by stating:
“To tell a movement of citizens in the United States that this is something that we really have to make an issue of, I don’t believe it because we don’t need what happened on 9/11, we don’t need that to tell us about the crimes of the Bush administration.
I believe there are certain things that happen in history and certainly questions that are asked that divert us from the important things that we have to do at hand.
The truth is I don’t think anyone will ever really know what happened on 9/11 just as I don’t think anyone will really know who killed John F. Kennedy, and there are a lot of people who wasted a huge amount of time working on something that did not have any practical political significance.”
Zinn then asserted that his previous comments at a lecture in Colorado has been distorted and that he never said he did not care about 9/11 or the fact that it was in the past.
Zinn’s exact words that day were “I don’t know enough about it (the 9/11 conspiracy) and the truth is I don’t much care, that’s past.”
Watch the video:
(ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)
In our previous article we analysed how other leftist luminaries such as Noam Chomsky have belittled the efforts of 9/11 truth activists and attempted to dismiss the political significance of asking questions and highlighting evidence of government complicity in the attacks, while at the same time clearly acknowledging that the truth remains covered up and withheld.
This cements commentators such as Zinn and Chomsky as intellectual cowards and allows them to be used as leftist gatekeepers by an establishment that even they admit has used 9/11 as a means to facilitate aggressive and monstrous foreign and domestic agendas.
What really happened on 9/11 is not a distraction, it is the key to everything:
Without 9/11 there would be no “war on terror”.
Without 9/11 there would be no “clash of civilizations”
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Afghanistan.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iraq.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iran.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in… (insert any country classified as part of the “axis of evil” or defined as being “with the terrorists”)
Without 9/11 thousands of U.S. troops would not have been sent to their deaths.
Without 9/11 hundreds of thousands of citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan would not have been sentenced to their deaths.
Without 9/11 there would be no inaction on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
Without 9/11 there would be no civilian contractors in Iraq and the scandal that has followed them would have been averted.
Without 9/11 there would be no false military reporting (Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch), and no crack down on the freedom of the press (banning photographing the returning coffins).
Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act.
Without 9/11 there would be no NSA warrantless wiretapping program.
Without 9/11 there would be no Camp Delta and no Camp X-ray at Guantanamo Bay.
Without 9/11 there would be no Military Commissions Act and no coordinated program of extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention and torture of those defined as “enemy combatants”.
Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in secrecy and complete militarization of intelligence under the newly created office of the Director of National Intelligence.
Without 9/11 there would not be thousands of dead and dying emergency workers who are suffering crippling and fatal respiratory illnesses.
Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in military and security spending that goes arm in arm with huge cutbacks in other key social programs (such as levees in New Orleans).
Without 9/11 there would have been no total abandonment of fiscal restraint, which has contributed to plunging the nation into an abyss of debt and looks likely to tip the world into a deep recession if not a complete depression.
And on and on and on.
Perhaps most importantly, without 9/11 there would be no “post 9/11 society/mentality”.
The ongoing ignorance of official 9/11 lies will continue to feed the fear and hostility that this post 9/11 environment is founded upon. If it is “fanatical” to attempt to pay attention to the man behind the curtain, so to speak, then every member of the 9/11 truth movement should plead guilty.
The definition of a “fanatic” is, in this writer’s humble opinion, much closer to the actions of the fawning audience at both of Howard Zinn’s afore mentioned lectures, who proceeded to inanely cheer their hero no matter what came out of his mouth.
Much more fanatical are the kind of pocket radicals who latch on to one way of thinking, stick steadfastly to one political paradigm, completely close their minds to the wider picture, proceeding to repeat adfinum to their friends in the “coffee revolution” shops what Zinn, Chomsky, Vidal and their ilk have said, in between conversations about the finer points of Jack Kerouac’s stream of consciousness prose, their understanding of the term ‘multiculturalism’ and the origins of Che Guevara’s seminal manual on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare.
Such people can groan all they like when questions over 9/11 are raised, it doesn’t change the fact that every single significant action the Bush administration has taken over the last seven years, every attack on freedom and crime against humanity that they have committed stems from the events of 9/11.
Yes Mr Zinn, you have angered a great many politically minded people with your comments, but what do you expect when you state that you do not care about what really happened on the most historically significant day in our recent history, and in the lifetimes of many of us?
Indeed, this is the key to Zinn’s comments. To him, what really happened on 9/11 is not significant because it is HE who represents the past, it is HE who is wasting his time and it is HE who is politically insignificant.
Prison
Planet.tv Members Can Watch
Fall Of The Republic
Right Now Online -
Don't Miss Out! Get
Your Subscription Today!
CANCER CONSPIRACY? Are
"they" suppressing the cure? Will YOU
be the next victim? Learn
the Secret Truth! - READ FULL STORY
-
- Social bookmarks
- Email this article
-
- Print this page
105 Responses to “Zinn: 9/11 Truth Is For “Fanatics”, Has “No Practical Political Significance””
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | |||||||
| By N2H | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
November 21st, 2008 at 11:49 am
Zinn has done some good, but he shouldn’t call 911 truthers “fanatics”
November 21st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
In all fairness…I DID hear, on a AJ show from 1.5 or 2 years ago, a conversation between Alex and Michael Rivero in which Michael declared victory for the 911 truth movement and didn’t care for an official coming out and Alex was convinced that none of the perpetrators will go down for 911 but he did express the hope for an “Al Capone” style prosecution where the perps are being convicted for something unrelated…
When I heard those statements from these prominent “truthers” I stopped reading and researching the whole thing and I get really annoyed each time he (Alex) still continues to whine (because after such a statement that’s all you can call it).
I think he and Michael and now Zinn realize (in their hearts) that the americans will never expose them selves to the whole world as being criminals and dupes…
And now, with the departure of the criminals out of office and the new admin not interested in prosecutions of them, justice will never prevail because of the apathy of the population…it’ll become a (alternative) historical footnote…
If there ever was an opportunity to redeem your selves in front of the rest of the world, it’s gone. Americans dropped the ball again and refusing to accept the consequences…
November 21st, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Is Zinn a zionist jew?
November 21st, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Why bother with the geriatric suffering from alzheimer.Zinn is just too old and jaundiced to care. So it is not surprising he is spewing gibberish nonsense. Old biddy batty dears are universally like that.Completely loopy as their brains mash up rendering them toothless,dazed and confused as they continue slurping pureed gunk. Ignore the Old goat. The fact is that evil old people are always up to no good, whether it is starting wars so that other people children go and die in it, or stealing copious amounts of money like cheney and his wall street George soros types, Loot that they can never ever hope to spend or downright engaging in dastardly paid for gay necrophilia rumpus pumpus like George Bush. Just ignore him and feel sorry for him as he chokes and waits for the grim reaper.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
The perpetrators are all races and religions and having read several Zinn and Chomsky books that like to point to all non jew perpetrators I think anyone capable of associative math can figure out that the jews circled their wagons around their own a long time ago…afterall, they are merely percecuted victims only interested in truth and justice and liberty for themselves, the rest of the goyim…read the talmud…needs to be culled, regulated and imprisoned for the crime of thinking that jews are anything but the most perfect chosen creatures to ever grace planet earth…
I once sat at a dinner table at a wedding with a prominent Jewish judge at a very elite wedding in Chicago…he spewed vile hatred of the fact the bride was marrying filthy goyim…a Judge who is supposed to show no bias…It was then things started to click for me…
After all, why am I supposed to like a people who clearly hate me…
Granted after an inventory of my Jewish acquaintances and friends I have liked about 38% of them while disliking about 49% of them and having an indifferent reading of about 13% of them, I have come to the conclusion that they deserve to be criticized like everyone else…
So take me up on hate crimes…It won’t help me to like you any better.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Steve,
As always, great article. I think you missed one point, though:
The exposure of 911 would bring about a colossal paradigm shift in the way people think about government. Never again, or at least in the near future, would it be possible for a government to commit false flag terror attacks, or to assasinate a President for not playing ball. All the defenders of the official story would get a much-deserved dose of humility.
The current order of evil would be overturned, and a new era would emerge. The talking heads which have been pushing the official story would either fade into obscurity, or brought to justice. The bush-clinton crime families’ grip on power would loosen. At that time, it may even open up the possibility for the Rockefeller-Rothschild world mafia to be brought down. The essential checks and balances specified by the U.S. Constitution and the sovereignty of nations would be revived in a way which has not been experienced in our lifetimes.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:44 pm
As much as I respect Howard Zinn, I must suggest that his anti-war stance has “no practical political significance,” as time has proved that he too is a part of the “fanatics” wasting their time. His sorry remarks prove that he doesn’t realize that to prosecute those guilty ones is to undermine the zeitgeist of war prevalent in the United States. Otherwise he might be “crypto!”
November 21st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
It’s good that the phenomenon of “Left-gatekeeping” be exposed. The “Left” can be likened to the left tack of the ship of state sailing upwind to the NWO’s destination. The banking/military/industrial complex has gotten all the mileage they could from the right tack, now they’re tacking left. The “left” is as unconstitutional as the “right” and left gatekeeping needs to be countered and exposed as much as the right gatekeeping.
Patience, perseverance, and a loving attitude (even for our “enemies”) will eventuallly carry the day.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Stopping the talk about a NWO and a conspiracy behind global warming will ensure that the 9/11 Truth message gets the right kind of attention and not being treated as a crazy idea. I believe this is very important.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I hadn’t heard of this guy until last week. To me “fanantical” is a bit of a smear term. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that he is doing quite well financially due to this BS War On Terror-aka(Terra)…
(click my name for music that matters)
November 21st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Steve in Michigan = brainwashed retard.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
So a man who preaches some great lessons of history tells us that, “It’s in the past, it doesn’t matter.”
Gatekeeper alert!
November 21st, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Once again this site does not focus on news it just focuses on filling in the blanks with its own fearmongering. If using fear to manipulate someone makes them a terrorist then this entire website is full of terrorists because almost 100 percent of the commentary on this site is full of fear and hatred. Look in the mirror prison planet!
November 21st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I still like this site because its a good source of alternative information but sometimes these commentaries are just buried in paranoia.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
#3 He is an ashkenazi to be certain. He’s pulling a Chomsky, (another Ashkenazi). Seems to be there thing-now that people are getting to close to the truth “it’s not significant”.
Do not trust this man-he’s now their sayanim.
The Zio Ashkenazis are as thick as thieves
November 21st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
I think an important and vadid point is being ignored here. If the Bush administration cannot be held to account for the many undeniable and openly commited breaches of law (both national and international) how can we honestly expect them to be held to account for things which are controversial?
Everyone with a brain knows that the killings of both John and Robert Kennedy did not occur as advertised, but what difference has it made? I can understand the reluctance of both Zinn and Chomsky to get themselves mixed up with the 9/11 truth movement, infiltrated as it is by both cranks and saboteurs. I’m not saying that I agree with their position (I don’t) but I don’t see much point in damning them for being pragmatic (in their own eyes at least)
I can’t honestly tell you why Zinn and Chomsky have taken the positions that they have, whether its fear of being killed, fear of losing their academic respectability, pragmatic reluctance to join in with what they see as a hopeless battle or just simple treachery. I just think that you are being a bit harsh in condemning people who have done a lot of good work over the years.
On a slightly different note, is there any way of arranging a debate between David Ray Griffin and Noam Chomsky, that really would be a match worth watching!
November 21st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Zinn commits high treason. A court will try him someday. He will pay.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
What an idiotic stance to take on such a relevant issue. Especially coming from a historian! Historians always say that if we don’t learn from the mistakes of our past, we are condemned to repeat then in the future. Hmmm……
November 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Also,
-Zinn’s exact words that day were “I don’t know enough about it (the 9/11 conspiracy) and the truth is I don’t much care, that’s past.”
My response to that would be, “Well, why DON’T you know enough about it to form an educated opinion and take a stance on the issue?!”
November 21st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Zinn’s not an idiot. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s an Establishment owned historian and he’s not about to bite the hand that feeds him.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
This article makes some great points.
Where does he get off? What’s Zinn going to change, if he doesn’t want to confront the catalyst of every evil action taken by our government?
Zinn is now telling the tales of an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Where are all the REAL JEWS out there like Aaron Russo? Now there was a mensch!
November 21st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
In May 2004, Howard Zinn wrote:
“Democracy requires citizen vigilance, informed debate and official accountability. In that spirit, David Ray Griffin’s book deserves to be widely read.”
http://www.911truth.org/articl.....5170003817
In November 2008, Howard Zinn referring to 9-11 said:
“I don’t know much about the situation and the truth is, I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed”
“there are a lot of people who wasted a huge amount of time working on something that did not have any practical political significance.”
Will the real Howard Zinn please stand up?
November 21st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
What has the anti-war movement ever acheived? Each time there is a war, they throw a fit, disappear and are forgotten.
The 9/11 Truth movement has done more in a few years at identifying perps, motives and means for generating false wars then the anti-war movement has done in generations.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
November 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Isn’t there some inherent “craziness” in saying things like “9/11 is old news, we need to concentrate on issues that actually matter”, when, as this article(and common sense) dictates, so many of these “issues” stem directly from that day? And that excuse has become standard among many on the “left”. I guess my point is this: THIS IS THE FUCKING TWILIGHT-ZONE!
November 21st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
BOOOOOO on Howard Zinn! “Peoples history of US” my ass.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
forgive me but who is he?
and who cares?
i am pretty informed but i never heard of him.
and really what does it matter anyway
if i see the sky is blue i dont need reassurance from some “leader”
that it is blue.
I KNOW IT IS !
so forget this Zin charactor.
remember some guys just get pissed that they are not leading on an issue and decide to re-ride the issue .
i am not one bit pertubed by his comments,i get so many more positive ones and anyway i dont do this for popularity i do it because its right!
November 21st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
i meant to say de-ride the issue
November 21st, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Mike Phillips quoted Zinn “In May 2004, Howard Zinn wrote:
“Democracy requires citizen vigilance, informed debate and official accountability. In that spirit, David Ray Griffin’s book deserves to be widely read.”
Mike, this is because David Ray Griffin promotes Globalism. OK, so it’s not called “New World Order’, but it’s globalism nonetheless. the “left” are being herded in the same direction as the “right”. Will
November 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
If it were his own daughter raped and killed
then he wouldn’t have said the same thing…
What he said is pure arrogance…
If you don’t keep monsters accountable for the MOST MONSTROUS CRIMES ever commited on Earth, then what’s the use of escaping in crammy “practical” issues down the path of “least resistance”?
November 21st, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Americans failed to take action when their own leader was assassinated by these fucks.
Missed the boat.
Americans failed to take action when the towers were demolished.
Missed the boat.
But we do like to buy books, and DVDs, and website subs.. That makes us feel like we are doing something.
Soon these animals will come and take us from our comfy sofas and give us what we deserve for our apathy and failure to act. Then all the endless bleating, analysis, hording and paranoia will show it’s true worth.. ie – ZERO. Our quaint, outdated, oh so progressive religions will count for shit.
Alex Jones and the GCN network – selling us shit while we do nothing.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
In a sense, even though I believe in the 9/11 movement, I think that Zinn is right. What are we to gain from an investigation. It is like asking the warren commission to investigate the JFK assignation? What are we going to gain from the government investigating their own wrongdoing? Plus they are doing many larger crimes in plain sight that the media happily reports on television, but Americans are too dumb to realize the true impact of them.
Right now, it is not a matter of finding out who is lying to who? It is a matter of showing the public the lies (pretty much what the news media suppose to do) in order so they can figure out the rest of the lies themselves. That would bring true reversal of policy. Relying on courts who can barely come together on non-dire circumstances, will have us waiting a long time.
Plus American history is full of wrongful injustice that the people have agreed to sit idly by for the greater good of progress. Does that mean we should be on trial too. My belief is the world is already on trial, and I think our actions in the coming months in whether to allow these insane policies to continue will be the true testament of our judgment rather than trying to reclaim the past.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
what a piece of shit
November 21st, 2008 at 6:37 pm
“he did not care about 9/11 or the fact that it was in the past.”
Eh? And the he’s a historian?!
November 21st, 2008 at 6:50 pm
When you’re that old and pruney you have to live in the NOW… any could be your last breath.
SOB POS
November 21st, 2008 at 7:08 pm
CBfirtuna:
I don’t know how anyone can rationalize what these cretins have done. How does one nuance cold-bloodied murder?
I’m not naive, all leaders make decisions effecting life and death. Even the most benign decisions can carry unintended consequence.
But we’re not talking benign here, or unintended anything. Creatures, masquerading as world leaders, beyond any sane persons understanding, sat down and made long term plans to slaughter, thousands of people. Millions really, Billions actually.
The gulf between a benign leader and what Bush, Cheney and those more important people behind them, is so wide as not to be transversed. And that includes all those smaller demons that physically pulled it off, and those that are covering it up – and that includes Obama, and every one else in government office that is turning a blind-eye to 9/11. This list of criminals includes Ron Paul, Kucinich, Wexler, any and all people in public office that remain silent should be equally charged with complicity of murder.
Let Bush and Cheney off? Are you out of your mind?
These same cretins that murdered 3,000 are about to spring their final solution.
Try to wrap your little mind around this. Very powerful people, in government, industry, business, military, media, civil service, law enforcement, are trying, very successfully, I might add, to kill you.
Buy letting them get away with mass-murder, they have gone on to loot our treasury, strip our nation, of wealth and honor, and are on the verge of driving their last nails in our coffin.
They planned not only 9/11, but to completely imploded our economy. After which, even more mass killings is planned, when untold millions, billions, will die by in an orgy of violence unleashed from anarchy, starvation, pandemics, and God knows what else these Satanist pigs have in store for us.
Question: if a gang of thugs came to your neighborhood, doing home invasions, stealing, raping, murdering and if Zinn said: “ah, just forgetaboutit …”, you’d be okay with that? Right?
In a Zorby poll in 9/2007 – 51% are requesting a new investigation on 9/11. How, in all reason, can not one so-called public servant not stand on the floor of congress and not just say it?
http://www.911truth.org/articl.....6103632686
I can tell you how.
Because they don’t represent us, and they are as evil as evil gets, and if not they are covering for that evil by remaining silent, and in their silence are as guilty, and to keep pretending that anyone in government gives a shit if we live or die, is delusional.
Let them off? A majority of people want an investigation, but democracy, which incompasses justice, means nothing to you, because of some … some what? Greater tyranny?
Not only do we need to put these Satanist scum on trial, we need to root them out by any means necessary. And we need to do it as soon as we can, because I can promise you this, the scum murderous bastard elite, and all their minions, aren’t waiting for one damn thing!
Bush, Cheney, Obama, Biden, and all the rest of these pigs that would be Gods, as long as they roam the Earth, and with every breath they take, until stopped, will keep on murdering us.
But you don’t stop there with your delusion, you mention it’s the “media’s job”, leaving out the logic that if our government could pull off 9/11, that they would also do it only with control of said media. But you’re right in one respect, it is the media’s job, and we now are the media. Or the real media. Not a propaganda machine. So indeed, it is the media’s job and we’re doing it.
Than your twisted logic goes on about what would be gained by a trial?
My short answer would be, ah … I don’t know – justice?
But you somehow deny justice, “for the greater good of progress.”
Could you indulge us with what “good” you gain from justice denied? And what “progress” you are talking about?
In order to stop the insane policies of the “past”, you hold those responsible for those crimes “today”, so they don’t continue to be free to commit more crimes in the “future”, as they surely will by not only letting them free, but as Obama is doing, by keeping them in power.
You’re right the “whole world” is on trial, and they’re looking at us pleading the 5th, as we stand with blood dripping from our hands, and you … you want to tell them to just ignore all that … move on … for the sake of progress …
November 21st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
cbfortuna…your son got squashed by tons of debris…now let it go…
November 21st, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Would he be making this pathetic statement if a member of his family was one of the victims .
I don’t think that he would .If the public takes the attitude that it is counterproductive to try and bring this criminals to justice, then we have just giving the George Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s of the world a blank check to repeat their attacks on the American people at a future date.it may be unlikely that the people responsible for 9/11 will ever be held accountable ,but we can at least enlighten as many people as possible to the true facts of 9/11 and the corruption of the bush administration, we have a congress and senate that has been A.W.O.L. for the last eight years interested only what they can do for themselves and the people that control them.People like Howard Zinn is the best man on there team……………………………………………………..
November 21st, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Why do I get the feeling this guy Zinn is a zionist?
Zionist press fell down and failed the republic after JFK, RFK, and MLK.
Zionist press fell down and failed the Repubic after the USS. Liberty and Gulf of Tonkin.
Zionist press failed to be responsible after 5 Israelis were arrested after dancing, and taking video of the strikes on the Twin towers.
Zionist press failed to report Israel’s illegal operations at Dimona.
Zionist press, tell me who the fkuc do they work for?
Zionist press is the whore with the CIA’s Johnson in their mouth. Exposing this and the house of cards the zionists call Israel come crashing down.
Of course, Zinn promotes something other than 911 because if the truth comes out, his life will become very uncomfortable and his ability to look in the mirror thinking about his legacy will be a painful one.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
“The truth is I don’t think anyone will ever really know what happened on 9/11 just as I don’t think anyone will really know who killed John F. Kennedy, and there are a lot of people who wasted a huge amount of time working on something that did not have any practical political significance.” Said Zinn.
Translation
I pray the truth is never revealed to the public about 911 just like JFK. There were a lot of zionists that spent a huge amount of energy and time covering up JFK to make sure there wasn’t any negative political consequences coming to zionists everywhere and Israel in particular.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Michael Moore, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky = Fake Left.
The elite rule by divide and conquer. They’re not stupid. They know there will be opposition to their moves, so they continuously set up the leadership of that opposition.
The change that needs to happen, needs to happen within the people themselves, NOT from some highly respected “anti-war” guy or “leftist writer” or academy award winning director.
The change will be purely grass roots to begin with, it won’t come from some award winning dude.
That being said, the change that needs to happen is a change in consciousness, and it starts with you – Be the change you want to see! Overcome your illusions of separation from the infinite and let the infinite work through YOU to bring solutions to humankinds problems!
November 21st, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I understand what hes saying about ‘we have enough evidence about what the Bush admin has done, without 9/11′ the trouble is, hes looking at it from the perspective of a professor whos studied this stuff for years and been surrounded by people who have done the same.
He forgets that there are people out there, who genuinely like George Bush, support the war etc the other crimes hes talking about obviously havent gotten through to them its likely that the only thing that can get through to them is 9/11.
Bush’s other crimes SHOULD be enough evidence and for Zinn and us it is, but he needs to recognise that for many out there, its not
November 21st, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Wasting time. That is what this man is doing. If he knew anything he would know that George Bush and his admin are merely following orders. Just as Barack Obama will be.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:56 pm
ZIONIST WORLD ORDER GET A LIFE AND STOP SPAMMING THE SAME COMMENTS IN EVERY STORY
Someone should tell that Zinn douche bag that the truth is not always practical but that doesnt mean its not important
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:01 am
Yahoo article promotes the Islamic boogie man propaganda mentions “THE NEW WORLD ORDER”
Original link in full
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....W1QbcSq594
“The prospect that al-Qaida will be among the small number of groups able to transcend the generational timeline is not high, given its harsh ideology, unachievable strategic objectives and inability to become a mass movement,” the report states.
The report forecasts a geopolitical rise in non-Arab Muslim states outside of the Middle East, including Turkey and Indonesia, and says Iran could also be a central player in a new world order if it sheds its theocracy.
The report, a year in the making, also suggests the world may complete its move away from its dependence on oil, and that the U.S. dollar, while remaining important, will decline to “first among equals” among other national currencies.
U.S. global power also will likely decline, as Americans’ concerns about putting resources into solving domestic problems may cause the United States to pull resources from foreign and global problems.”
___
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 am
Hey Zionist World Order—-pretty good stuff. Where did you get that info? On some website? If so, whats the website? I want to investigate this further—it’s interesting. What does all this mean for America in your humble opinion?
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 am
Michael Moore, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky = Fake Left.
The marijuana party is the only party we can trust besides the personal integrity of C. MaKenny.
This is the opportunity to take back the left from the fake liberials and the coffee house liberials who are now out of work.
People have a way of understanding when it effects them.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 am
Yes, Zinn is part of the Jewish tribe, as is Chomsky; both of whom do not want us to publicize that Israel is our dictator. Watson is right about why the truth should be told about who did 9/11. Thanks for this report.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:55 am
Is it possible to convince AJ to be quiet and let his GUESTS and Callers speak without CONSTANTLY interrupting them.? I know him and he does a good job but he does not know everything and other PATRIOTS besides himself have VOLUMES of info and PERSPECTIVE on this fight! BTW I don’t need you worshipers of A.J. to come to his defense or talk a bunch of sh?T. He uses foul language like crazy and then chastises his callers and bans them from the show until another day, WTF is that about? In addition, It is as much OUR show ( those who fund him ) as it is his unless it is just a business for him which I know him and I know better than that! We need to here the Guests and Callers. I mean why have them on the show if you will not let them speak. Your in my prayers ALEX, Sincerely.
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:14 am
zinn is right. read his books. The revolution was well warranted before 911. Crimes are crimes. we all know what happened. we keep waiting and waiting for someone to tell us it’s ok to storm caesar’s palace. Listen to what he said. “I believe there are certain things that happen in history and certainly questions that are asked that divert us from the important things that we have to do at hand” You know that 911 was an inside job and the powers that be are orchestrating the world as they so choose. Its been that way for quite a long time. As long as there is a “left” and “right” the Puppet masters will be able to do what ever they want. How ’bout…” Chop their heads off and spit on their decapitated corpses!!” It kind of makes 8 years of evil bush II seem trivial if not expected. A historian like Zinn could tell you that.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 am
Perhaps it hasn’t occurred to Mr. Zinn that nobody really gives a shit what he thinks anyway.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:42 am
http://intwain.wordpress.com/2.....ts-to-911/
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:42 am
This article contradicts itself at the end …..if you say about Zinn..”HE who is politically insignificant.”
WHY WRITE ABOUT HIM????
In the end the Zinn guy is right…rather than the empty emotinal preaching to the converted comments …the issue is WHEN ARE YOU GONNA THROW DOWN ..WHY AND WHAT ARE YOU THROWING…
Why did PRISON PLANET not write a piece about how to spread the 9/11 or FREEDOM MOVEMENT info wider and use Zinn as a footnote example of Left gate keeping????
Sorry folks thus far you remain a mob lead by the loudest screamers not an effective movement…working at countering the enemy…If ALEX advocates buying guns…WHY doesnt he also promote starting a public banking system that excludes the NWO…
The LEFT never created an alternative economy to capitalism and just watched as it ripped apart the THIRD WORLD….this NWO stuff is new to you but old in the rest of the world….You are pretending to fight back but what impact are you really making????? because your are the very consumers that keep it going….
After a while when you look at the articles 99.8% CONJECTURE and SPECULATIVE FEARMONGERING and THEY ARE COMING TO GET US !!!!! and just 0.2% practical solutions where you live to inform and empower your community without alienating people ..you see a political cause thats Bullhorning evil …and pointing at it….but not really fighting it.
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:04 am
I wonder if Zinn would feel it “politically insignificant” or worth ’spending siginifcant amounts of time on’ if it was his son or daughter who was killed in the Twin Towers?
That’s the problem with these so-called ‘intellectuals’. They only consider it worth spending time on if it fits in with their agenda, i.e. bolstering their image as being politically relevant. Not only are they (Zinn, Chomsy) intellectual cowards but intellectual elitists as well.
And for those who say ‘Zinn’s right because it doesn’t matter. We don’t need to now who committed 911 in order for a revolution’ I say you’re being shortsighted. People won’t revolt now because we don’t have the critical mass to do so. BUT, if people like Zinn and Chomsy (who have vast numbers os sheep following them) would say, “yes, I think it’s quite possible that the US govt perpetrated 911 and we should investigate it” then we may just get enough people to open their eyes so as to have the critical mass to change things.
If Zinn really cares about the people of the US he DEFINITLEY would not be trying to supress what happened but would be all for investigating the govt’s role. It would be his first priority.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
Zinn…Lower than whale sh++. Worthless subhuman breathing good air.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:08 am
Zinn is in bed with the bastards. The scam is that certain luminaries are out there getting attention for themselves – enriching themselves – while diverting the attention of Americans from the most important issues. If 911 isn’t the most important issue in the last 40 years – I don’t know what is. As you so aptly put it in the above – without 911, we wouldn’t have most of the problems we are facing right now. It is good Zinn came out this way because we now know him for what he is – a traitor. Another that should be hung in the street by a lampost.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 am
It sounds to me like Yes Zinn had allegiance to his Zionist Handlers. Even if he wanted to speak out about the truth behind 9/11, he probbably couldn’nt .
So this absurd statement “I don’t know much about the situation and the truth is, I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed” is his way of telling the world that he’s “against the terrorists” . He’s covering his ass, and most likely they will reward him for it.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:43 am
It does not take a genius to see what all the phoney “gatekeepers” have in common, such as Zinn, Chomsky, Goodman: they are jews. Are all jews evil zionists? No, of course not. Are all jews in positions of power or at least on TV evil zionists. Some yes, and the rest are “convinced” somehow or another regardless of what may be in their hearts, so in the end it doesn’t matter to us goys. This is not anti-semitic, as essentially all zionist jews (real or convinced) are of Ashkenazi / Khazar origins and not from the Middle East, and thus not semites, and thus not the original Biblical tribes. To loath Zionism and the policies of Israel is a political position (and indeed common human sense and decency), not racism, regardless of how the ADL or State Department spin it. This is why you see the Sephardic jews getting more vocal against the zionists and Israel also.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 am
It is astonishing for Messers Chomsky and Zinn to casually dismiss the centrality of the of the 911 attacks to the unfolding global nightmare – the cowardly murder of over 3000 defenceless Americans, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the consequent wholesale slaughter of millions of innocent inhabitants, the effective transition to a quasi-police state, as irrelevant and of no significant political consequence….Could it be that these bastions of global truth and justice are mindful of the incalculable backlash that might follow revelations implicating Israeli complicity in and instigation of the attacks…..
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:00 am
I will also add that all of us non-jews should realise that if any of us would be vaulted into positions of power or fame “accidentally” for some reason, that 99% of us would become shills very quickly also (due to their various methods of persuasion, including tech), so let’s not be too arrogant and pass judgement. Ron Paul would fall into this category. Those who don’t become shills die, even if they are jews; Aaron Russon and Peter Jennings would fall into this latter category. It would be wise to also look at the “truth movement” more critically. For example, the Loose Change boys are both jews who “came out of nowhere”. Yeah right. Makes me think of the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination. Also a jew. Even Alex Jones is married to a jew. Surprise! For 1.7% of the American population or so, their control and influence is now beyond completely ridiculous.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:11 am
Another way of undermining the truth is to include it on the same page as complete bullshit like ‘water-powered cars’ etc. Alex Jones really needs a science guy to vet some of this stuff because when total shit gets into the mix it really eats into the credibility of the whole package.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 am
“Falco”: I’ve physically been in a “water powered car”, although it obviously wasn’t burning the water directly as fuel. The water has to be turned into it’s “4th state”, which is plasma or also called “Brown’s Gas” and is incredible. This is fact, and doesn’t require as much “tech” as you might assume. So, try to understand something before labelling it as BS, please, or else the close mindedness that you exhibit starts to reduce credibility. Water plasma can be used entirely (as in a “Joe Cell”) or just partially to run a combustion engine, depending on your wants and needs. Many people have been hurt or died in relation to this, so I suspect the same “zionist” forces are involved naturally.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 am
Finally, for all to see, Ol’ Commie Bastard has proved his ignorance and his irrelevance… and his red cold-heartedness, too.
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Dr F
The problem with your ‘water-powered car’ is the inescapable symmetry of chemical reactions. Turning the water into a plasma in the first place requires the same amount of energy that you get back when the oxygen and hydrogen are recombined, more in fact because of the inescapable inefficency of all of these processes. What you are describing is a variant of the hydrogen fuel cell, with the water being split into its component parts by some sort of battery or generator and then being burned in a modified internal combustion engine, the water is not the actual source of energy at all. Would you describe a steam engine as ‘water-powered’? No you would not! because it is not the real source of the power at all.
The other system that you are describing, where surplus battery power is used to electrolyse water, which is then used as part of the engines fuel, is real enough and can, at least in theory, increase the fuel efficiency of a car, but note, even here the water is in no realistic sense the source of power.
I called water-powered cars’ bullshit, and bullshit it is!
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Hey Bom Towers, your website sucks anyway.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Dr. F,
The problem here is a power elite, certain blood lines, run the show. It’s ‘completely rediculous’ to lump in all jews into this. The fact is the Vatican and the royal families are all a part of this corrupt scam as well. That being said, the leadership is indeed Zionist scum. However, most jews are NOT zionist. Sure, a lot of them are mind controlled, but so is most of the entire population of the world right now!!!! So chill out on pointing fingers.
Ron Paul is doing his best, Alex Jones is doing his best, and both have made, and continue to make a massive positive difference in the truth movement. No human being is perfect – so stop judging others and do something positive yourself!!!!!
Keep up the wonderful dedication of your entire being Alex Jones!
Get positive and do something useful Dr. F and the naysayers like you!!!
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I love it when people like Tom Bowers get their panties in a tizzy and call us all sorts of tired and cliche’ names like ‘tin foil hat wearers’… It seems that Tom and those like him just can’t stay away from the truth because they always visit this site! Face it Tom…you are desperate and pathetic.
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I really dislike and disagree with calling Zinn, for example, “lower than whales__t”. I completely disagree with his position on 9/11 but I don’t think it is so easy to ascribe motives to him. It may be that he is influenced by other 9/11 truth deniers, some of whom are zionists, but it is racist to say that because he is jewish, he therefore holds this or that opinion. Zinn’s books and talks have done a lot of good. His alternative slant on US history made it into my daughter’s high school American History class, and it was the only book like that that she read.
It’s a real case of “throwing the baby out with the bath water” to make a blanket condemnation of Zinn, no matter how mistaken or, perhaps, even intentionally falsely speaking he may be about 9/11. The solution to stopping these gate-keepers, if there is one, can’t be to just ladle abuse and hate on them. In practical terms, such messages make me not want to send the link to this page to my still-unconvinced acquaintances, because I’m afraid the blog replies would convince them that we’re all just a bunch of jew haters and can’t discourse civilly about our opponents, and until I read them I was set to send it to half a dozen people. Of course, I can still copy the article and stick it into email but that’s harder and not as good.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Howard & Noam are American heroes. 9/11 is a distraction from more urgent things that need addressing. 9/11 buffs serve the power elite because they are shifting the focus from the crimes those elite are currently partaking of. In a nutshell, you are unwitting tools…
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Well, I notice in the above photo that Viggo Mortensen and Josh Brollen were there as well. I hope these 2 dudes don’t share Zinn’s opinion.
If that’s the case, I would make it a point not to see either of there movies again.
9/11 bears extreme relevance to everything this country has done, is doing, and will do.
If Zinn wants to dismiss people who want to get to the bottom of 9/11 as fanatics, then I say Zinn can go fuck himself.
The lies of 9/11 have the United States of America in a state of mass delusion. A national awakening has the potential to turn everything that is fucked in America around as well as put murderers, who will murder again, behind bars. What’s more important than that?
If Zinn is such a pompous fuckhead, who can’t recognize the relevance, then I say he’s complicit in the cover up.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pm
mr_bad and all of his ilk. Welcome to my flock of fools – the numbers are swelling rapidly. You will wear the mark – in fact, you will all beg for it by the time we are done with you.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Why is asking for a proper criminal homicide investigation be done like it was supposed to have been done in the first place considered proof that one is a “fanatic”?
The events of 9/11 happened in ways that completely contradicted the laws of physics… And what? We weren’t supposed to notice that? And we’re considered crazy because we did notice?
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:14 pm
No – you are fanatic because you are fanatical.
You KNOW what happened – and what do you do about it? Whine to a willfully deaf and blind government infrastructire about it.
You are fanatical becasue instead of doing what must be done in response to such a heinous act, you buy DVDs and hide behind your TV sets while the devils run amok in this world.
Here – buy these dried apples – they stop bullets and bombs.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Let it be remembered that the reputation one as gained by doing ten thousand thousand billion acts of goodness can be completely evaporated away by doing one single act of evilness.
The past has come and gone. What is the now?
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:22 pm
“The past has come and gone. What is the now?”
And that, in essence, is Zinn’s point exactly.
Careful, Steve, you are in danger of escaping from my flock of doom.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Without 9/11 there would be no “war on terror”.
Without 9/11 there would be no “clash of civilizations”
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Afghanistan.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iraq.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iran.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in… (insert any country classified as part of the “axis of evil” or defined as being “with the terrorists”)
Without 9/11 thousands of U.S. troops would not have been sent to their deaths.
Without 9/11 hundreds of thousands of citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan would not have been sentenced to their deaths.
Without 9/11 there would be no inaction on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
Without 9/11 there would be no civilian contractors in Iraq and the scandal that has followed them would have been averted.
Without 9/11 there would be no false military reporting (Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch), and no crack down on the freedom of the press (banning photographing the returning coffins).
Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act.
Without 9/11 there would be no NSA warrantless wiretapping program.
Without 9/11 there would be no Camp Delta and no Camp X-ray at Guantanamo Bay.
Without 9/11 there would be no Military Commissions Act and no coordinated program of extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention and torture of those defined as “enemy combatants”.
Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in secrecy and complete militarization of intelligence under the newly created office of the Director of National Intelligence.
Without 9/11 there would not be thousands of dead and dying emergency workers who are suffering crippling and fatal respiratory illnesses.
Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in military and security spending that goes arm in arm with huge cutbacks in other key social programs (such as levees in New Orleans).
Without 9/11 there would have been no total abandonment of fiscal restraint, which has contributed to plunging the nation into an abyss of debt and looks likely to tip the world into a deep recession if not a complete depression.
And on and on and on.
AND ^^THAT^^ FOLKS IS WHAT WE IN THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT CALL FANATICISM.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:14 pm
The common denominator with these people is they are all Zionists.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:24 pm
I agree the focus needs to be on the Now. The Now is consciousness. The more we move beyond fear and the need to point the finger and say someone else is the cause of all of our problems, the better this earth is going to become.
Yes, 9/11 is an inside job, but why should that be the focus? The focus needs to be what are you going to do about it? The answer is to realize that the whole entire version of ‘reality’ is a scam. We’ve been scammed for centuries, millenia! The answer is to raise your consciousness, overcome your own issues, and seek the kingdom of heaven that is inside of you (enlightenment).
We are all connected, so when you raise your consciousness, it makes a big positive impact on the world around you.
Those who want to fight the dragon become the dragon. It is time to move beyond the matrix and into the reality of the Oneness of all life.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:25 pm
unfortunately for zinn, he may dismiss the truth behind the deaths of 3,000 people as irrelevent, but millions of same people will never rest until the truth is uncovered. if seeking justice for this mass murder is fanatic, then that word has just taken on a new, noble meaning.
and even if zinn will, let it be known that the world speaks as one when it says:
WE WILL NEVER FORGET….NO MATTER HOW DESPERATELY A FEW WISH WE WOULD.
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Look at the THEN to NOW. Or look at the NOW to THEN. 9/11 will always be a catalysis for the NOW and TOMORROW. Don’t let the THEN consume, but don’t set it aside. Multitasking is still permitted. The THEN, NOW and TOMORROW are related. They may travel different routs but they connect to the same hub.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:03 pm
9/11 TRUTH WIND BAGS..please.GET A GRIP…..
I believe it was bombs but the issue is FOLLOW YOUR OWN CRACK POT LOGIC…..You want WHO to investigate or acknowledge 9/11?????? The very GOVERNMENT and NWO media you claim are corrupt ..the very mass you constantly call sheeple?????………..In history where have high level criminals EVER punnished themselves….the answer is NEVER so whats the noise about if you have no system of giving out justice as FREE CITIZENS
The bigger issue is the quality of OUTPUT by the so called FREEDOM MOVEMENT…separating the real work from the whackjobs
You dont like the state because of tyranny THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE says get off your behind and start a new one….
Whining about THEIR LIES or THEY RE COMING TO GET US and preaching to the converted on a blog over and over and OVER…promoting the end of the world without impacting in any way the real world….beyond promoting git ur ghun hide in the hills survival nonsense BEFORE any tyranny is consolidated…FREEZING people with constant fear mongering broadcastes…that offer no real world solutions…
After a while the TRUTH used wrong over and over means paralysis you are free but still NEVER question the style and method of the people at the pulpit preaching…….YET HOW HAVE YOU ACTUALLY CHALLENGED ANYTHING FOR ALL THE TRUTH FED TO YOU??????
.If you dont have your own BANKING SYSTEM or real ALTERNATIVES by end 2009 then you dont take this as seriously as you claim
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Democratic World Federalists in San Francisco invited David Ray Griffin to speak a few years ago on 9/11. Griffin’s analysis seems hard if not impossible to refute, and represents the type of (new) leadership now needed. Both Zinn and Chomsky, by not understanding the real significance of 9/11, have taken a back seat in the underlying dynamic of what some have termed “deep politics.”
It is important to know who was involved in this murderous, covert operation because we are dealing with a small but powerful group of sociopaths whose ideology and purpose will inevitably lead to even more death and destruction if they are not identified, and brought to justice.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Dr. Roger Kotila:
I agree with you entirely, David Ray Griffin is the man for the job. Griffin is very academically correct, never goes beyond stuff that he can back up and has excellent debating skills.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 pm
what’s 911? I was sick that day.
http://www.shatteredelbow.com
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 am
In response to Zinn’s remarks, “It’s in the past, and I don’t care”; lets go a step further with that flawed logic: The extermination of millions of Jews by Hitler is in the past, therefor unimportant. I can’t believe he had the audacity to think or say those things. Would he say that to the families of those murdered, or the brave first responders who died and are dying every day. It’s that cold hearted thinking that allows this kind of mass murder to go on. Those who have taken the time to really investigate the events of 911, know that the 911 Commission Report is a fraud, just as the Warren Report on JFK. These could well be the final days as the Bible talks about, because evil is running rampant on planet earth. Hang on to your bibles and guns folks, the last battle could be starting. God Bless you all.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:10 am
As an historian Mr. Zinn has just recast himself, his historiography, his allegiances and his life’s work as distant from any search for the truth. As his life’s work has been discrediting American history we must now question his motives. Paradoxically, honest historians have been persecuted while Mr. Zinn has been praised.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 am
Ron Heringhauser should examine the work of the Australian team of electronics experts who, using ground penetrating radar, found no evidence of disturbed earth at Treblinka (rense.com) to show mass/any Jewish graves. Thats nearly a million mssing bodies. No I am not an anti-semite I am a Jew whose mother lost all and father lost some. I have a right to find out what happened to our families The truth does not fear investigation. Maybe thats why Zinn doesnt mention in history, in case any embarassing Qs came up.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:07 am
9-11 NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED , ON HOW SUPPOSEABLY , 19 TERRORIST DEFEATED A NEARLY TRILLION DOLLAR MILITARY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND OF THE 19 ABOVE THAT DIES ON 9-11 , 7 ARE STILL ALIVE , HELLO , NOW SOMETHING DOESN’T ADD UP HERE FOLKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:52 am
What he means is, the government will never investigates itself properly, so it’s kind of meaningless to scream ‘investigate 911!’ in the wilderness; you can believe there’s something fishy about 911 and take action without waiting for someone to get to the truth. You will never get the whole truth, because never will the culprit authorize a full disclosure. This is the kind of secret the participants take to the tomb, and if they recant on their death bed, it’s usually too late to do something about it. And you don’t need to prove 911 is an inside job to say that all they did since is illegal, since you have the constitution as a legal argument.
Better yet, you could use a martial art technique of ‘using your adversary’s momentum again’st him’. For example, if the government version of 911 is all true, then every tall corporate building needs to be reinforced(the corporate entity needs to defray the costs) to support at least 4 commercial airliner crashes, because you never know. Also, since Saudis were the supposed hijacker, the US government must start an embargo on Saudi Arabia, not buying any of it’s products anymore etc..
November 24th, 2008 at 9:29 am
barack…… ck—-arab……….. barack backwars…… is arab………….
hussain—— arab…………..
obama……… and osama are arab………………
iraq might be free……
November 25th, 2008 at 8:33 am
One should never see 9/11 as an isolated issue, rather see it from its total perspective. Way before 9/11 the population was being mentally prepared with smaller issues like Y2K. Like wise the present tsunami of Financial Crisis or the WMD of Financial crisi was preceeded by smaller issues like Enron, WorldCom, etc. What intrigues one is the persistency of the crooks and the Blissful Ignorance of the Mass. Please read a book titled: “Mass Hysteria” and then see that the crooks were there in every age to create large scale distraction so that they can fish in muddy water. Therefore there should be a through investigation of 9/11 so that the man in the street is made aware of the crooks that talk the sweet talk and rob our right of franchise via rigging elections in the so called democratic, civilized world and keep on pointing fingers to the 3rd world as the only escape goat for all their mis-deeds. In this day of communications super highway the mass can be informed much faster than Kenndey Murder days and the hegemony that is going on and on for the last 40 plus years.
November 25th, 2008 at 9:21 am
I do not agree with Mr.Zinn stating that it doesn’t matter what happened on 9/11 because 9/11 is everything to do with todays situation. However, I must say that I have read “A Power Governments Cannot Suppress” by Zinn. I was very impressed on his ideas of Patriotism, the difference between real patriotism and blind obedience. Mr.Zinn calls for civil disobedience against the powers that be. I don’t think that he completely disregards 9/11 as insignificant, he has said that 9/11 was exploited to bring war as were other events like Pearl Harbor in the past. I don’t know why he would say that he doesn’t care I think that he is just not trying to focus on it, we know that the story doesn’t match and we know the government is out of control now we have to fight it.
I personally support 9/11 truth, we need everyone to know who the real criminals are. We need to remind people why the founders didn’t trust government
November 25th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Zinn spoke a good amount about the constitution and acts of dissent against oppressive government. My favorite quote from him “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism”. He put out valuable information on court cases that most people don’t know about where soliders can get out of service on constitutional grounds, people need to know this information!
November 25th, 2008 at 11:07 am
anyone who calls chomsky an “intellectual coward” is a total clown.
chomsky created all the formative work that allows pions like watson to do what they do…
what chomsky and numerous academics are saying is, “don’t worry about a huge distracting event that we’re never going to get to the bottom of.” there’s a million other obvious things in gov’t and policy that don’t have the drama and emotional baggage attached that you could be going after. harping on 9/11 only is like only using your TV to tune into OJ trials…
there’s plenty of other easy evidence that people can approach level-headed without conjecture that proves many of the “truth” acitivists points much easier. if watson actually listened to what zinn instead of just getting bent out of shape at the notion that “9/11 isn’t important” he’d realize that zinn’s perspective is a bigger, broader and more attainable “truth” goal than 9/11 will ever be.
he compared 9/11 to kennedy because they’re both massive trails that a government wants you to get distracted with because of it’s inherent narrative “wow” factor.
most of the same points people are trying to tie together through 9/11 can be brought together in much more susinct ways with less conjecture if you acutally avoid discussing 9/11.
November 25th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Its quite easy to see who was behind it. Read your bible, Read the quran and compare/contrast prophecy, read isolated cultures prophecy, then…go to you tube, educate yourself on some masonic coincidences that are pointed out in these videos..the four horseman are all different colors..masons are all around the world, and are linked to occultism and politics..go figure. Its not much of a question where at the least the events of today have been hatched. Not all masons are bad, but im sure they unquestioningly go along alot with the higher degrees. Just because they buried the surface evidence, doesnt mean that coincidence doesnt speak volumes. You will eventually find that the magick mushroom is a recurring hidden theme in logos and symbols of the world, this relates to masonry and rituals, yet we the average morons can get in trouble for using or having these..yet masons influence again..politics and laws. Even though they “say” they dont. i just see murder and hypocrisy with the worlds power structures, and the smirking mockery by these childish fools is sickening.
http://www.thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.com
“color world of different colors, no chance, to rectify, nightmare running races skywards, spoiled tower, blackwater tea.” SKINNY PUPPY lyrics before 9-11.. is this band visionary?
November 26th, 2008 at 11:51 am
OK then what do we go after instead. You can’t now because oh shit everything has been outlawed because of 911. If the public wake up to 911 then they may not take everything else lying down. Does Zinn think we should move on from the crimes of the Fed as well. And what about the next false flag operation, at what point do we stop caring about that, or should we just harp on about Trotsky or Marx or the struggle of the Anarchists during the civil war. I think we have to drop the Left Right thing. Its that that is the distraction now. All these labels divide us. I personally think that if they can get away with 911 then we might as well bend over and let them get on with it. George Monbiot is another one caught up in all that red tape. Who is funding these guys anyway.?
November 26th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
This is a classic example of people taking someone’s words out of context…..if you listen to his painful explanations, he simply says that the Bush regime is guilty of many things and that people overextend their focus on only the nine eleven question….while there are many things to look at….he is not saying that the 9/11 question is unimportant, but that the lies are difficult to untangle, so lets look at other things as well…..i do not see him as an opponent of the truth, but as a pragmatic patriot with brilliant ideas, but some people,like him, write books much better than they speak, so do not confuse a lack of charisma with a brilliant mind.
November 27th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Blah blah blan Steve Watson — you talk of exposing the truth of 911 and being righteous and virtuous in the face of corruption, yet you continue to cover up the truth, the REAL truth about 911 when you continue to ridicule those who KNOW there were no planes on 911; only fabricated images of planes doing things are literally physically impossible. We know you’re a liar and anyone with an Internet connection can discover there were no planes on 911. And millions already have.
Watch the latest edition of ‘September Clues’ and use discretion when reading Watson’s world.
http://www.google.com/search?h.....mber+clues
November 28th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
this guy EZ says there were no planes and watch sept clues.thats the biggest crock of crap out there.i worked at 33 maiden lane and watched the south tower get hit.HOW DARE YOU SAY NO PLANES HIT THE TROWERS!
January 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 am
I think he is correct. As much as I understand and agree with the 911 movement’s position of what happened on 911. I agree with his perspective that the Bush administration has committed enough crimes to be investigated and prosecuted, without bringing up 911. So that in an investigation of the Bush administration minus 911, would lay groundwork that would allow the mainstream public to see how possible it is for “the bush admin” to pull off with a clear motivation an event such as 911.
You see, you almost have to drop the very touchy subject to get to the goal. Prove the guilt and fraud of the people with clear and obvious crimes. Then once the vale has been lifted will the people see game for what it is.
“Choose your battles”
January 27th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Howard Zinn is an idiot!
What I wouldn’t give for a few hours with this ( I REALLY STRESS THIS ) !! IDIOT !!
I am so pissed off I’m shaking.
I am afraid I would have to pop him right in the nose.
January 27th, 2009 at 6:58 am
danny boy Says:
Bush administration has committed enough crimes to be investigated and prosecuted, without bringing up 911.
_______________________________________________________________________________
The world is full of them.
That is exactly why we have lost our Country.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Thank you for sharing.